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@SQAAD Well Leo also said to go by personal experiences. All of mine have been extremely Vedic, which is that all is Brahman, but they do have an "Atman". Atman IS Brahman. Brahman is without attribute. Buddhist "Sunyata" yes, and the obvious changing of all form including all forms which constitute my ego. But very heavily Vedic... I find Rupert Spira's discussions are closer to helping me relive and understand what I experienced. I find Leo's discussions to get to me more on an intellectual level. I definitely identify when he talks about nothingness though. I wonder what your own experiences tell you?

Yup words in any scenario are only descriptors. No blind person has seen red by hearing descriptions of it. Or experienced riding a rollercoaster by hearing about it. A strange guru spin is usually put on this to make it seem purposefully confusing, so by extension the guru can feel "wise" or w.e. Or to make it seem like this is some thing way outside of you that only they, as the master sages they are, are in contact with... Even the most ego-veiled beings are experiencing beingness. All appearances are a modulation of beingness. Blah.

Welcome to the billion dollar self help industry. Tony Robbins: "Hey guys welcome to my seminar-" Random Fan: "-OMG MY LIFE IS ALREADY CHANGED! THANK YOU TONY! TAKE MY $100,000!" Lol. As a marketer myself, I think Leo would get better conversions by offering an upsell. Get the suckers in with something like, $247. Then the mega advanced "THIS IS IT" final awakeing super saiyan deluxe upsell for $697. He'd capture leads from the first sale which he could hammer with an autoresponder with advertisements for the deluxe upsell.

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My grandma died in agony BUT at peace with death. She said the day she died that she had a dream, when asked what about, she said the crucifix, and giggled. Then fell back into delirium. But apart from that the death itself was okay for her. My mom died okay except for great distress over me, as I was at the time 14. I did not see this my grandpa was the only one with her. My uncle just collapsed dead. Got up to go lie down in bed and just died on the spot. No time for freaking out just done. I myself almost died twice. The first with meningitis as a child. The second blackout down a flight of escalators. In both cases it was sudden and I would not have known if I just straight up died. With meningitis the moment of panic was so brief and my main focus was on quicklg calling out goodbye to my family. You can also search AskReddit for many many stories from nurses and hospital staff. SOME patients freak out, but many really don't. Or just drop dead so suddenly they can't even react.

@WokeBloke Just that the objection to it being a dream usually revolves around ideas of control, limitation, etc. You aren't really controlling your mind or body. If really inspected, your own thoughts, desires, and actions are also just unfolding. You don't choose a thought before you think it. It's just the same chaotic neverending creation process. The only discernible difference between a dream and reality is that. Otherwise, assumptions about "thing-ness" (i.e. some sort of material "substance") existing without perception are demonstrably false and impossible. There's even a qualified neuroscientist on YouTube (Dr. James Cooke) who uses 5-MeO-DMT and such, and does mention the same. It's not just mysticism but a clear and obvious fact... If you start with the obvious that in a world where every creature is blind, the phenomenalogical quality of "red" just does not exist. The visual phenomena of shape etc. does not exist. ALL forms are perception. You might think of the "noumenal" world, like Plato's cave. But you would not say that world made of - for example mathematics - is made of little "math-atoms". Math is not a tangible "thing". The real world is exactly "like" what you would perceive if blind and deaf etc. Because being "like" something is reliant on perception. The way things REALLY look outside of perception is like nothing. It sounds like nothing. Tastes like nothing. Etc... No substance. Or think of high school biology. How does sight work? Photons enter your eyes, your brain converts it to an image, and you see the image. You only ever interact and experience the hallucinations of your own brain. Which is exactly what a dream is...

You the self has no control over this, nor does it have access to everything. Leo is presently teaching in a WEIRD and confusing manner, but you see how he says in the newest video that "reality is just unfolding and he's riding the wave"... Well that is it, the sense of control is false. Reality is just unfolding. That is something he is acknowledging, yet teaching what to me feels like a desire-based idea. As opposed to the chaotic and unstoppable force of pure spontaneous creation... You literally cannot STOP creating. Try it. Even as a "self". See the moment you stop creating (random thoughts, images, sounds) you cease to be conscious. That is how it looks from the outside. First person, you never experience a break in this non-stop manic creation. When people talk about dropping concepts etc, really it's just this fancy bizarre "guru" way of explaining the obvious fact that describing what seeing red looks like will never be the experience of seeing red. You don't experience riding a rollercoaster by hearing about it. It's nothing more confusing or mystical than that... The "mystical experience" is a state one enters, and words to describe that state, just like ANYTHING ELSE like describing riding a coaster, is not going to be the state itself.

