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Hmm, I do hate most ENTPs I see online. But immature INTJs are definitely worse. I'm surprised you understand this much. That's all correct. Wait.. that's so weird.. I knew you were an INTP, but somehow forgot and ended up assuming you're an INTJ? In my "Leo isn't an INTP" thread I even used you as an example of how INTPs are "informative", while INTJs, like Leo, are "direct AF".

We study boring shit like computer science so we can make games about hunting/killing/surviving. All the Yellow/Turquoise insights humanity's ever had are just to enable stupid shit like that. Tier 2 is above survival ..and what does it do instead? It makes technology to enable itself to role-play survival, and maybe starts ethical businesses which save lives. And what do those saved lives do? They play call of duty and try to kill more than they die, lol. If survival is all there is, why aren't we just embracing it? Why are we elevating intellectual matters above animalistic matters? It's all the same anyway. Turquoise gurus aren't any more evolved than Reds who selfishly kill people for money. The contributions of Turquoise are meaningless garbage. And I'm talking about myself too here. Fuck my theories and insights.

Are his ideas of T3 actually deserving of the T3 title? Maybe they are, in which case what I was describing would be T4. lolwut Two possibilities here. Manifest genetic enhancement within yourself. I've heard of such cases before, and I guess it's a valid approach, but it's not just awareness. It's a non-physical level science you're applying to the physical. Become so aware that you can disregard all laws of reality, and manifest anything at all. No need for logic of science, just raw power.

Well the reason we don't use "Coral" in Spiral Dynamics is because there exist no examples of Coral. We need enough examples to form stereotypes so we can describe what a stage is known for. Tier 3 has the same issue, but as it's not a stage we don't need such specific stereotypes, only a fundamentally different mode of operation, which automatically comes to everyone once advanced enough. To reach it we wouldn't need to leave the world. It's a model of human consciousness evolution, after all. But what it would take is still be pretty extreme. We'll have to genetically enhance humans to suit our post-survival needs. It's inevitable, and will happen no matter what, but it could take a century or two. We won't see Tier 3 within our lifetime.

If they can't just get to the point, they're not worth my time.

omg what's wrong with this forum???? I'm shocked I didn't have to rewrite everything. It somehow sent ..this time. It crashes literally every day now. Sometimes twice. I watched their video, and it told me nothing. They vaguely support meditation? And tell people paranormal stuff is healthy? wth do they do? And why should I care?

Did you just call Leo "dissociated information"??? Self-awareness, and a terminology/ideology that isn't entirely rooted in new-age beliefs. If they can't shut up about chakras, kundalini, meditation, vibrations, tantiens, crystals, etc. then they're likely Green. If they completely dismiss such ideas, they're not even Green. If they demonstrate a good understanding of all those things, but don't rely on them, and are unmistakably "intellectual", then they're Yellow or above. So.. a "desire for deliverance" has a specific number of hours of sleep associated with it?? w-what?!? These graphs are weird, and without clear explanation. No hierarchies/structures, no intuitive way of figuring out what this all means, or why any of this matters.

waht That's silly. Information is information. Who says Leo's regular speaking speed is more natural or better in some way? You believe you're able to telepathically connect with @Leo Gura, and download his ideas better while watching at 1x speed or something? That's a belief, and will only limit you. The man in the video seemed like a high IQ upper-Green. But yes, I think you do need to be at least Yellow to get "insights". It all starts with multi-perspectivalism, and getting ideas beyond what are needed for you, as a person with individual biases and agendas.

Wait what? Just get a speed changer extension. I can adjust speed of videos on any site, including anything on the forum, youtube, or anywhere else. ?‍??‍??‍? I've been Green before. He didn't say anything unfamiliar, he just didn't have a point.

@lmfao is right on this occasion, I'm afraid, @Carl-Richard. The uselessness of the Big 5 can not be overstated. @lmfao Fi users are statistically much more likely to be misogynists, and INTXs are actually the ones known for being history nerds. I see tiktok has already taken its toll.. but maybe it's a better place for you.

2x? Those are rookie numbers. I always listen to Leo at 2.2-4x speed. I just value my time. Who's the crazy guy? He's awful at speaking, whoever he is. Said so much, yet so little.

