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That's something you're hardwired to do. Something you need to not die. Pointless conversations are, however, different. I needed to make this thread about just as much as I needed to smoke some weed! Why should I?! Y-You're not my mom! Damn it, man! You've made me go digging for it! Edit: Found it!

Well, I put them in "quotes" for a reason. "Wrong" as in what "some" "people" may see as the "truth". Turquoise expansion is well-rounded / balanced. Autistic expansion may be skewed in some specific area, depending on the person. Generally, though, something intellectual.

Sure, the apes are mostly Orange, but the idea of exposing such issues is Yellow. The apes don't give a shit about how they make their money, mostly, they just want it to squeeze! The motivation for most is Orange, but the method is Yellow. However, if Elon fucks with the markets, it's more likely to be Yellow. There are many ways for Elon to make money, and at this point he's more concerned with his reputation than money. I can very clearly tell that his "manipulative" actions are not the result of greed. It's more "trolling" in nature. I'm, generally, very sensitive to Yellowness, and this is what I'm seeing in his actions. tfw was considering selling at $73 today in pre-market, but decided this is most likely a bullish indication of what's to come later today.. ($73 was supposed to to be launching pad to $100 due to call options) tfw almost got margin called when it dipped to $37 tfw lost £5k due to having to panic-close positions to avoid margin call. tfw was finally starting to recover from my margin when GME crashed from $340 to $130, and I lost £20k tfw Leo can now call me Orange because I lost my money.. tfw too high up the spiral to kms over this. Except he's not motivated by money to work, nor the process of work itself. He knows there's no one out there that could replace him. And his work is that important. : ( It was not my intention to upset you.. w-what?! Gates is clearly Yellow. What would more money and success mean to him at this point? I'm relatively familiar with his current projects, and they're ALL very Yellow. He's just doing things in a way which allow him to maintain control, but that's more related to his personality that's been developed by decades exposure to the business world. He starts off by thing "how can I help" rather than "how could I profit". It's just that they're both deeply linked. I don't know much about Bezos, but I think he's Orange, with some emerging Yellowness. * shocked * You seemed like someone who'd know this. All I'll say is, that's definitely not a multi-perspectival view. MBTI is derived from brain function. Not the other way around. You can think of it like "autism just makes someone atypical". Be it atypically smart, or atypically stupid. For someone to be atypically smart, they're gonna have to have the "atypical" factor. No "typical" person is gonna be "atypically" smart.

I think you may be making some assumptions. I understand love. I went through the Green stage many years ago. Since then, I've been a hyper-extrovert. But a need for socialisation is a problem in itself. If you feel a "need" for others, that's an indication of unresolved emotional issues. Generally, anything you're emotionally "dependent" on is a problem. It'll make sense one day, I was a Green myself, once. You just, eventually, stop with the spiritual guru rhetoric, and start discovering things by yourself, at Yellow. Answers such as "you just need to awaken your heart" no longer seem satisfactory, and debates require actual reasoning. But no rush, you'll get there! ..sorry, had to. But one of my pet peeves is lectures from Greens who believe they're Turquoise. (I'm very sensitive to Yellowness, or its lack of, so those who dismiss it in Yellow discussions are a bit ..hard to deal with).

We're consciousness.

As I said: I have TOO MUCH conversation! I enjoy it, but it's nothing but a shallow dopamine hit! No different to a recreational drug. It brings me down to the intellect level. There is nothing left to say. Everything's been said. But with nothing better to do, I just end up having these conversations! Pointless conversations. When I was but a young Yellow™, I debated/theorized constantly. I enjoyed teaching & learning. But I've now too much awareness to believe there's any point in this. I only continue to do it for the dopamine hit. Other people are but an illusion. It's just a belief. You can only ever experience yourself. I don't see how illusions/delusions can, in some way, be fundamental. Useful, perhaps, but important? I think unlikely.

What do you mean by "righteous"? Seems like you're asking the wrong questions. If you knew how & when to act "righteous", that wouldn't help you at all. That could actually lower your level of awareness. It's just not how you learn. You learn best through failing as your authentic self. That's what you want to improve, right? It's not your acting skills that you're trying to improve. This is like a textbook example of what Blue tends to struggle to understand.

This is nothing new, but would be a fun experiment to try.

A little trick I picked up a while back ; ) Step 1: Become god. Step 2: Watch yourself rolling on the floor, screaming & laughing uncontrollably in ecstasy. Notes: The ecstasy is located around the back of the skull/neck. But I'm pretty sure it's possible to move around. Anyone else do this?

Hmm? Ni is the narrow/inward subconscious-processing function. It can make someone hard to understand, but I don't think mystical experiences are at all linked to it. But I may be biased, being a Ne-man myself.