A lot of people manage to make it to the end of a pretty normal existence, and pass without event. That's probably ideal. In ancient Asia, living conditions were probably appalling and trash, and "spirituality" was part of culture. If a man went and meditated in a cave for a few months he'd have a bunch of followers. Now such a person could not really connect with an everyday person. You can't really understand people's egoic desires etc. and thus can't connect with them. It feels weird as fuck. Probably is why monks actually go and live in isolation in the mountains or whatever. I doubt it's possible to be completely dissolved into "there" and still be functional. For a monk even, they are as "there" as a random murderer. "There" removes all aspects of selfhood such that anything remaining is equal; any element of selfhood like being a spiritual leader, murderous dictator, whatever else, is literally gone. Completely and totally gone. And of course when the entire mask is gone, the same exact "being-ness" remains, unadulterated by self. I can't imagine being in a state like that and like, pumping iron at the gym, getting stylish haircuts, chatting up women at bars, discussing sports cars, etc. Lol. I mean I can't really imagine even reading books or whatever other "peaceful" activity. But our societies are built around commercialism and ego.

Yeah, I mean it would take half a second to clear the difference, as you did just now. It was quite horrible for me during some periods. NOTHING worse than the two bad DMT trips I had, but horrifying revelations. I immediately escaped back into reality via some Netflix. After the trip which caused me to research monism, I was "out of it" for quite a while. That was unpleasant indeed, there is nothing nice about feeling one with random cars passing by and such. The fact is, this society is not crafted in such a way to where you can live in that mode in harmony. The way society is set up creates an extreme juxtaposition between an "enlightened" mode of being, and functioning within that society. You simply cannot function in normal modern society sitting around in a circle meditating all day. You cannot connect with any of your peers (AKA, as you would say, other elements of yourself). It was probably different in ancient Asia. The Gorillaz song "Feel Good Inc" is actually about that. The floating island represents "real" happiness, and everyone is stuck in the hedonist tower of quick dopamine surges from sex and drugs etc.

@Yoremo No, I'm not of the mindset of the type of people who fall into traps. I don't believe in self help. As said previously it's like selling water by the river... And the buyer market within that industry is very predictable. You know, attending seminars, "The Power of Now" and "Winning Friends and Influencing People" on their bookcase. Probably natty lifting, meditating, doesn't believe in drinking alcohol, might be wary of even drinking caffeine. You can build up a great prototype of a self help industry "mark".

@Yoremo This channel will explain better than me: https://m.youtube.com/c/JamesJani/videos I don't sell products within this industry, but as said I literally sell online courses as a career. I make a full time income... Really the weight loss industry is more lucrative than any of this, but also insanely competitive. Anybody with a serious problem is in what's called a "desperate market". Fat people who want to be thin and beautiful, men losing their hair wanting to grow it back. Many examples. In a desperate market people are willing to pay big bucks for a solution, because as said they are desperate.

See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmLTLkCBSN8 Really, many videos from that channel. I guess this guy was a "mark" previously. I understand this industry well, I've seen Owen Cook have people PAY to WORK FOR HIM. And they thank him for the opportunity. These are cult member type cattle-people. It's such an oddity. PUA = SCAM. Self help = SCAM. Get rich quick = SCAM. Law of Attraction = SCAM.

Literally equivalent to the people who watch Tony Robbins talk about nothing and then claim "omg my life is transformed, thank you Tony!" People get a dopamine surge from watching some video or reading some book, and think everything is changed for them now. Until the next book or video comes out: "This NEW course is the ACTUAL answer!" It's an insane grift and I cannot even comprehend the psychology involved in the people who fall for it. All failure is placed upon the student (not trying hard enough, not believing hard enough, etc). It's the same people targeted by the Law of Attraction SCAM industry. The psychology of these people is such that even a giant sign saying "THIS IS A SCAM" would not deter them. It's unsettling.