Good thoughts. Perhaps love is an exception? But to love is to love x. If you ever love x, you're loving a finite/temporary thing. All love is temporary, but love, as an abstract concept, is permanent?. Though, if you ever do love, then that's temporary and relies on survival?? I will need proof that this is, indeed, what you thought at the time? jk You must learn the ways of the ENTP?? @Leo Gura I've worked it out. Well, I randomly got an insight on this, and now am trying to remember it. Survival = existence. We will never transcend survival, no matter what, as survival is existence. There will never be anything that isn't survival based. What matters is your focus. You will never transcend the need for survival, but you can transcend your focus on surviving. There are 2 levels of survival to overcome. Physical survival, and the genetic predisposition for a desire to survive. Tier 2s have learned to let go of the thinking-style / cognitive-tendencies which work in the service of their physical survival needs. However, they've still not dropped the genetic programming which compels them to seek out survival-based activities, such as chasing-sex/money, playing competitive games, etc. Perhaps this is what Tier 3 could be defined as.

I agree. But once you love strongly enough, you just want to help others feel the same, and what you're doing there is trying to ensure the survival/proliferation of this thing called "love" that you're now identifying as. So you're back to survival games. 1. That wasn't my aim. But the Big 5 got what was coming.. 2. I hope you realize I'm joking half the time..

Yeah, that's kinda my whole point here. What Turquoise does is really no different to what Red does. At all stages, all there is is the same thing. Murder and doing philosophy aren't any different. A philosopher hasn't transcended anything, he's just surviving boredom, rather than surviving a need for food/money. No matter how far you evolve, it's all the same.

Cite your source? Source?? Source?? Citations????

I had thought something like this would be obvious to you. The timeline isn't some "thing" that's "out there". It's a product of your consciousness connecting the dots which are, otherwise, unconnected. C-Carl? It's an unrelated topic anyway. You're imagining that one light tho.

Yeah they're all "real". But they're not connected. If we have murder, violence, and destruction in one 2022, we can still have a Turquoise utopia in 2050 in another reality. They ain't connected. From what I've heard, our earth was doomed, and damaged beyond repair in the 1980s. No matter what we do now, life on Earth is forever doomed. Luckily, there are infinite Earths, and it doesn't matter in the slightest if our Earth explodes tomorrow.

I mean of course there's Love, but I'm talking about what you want to do in your free time. What do people wanna do? Play survival games, watch survival movies, watch Bear Grylls survival documentaries, appreciate art inspired by the cycle of life, or the great depression or something, listen to pop music about overcoming/surviving the difficulties of life, and maybe some classical music too, by Bach, about the euphoria of finding God and it helping overcome the survival struggles or whatever, and then maybe discuss philosophy about the human condition, and how to best survive amidst all the suffering. Maybe you're just not thinking deeply enough. Of course my views are different when I think at a practical/Yellow level, but when you take solipsism and Turquoise ideas into account it's all very different. Evil and Love become the same. Nope. It does not. Time is what we call the rapid transition from one reality to the next. At least this is how Turquoise sees it.

The only advantage of advanced societies I see is having the option of comfort. Having dealt with the need for survival, we end up creating artificial needs for survival in the form of games / social ladders / etc. One way or another, we still end up playing the same game. The only difference is when we get bored of call of duty we can go play another game, or just relax in bed. But the driving force in life is always the same. Fundamentally, studying philosophy at university is no better than killing people for sport. Suffering is imaginary anyway, and other people are just whatever they are within your imaginary experience. Of course, in the end, the benefits of an advanced society will win out, but the future's imaginary too, and the present has nothing to do with a separate future Earth.

It's like you lack any self-awareness

Leading in what way? According to whom? It's literally so bad I don't even use it. I consider the Hogwarts House model much more useful than your Big 5. btw, maybe look up the "Barnum Effect". Big 5 suffers the most from this. Any of the Big 5 traits could apply to absolutely anyone, whereas if someone's a sensor or not is black and white—obvious. Stop relying on your "it's the leading", "it's the widely recognized", it's the widely respected", etc. arguments. They mean nothing. It's almost funny how fiercely you reject the fact you're a Te-user, while literally being the Te-user archetype. Edit: lmao just noticed.. It's like you're trying your hardest to prove you're a Te/Fi, and to validate MBTI and its predictive power. MBTI has predicted every single one your responses. What did the Big 5 predict?

lol, what children's movie is this??

..ok, and what will you do after work? Or morning tomorrow? Will you just "love" as a full-time hobby?

Hol' up.. did you just suggest that Big 5 ISN'T a "pseudoscience"?!?!?!?

How does it not add up? Some types might be tricky to tell apart at first glance. But some, like ESTJs, can be obvious before they even say a word. And some types are clearly systematic or non-systematic, or affiliative or pragmatic. Which aren't useless distinctions.