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Some functions generate information, while others make use of it. It's one of the fundamental ideas of MBTI.

w-what?! You're actually arguing.. this?! This is an accepted fact at this point. Elementary stuff. Introverted functions are source. They are what extroverted functions rely on to actually do anything. Te is nothing without Ti. Te is only as good as its Ti sources. A Te CEO of a software company is useless without Ti users doing the coding. A Te king is useless without his Ti advisors. A society can't operate with just one half of the functions. This is true at all levels. World → Country → City → Family → Couple. A family can't have the same functions, as that would be an imbalance. A couple can't have the same functions, as that would be an imbalance.

Explain to me.. How is Fi + Fi an objectively better match than Fi + Fe, considering Fi and Fe naturally seek each other out?

I promise I've spent more time thinking about Socionics than you have. If you spent even a year reading personal accounts, reading theory, and trying to make sense of it all then you would've realized Duality is nonsense. That's not how functions work. Have you looked into the personal life of Aušra Augustinavičiūtė? She's biased AF. She was trying to make a model to account for her own personal failures in relationships.

I'll take this to mean you concede.

Years of research. If I had a PhD in psychology I'd be less informed about Socionics than I am now as psychology doesn't study Socionics or MBTI. The only way you get good at Socionics/MBTI is through research. Not from listening to a single youtuber or attending any sort of classes.

You're right. But it's still based on the idea that opposites attract. As an ENTP, ISFJs seem like one of the least attractive personality types out there. Zero compatibility. The exact opposite of ENTP would be ESFP, yet I like them a lot more than ISFJs. Socionics' predictions are worse than chance.

A relationship with your subconscious is unlikely to ever work well. Whenever you use your favorite function, you're triggering their inferior function and making them feel insecure and entering conflict. I'd also argue that Fi + Fi relationships are just awful. Fi and Fe seek each other out. They want each other. They complete each other. Fi + Fi is a total distasted for long term relationships. Though, Ti + Ti can work as it's based on universal logic and not "I feel x, so you should also feel x!" As a Fe, I get much more excited by Fi users than Fes. I'm not compatible with Fe users, as Socionics would suggest. In a workplace setting I'd benefit more from a Te than Ti, but I'd have more respect and comradery for a fellow Ti. In relationships Se is a must, as Si + Si would mean we're both waiting for the other to initiate and suggest activities or whatever. As a Ne, other Nes just enable my jumping from idea to idea, so although I respect Ne users more, I'm more compatible with Ni users for long term. So this idea of duality is 100% complete bullshit, in my very well informed opinion. I don't think there's any validity to duality whatsoever. I've heard every argument. I've research Socionics for years. It's just wrong here.

Interesting. I thought INFPs would be quick to love someone. I can love people from just seeing a single post of theirs on the forum. I can immediately feel a person and understand them on a deep level without even getting to know them personally. I guess it's an Fe thing?? Yep. imo ENTP is the most balanced type. The intellect of an INTP with the emotional awareness of an ENFJ. This. She went to a psychologist, found out she's even more fucked up than she realized, decided she's not ready for a relationship. Yep. Ni = fantasy land. INTJ = think they know what they want, but actually don't. I hope Atheistic is taking notes.

wdym? Duality is based off not sharing functions. Comradery, an MBTI concept, is based on shared functions. ikr, lol. He's always like this.. Funny how he locks threads when other admit to drunk-posting.

You don't understand what the universe is. You can never access my universe. What I see as red will always be just my own experience of red. What red is to you is your own individual interpretation of red. You can never see the reality which I experience. You can't enter my universe. There isn't some one universe out there and we're all just players seeing the same things. Each person is a unique universe, and they're God within it. And before you ask, God is so powerful he can make himself powerless. Only God has the power to make himself powerless.

If someone claims to be "the best" then they actually put in the effort it takes to be "the best". If they're smart and self-aware then to actually believe in their own arrogant claims there has to be at least some validity to those claims. Problem is that 99% of INTJs are Orange, and, therefore, lack this self-awareness and are just cold, immature, imbalanced wannabe INTPs. I did a while ago. Got it. Now a girl is obsessed and in love with me but I just don't really care. Nothing exciting about love in itself. Love only means something when everything else works. I think something a lot of women don't realize is that women need love. Men need respect. Testosterone is the hormone that makes effort feel good. Man = testosterone/effort. Men feel good when their effort is respected/appreciated, as it basically means they are valued as a man by the woman, and this is of course good for relationships which revolve around the gender dynamic. Women are different. What makes a woman feel like the woman in this gender dynamic is being cared for, which is the main form of love they need. Feeling loved = safety and assurance that the relationship is working/stable. Whereas if a man feels loved that says nothing about the quality of the relationship. Moving to live under a boulder? Like Patrick? ? Actually that's been my experience too. I still kinda miss my INTJ ex. But Orange be Orange. Oh yes.. Though they're weirdly attracted to INFPs, so watch out!