That is not the same as what Leo preaches. For Leo you can't see. You're just a prop, he could stab you and it's like stabbing the ground, no pain happens period. Only if he, Leo, is stabbed, does pain happen. It's so easy to see the difference, between all experience being within your mind, vs the experience had by you being the end of... The only way to not see the obvious difference in stance is to purposefully play with words, when what is being said is so blatant. Basically mix and matching absolute and relative terms to be manipulative. "All experience IS had by you!" "You? I didn't mean you, I meant you!"

No... Only "marks" buy into self help. Anyone with a copy of "how to win friends" on their bookshelf is a certified mark.

Yep you understand exactly what I mean now. Leo does not believe your dad, even relatively speaking, has experience. Not just that your dad's experience is inside your own mind, but that he straight up doesn't have one and neither do you. That ONLY Leo does.

I actually own an online course and make a good full-time living from it. My course is totally unrelated to spirituality, and I work with someone who has university credentials professional accreditations in that field. This particular field (all aspects of self help) is mostly scummy con artistry. It's like RSD or Tai Lopez type shit. You get the most desperate "marks" following people like that. I don't understand the psychology of said marks, but they're like cult member types who never achieve anything ever, and just claim every single course and video ever "changed their life".

There is a slight difference... Both angles defer any form to imagination, so every element of your dad like the way he looks, things he says, etc, is ultimately imaginary... Leo's extra step is that not only is that the case, but you (as the only conscious being in existence) never experience what your "dad" claims to be experiencing. Or in more obvious terms, when your dad says he sees, he's a lying NPC. This what you say, and what I experience, is more akin to a notion of what Rupert Spira might teach, whereby upon death the apparent walls of a room (which would be your "self") dissolve. Or how I might say it, which is that it is somewhat like being a person is being "Brahman" looking through the mask of a human being and identity. When the mask of the human is gone, there is just Brahman... Experientially a mockery of monks and whatever else, as they are wasting their lives meditating when all of that spiritual practice must by necessity die to reveal "Brahman".

Right, time is not experienced except through consciousness, if a person ends, time is not experienced. When a new dream might start, the experience of that new dream will be literally instant as a result. What Leo is saying is that your dad never has a POV ever, on any level at all. This is what he is telling people right now. He thinks you stab him (Leo's body) and pain happens, but stab your dad and no pain happens. I think you are communicating the idea of the same exact entity experiencing anything, regardless of who it is happening to, without that extra factor.

It's not impressive swindling sick desperate people. Literally it's incredibly easy to do, targeting desperate markets like balding men or fat people etc is always lucrative. If you have desperate people following you, you can sell them anything. And they'll THANK you for the privilege of being allowed to pay you money. You can sell them air.

I remember a moment of existential crisis "awakening". I don't really remember the headspace, but I remember realizing nobody could helo me, no doctor, no friend, no family... Because they are me. Speaking to them would be like having a conversation in your own head. I STILL didn't have the notion that only my experience is real. But I text my friend something about how I need to go to hospital, and realized the futility in it as there IS nothing but me. End of. So talking to someone else is literally like talking to somebody imaginary in a dream. But no I didn't think they didn't have experience, just that I was having them and vice versa they are having mine right now. Bizarre periods of time... I don't really remember, but it was something unpleasant. Now that I don't remember I can enjoy moving about and watching cartoons and such. I wonder if both can be done at once... Either way I will surely die at some point so who cares. All of this is, I suppose, anxiety people have causing them to try to anticipate the unknown.

You will need to pay 50K for this sort of wisdom. Cough up squirt.

How about 100,000? Take out a loan, when you find out reality isn't real it won't matter. Maybe 500,000.

He doesn't believe you exist, it's that simple. If you see his latest blog post and watch the entire video, he's just teaching as something to do. He doesn't believe there's any experience but his. That's it.

Paying someone imaginary for a course? If only you exist, you are more awake than Leo because Leo doesn't exist, so who is going to buy such a thing? Lmao.