Intelligence = awareness = the spiral Autists often have to compensate for their difficulties in society. This results in them developing their intellect. People are only as smart as they need to be to survive, and most never experience a need to develop their intellect. "Intelligent" people are, generally, only intelligent because they had to be (be it out of a need to understand socialising [autism], or out of boredom [adhd]). Orange is a pretty low level of development for someone in their 30s/40s, especially for someone with a highly developed intellect. And you don't just spend decades learning complex systems and thinking about the distant future as Orange, especially when you could just retire whenever. It's unlikely he's deep in Orange, but it likely is his predominant stage. I think his autism likely makes him atypical in terms of SD. He's got a lot of Orange and Yellow, but I'm not seeing much Green. A shadow, perhaps. He's the type of person who lives out of his intellect, and dismisses everything else. He's developed his intellect almost to the point of Yellow thinker, but that rejection of Green is keeping him from actually being a genuine, certified SpiralDynamics®Yellow™. I think that's a bit of a myopic view of his actions. He's not "manipulating" the markets, he's just fucking with them (big difference). He wants to expose its problems. He thinks shorting should be illegal, and is giving the problem more exposure (much like apes, such as myself, are by buying AMC/GME?????). This is an example of Yellow. Edit (while we're on the topic): ????????????????????????????????????????? MOON CONFIRMED!!!!! Gamma squeeze imminent!! HODL!! ?????????????????????????????????????????

I did say I'm kind of "addicted" to conversation..

Hmm, relatable. This reminds of a similar topic. Stage Green seems like it's made up of 90% feelers (MBTI). Feelers are significantly more likely to be Green, ime, just like autists are far more likely to be Yellow..

I don't think he's Yellow. I only think he's got more of it than the average person. Large-scale thinking, first principles thinking, etc. are all commonly associated with Yellow.

..which brings us back to my original point. You're just agreeing with me without even realizing.

Except that being "child-like", in this context, entails suffering. The rest of your post sounds quite judgmental. Guess where that's coming from... yeah, the ego. And that's not bad either. Once you really awaken to "everything is perfect", you realize that ego is a part of that perfection as well. Childish? Being child-like is one of the most wonderful states there is; this whole no-thing is play. A play needs players, characters, actors. Even if they are ultimately illusory.

Seems you've misunderstood something.

Interesting response. I guess you're saying it's "to maintain the ego". Talking keeps the ego alive. Silence allows for the illusion to drop, for you to become god, and to become insane from the perspective of onlookers.

Leo is the one who likes to use the word "stupid", if you've watched his videos. And I think its use is appropriate. I've lived all my life as the ego, like everyone else. The moments of godhood I have seem like the way forward; using the ego feels like going to sleep. If living from the ego were the way forward, that would mean all the gurus, everyone who's found enlightenment, are the ones doing it wrong, and those who indulge in satisfying their human needs are the ones doing it right. The ego is a delusion anyway, why go to such lengths to maintain it?

I guess that's "classical" autism. The kind seen as a disorder. Elon Musk admitted he's autistic, but he's not exactly having "difficulties". Without the autism, I don't think he'd have as much Yellow as he does. I've always known he has autism, and I've always thought he's got a lot of Yellow in him. This seems to be very common. Whenever I think someone's Yellow, I also often think they're likely autistic. This is usually proven correct, as was the case with Elon.

Thank you for the long response. I did word it in a way to suggest the same thing you're saying. And I'm impressed someone here is aware of the distinctions between different types of intelligence. But I was more referring to the mild cases of autism. The ones where someone's disadvantages can be more than made up for by general intelligence/IQ/EQ/MQ/SQ/etc.. Where they literally just think their way to Turquoise, lol. ime, 100% of people I'd consider "intelligent" are autistic to some small degree. And as stupid and crazy as it sounds, this intelligence seems to be correlated to tier 2. But if it's only in appearance, I do not know.. yet. lol, knowing me, it'll come to me by tomorrow.

Interesting stance. Not one I agree with. To which definition of ego do you subscribe to? And what is this territory you speak of? I'll most likely be familiar with any specifics you have in mind. If you meant "work through the ego to get rid of the fear", that's no different to what I've been saying.

I like your attitude : ) I don't demonize it. I just recognize its limitations. Ego = fear. In other definitions it's a "sense of self". I think there's value in kids having an ego. It helps create for unique experiences. But once someone's grown up, it's just childish keeping up the fantasy, especially when all it does it cause suffering. Maybe there's a component of personal preference to this too. All I know is, I have no use for it. And ego of the "fear" definition is, I'd argue, universally a bad thing. I occasionally get to be god, and it's quite nice, if I do say so myself.

Hmm, sounds like something I could've written. Doesn't give me anything new, but I appreciate the answer. I think, basically: Smart = more likely to develop to the point of tier 2. (The stages are measures of awareness, and intelligence = awareness, technically.) Autistic = higher probability of an over-developed intellect to compensate for social difficulties. (..and the good intellect fosters the development of analytical skills → accelerating the progression through the stages...) Didn't even know I knew that. But I did want new insights ..now I remember why I don't discuss this with people, and why I left this forum.

As a tool for development? And just what are we developing here? The ego? So the ego is a tool for further ego development?