You're misunderstanding what it means to be God. God isn't a God of Earth or humanity. Those are just ideas. They don't exist independently of consciousness/God. All things originate from God, not the other way around. Whatever God experiences is the universe, so if your body isn't in my perception then that body isn't in my universe. But this definitely won't make sense yet so go watch some of Leo's videos. Don't expect to immediately understand something that people have been contemplating for thousands of years and failed.

Seeking recognition for looks or for profound insights is no different. Both are Orange.

?? I think INFJs aren't arrogant enough for me. Too easy to get along with. Sister's a Yellow INFJ and we get along almost too well. It would be a problem to be in a relationship with such a person as there's not enough fire/sparks. But for more casual relationships it's perfect. One of the most well rounded and open minded types. I have feels, it's just the INTJs that don't??

I was saying we should salvage what we can from Socionics and put in into MBTI. Type compatibility could be one thing, but imo the MBTI compatibility chart is more accurate. Some specific elements of Socionics like beneficiary/benefactor relationships, or the 5th/6th function role in relationships is something MBTI completely lacks, so I'd definitely want to see that in MBTI.

INTJ is supposed to be the most compatible of all types for ENTPs. And that's true, ime, for long term term compatibility. Duality is supposed to work because "opposites attract", so the fact they share no functions is a good thing. One INFP I knew just wanted someone to tell her what to do, to command her, but to also be smart. ENTJs are usually what they're looking for. ENFJs would likely be good friends for INFPs as they'd hear them out and be interested in their emotions, but not sure about long term compatibility. INFP confirmed. You're like the 3rd ISFP I've debunked this week. In the years I've been on this forum, I've only ever come across maybe 4 people claiming to be ISFP. Actualization + ISFP just don't go together.

While Socionics is, indeed, superior, it's too late for it. Everything from dating apps to government agencies now uses MBTI. Better to just work with the best of what we've got. There's no room for both Socionics and MBTI in the world. Too confusing. Socionics should just be left as research material and not a system in use.

Socionics' theory of duality is complete BS, ime. In general, sensors go with sensors, intuitives with intuitives. In theory, ISFP should be most compatible with ESTJ. INFP with ENTJ. I'll add.. I can't imagine an ISFP being at all interested in Socionics. This is deep intuitive territory. Does not get much more N than this. I'll just go ahead and say you're an INFP.

Your intuition's already given you your answer.

This guy gets it. As a system, MBTI is objectively better and far more useful (especially when using the functions). There's a good reason you never see Big 5 used on the internet. Openness at 70% vs 72% is not at all a meaningful distinction, nor one that can be accurately tested, nor one that can be easily communicated. Big 5 goes straight to the bin for me, lol. Yep. But intelligence agencies want only what gives the most bang for buck. If there's only one system you master, it should be MBTI. Cool, me too. He says like a minute into the timestamped video I shared. He's an ENTP.

..so basically going to the gym and developing healthy habits like mewing and eating healthy food? Since when is that unhealthy? And before anyone says something dumb like "it's bad to be overly concerned about your appearance" ..that's purely projection and irrelevant. No one says "running is bad as it's unhealthy to be overly concerned about your running ability". One last point.. even if it's 100% for aesthetics and confidence.. women wear makeup and that's not even got any healthy side-effects. Do only beta femcels wear makeup? Exactly. If makeup has no stigma, then developing a more defined jawline or physique or whatever shouldn't have any stigma either. That said, Orange guys who take this seriously make me cringe.

Big 5 is much much simpler than MBTI. If it was all about simplicity, why wouldn't they use Big 5?

Watch the video. He addresses exactly this.

Less picky? They're as picky as it gets. They looked at the big 5, and every other model in existence, and concluded MBTI is the objectively superior model. Intelligence agencies are as "no nonsense" as it gets, and MBTI is all they use.