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I had a full blown enlightenment experience after unburdening a heavy part in my heart chakra. A huge infinite space opened up in my heart area and my sense of self dissolved. A few parts of my ego were scared and started to panic but this quickly dissolved with the light of awareness. I merged with an infinite field of consciousness extending in all directions. The energetic field of my body was simply a drop in the ocean that was my true self. Was an interesting experience. I was not on any drugs, except maybe a tiny bit of caffeine from the coke I drank earlier as well as some L-theanine and CBD I use as a supplement. I was pretty depressed from some family drama for the past few days but all the heaviness in my body is gone. I'm also getting kundalini awakenings more frequently now. Which may or may not be a good thing considering I haven't really burned through my karma yet.

I recently discovered IFS therapy from Leo's blog and holy shit its amazing. Basically, the mind is a complex adaptive system of interacting parts with a true self underlying it (I guess the true self is God?). Like members of a family, a person's inner parts can take on extreme roles or subpersonalities. Each part has its own perspective, interests, memories, and viewpoint. Every part has a positive intent, even if its actions are counterproductive and/or cause dysfunction. IFS works by first accessing the core self and from there, understanding the parts to heal them. There are 3 types of parts (copied from wikipedia): Exiles represent psychological trauma, often from childhood, and they carry the pain and fear. Exiles may become isolated from the other parts and polarize the system. Managers and Firefighters try to protect a person's consciousness by preventing the Exiles' pain from coming to awareness.[5] Managers take on a preemptive, protective role. They influence the way a person interacts with the external world, protecting the person from harm and preventing painful or traumatic experiences from flooding the person's conscious awareness. Firefighters emerge when Exiles break out and demand attention. They work to divert attention away from the Exile's hurt and shame, which leads to impulsive and/or inappropriate behaviors like overeating, drug use or violence. They can also distract a person from pain by excessively focusing attention on more subtle activities such as overworking or overmedicating. Managers and firefighters are protector parts. They protect the exile from harm and prevent the individual from experiencing the pain of the exile. A key aspect of IFS is to not work with the exile until the protector parts give permission. Anyways, I think that's enough of an intro. I've only been doing IFS for a few days and i've uncovered more of my subconscious mind than from years of introspection. It's like shadow work on steroids. My years of meditation has made it extremely easy for me to access my parts. I guess I've already accessed my core self from meditation and psychedelics so the first part is kinda already done. Like any kind of inner/shadow work, its emotionally brutal. I have to face some really dark, traumatized parts of myself that I had kept buried. No wonder people avoid this work. I'm gonna use this journal to write about my parts work. Since my upbringing was quite traumatic, some of the stuff I write might be a bit fucked up so heads up.

Here on actualized, they talk about god and infinite intelligence but they forgot to remove the 'I'. Which is the most important part since it's the ego that block truth in the first place.

Lol you guys are all npc's. stfu

You can meditate every day and integrate it into your lifestyle. This can't be done with psychedelics due to tolerance and the fact that they cause your life to become dysfunctional. Also certain meditative practices like shadow work will increase your baseline state permanently. And its interesting because Leo does not teach shadow work at all. Psychedelics also result in a huge spiritual ego Leo and most of the forum being all the evidence you need. He hasn't made a meditation video in years. And in case you haven't noticed, his spiritual ego has only gotten bigger. Which tends to happen when you only take psychedelics and neglect the other aspects of spirituality. And as I said multiple times, neither do you. Yes. I never disagreed with that.

you're roasting about 90% of the forum here

yes.

If it was baseline improvement, it wouldn't go away after 3 months it would be permanent. It happened with me as well. I got crazy enlightened with psychedelics but It went away after a few months. It's interesting because those states are where you have highest access to truth. He used to be like that. Now he has vastly shifted towards the psychedelic end. Pretty much none of his teachings are about meditation, yoga or shadow work and he is mostly talking about states he experiences on extremely high doses of psychedelics. Lol. As I said before, unless you are tripping balls on 5-meo or decades of meditation, neither do you. You can speak all you want but they are empty words. Pointers made by someone who doesn't actually know the direction.

No but someone's access to the truth is absolutely an experience. If you disagree, then why do you need a fuckton of 5-meo to realise truth? If it isn't an experience, then why do you need psychedelics? Why do you need literal chemicals floating through your brain to realise truth? Reaching peak states means very little if you can't integrate them into your life. Any understanding will fade once the drugs wear off. They are not the same. Leo's work: Take extreme doses of psychedelics repeatedly to get temporary peak states. Everything else is useless. Everyone else: Use meditation and other various practices to increase you baseline state of consciousness. Psychedelics are just a glimpse. Again, unless you have direct experience of the truth right now, your 'truth' is a meaningless construct. You can play whatever games you want but you aren't awake and know nothing about truth. These are Leo's words not mine. I can talk about god realization and solipsism and infinite love, but they are just mental games unless I am awake. The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.

During an IFS session I encountered a really angry rage filled part in my solar plexus chakra which stemmed from childhood bullying and abuse. This part is dangerous AF and would have led me to become a murderer or school shooter had I not suppressed it using multiple parts. It literally wants to brutally kill anyone who violates my boundaries. When I was communicating to this part I visualized beating everyone who had ever bullied me to a bloody pulp. After unburdening, it simply became the part of me that enforced my boundaries. Damn, I guess I'm scarier than I thought... Also I unburdened my fawn response as well as my bullied exile in my solar plexus.

And yet, the realisation of that is temporary... If it were that easy, everyone would be enlightened.

Unless you are directly experiencing truth this very moment, it is just a peak experience. No, Leo is encouraging people to chase peak experiences using psychedelics. If he wanted to elevate humanity he would be teaching how to increase your baseline stage of consciousness, which is far more important for humanity since in peak experience, one can no longer function as a human.

How is it a false dichotomy? what good is the truth when you only experience it for 10 minutes and go back to living in illusion?

I think this is the core of the conflict between you and other teachers. To most teachers, living from a place of high consciousness is more important than simply reaching extremely high states. And more important than just understanding is bringing it down to earth to help awaken others and raise the consciousness of humanity. In the future, if humans evolve in the right way, the alien consciousness you talk about could be someone's daily baseline. But we have to get there first.

Buddhists and nondualists have different goals to you. Your goal is to reach the highest level of awakening, while their goal is to bring awakening down to normal life to elevate themselves and humanity. in other words your goal is the highest state while their goal is the reach the highest stage. You have probably reached insanely high levels of awakening but do you really live from there? If you stopped taking psychedelics, would you stay at the god realized level?

Your definition of awake is different to other peoples definition.

I unburdened an exile in my throat area. This resulted in a release of energy which I moved up to the crown chakra in order to get a kundalini awakening. My crown chakra lit up with consciousness which spread down my body rejuvenating and healing any parts. However with this much energy in my body, I could not sleep. I've actually been struggling with sleep lately simply because I get acutely aware or parts and energetic blockages every time I try to sleep.

Well, I'm gonna follow your own advice and assume what you are saying is bullshit.

Yes its is, but accessing self is generally most peoples problem when doing IFS in the first place. Some basic ability to transcend ego is required to even start IFS so it basically assumes you can already do that. The unbending process in IFS is called introspective awareness in meditation. However, to reliably sustain this, requires months of meditation practice. There is also a higher state called 'metacognitive introspective awareness' where you are aware of your entire internal system at once. This makes IFS much more powerful. Some ego loss may occur from unburdening childhood traumas, but full enlightenment can't really be achieved with IFS alone since that would mean transcending the notion of self and parts. I've spoken to people who have done IFS for years and they always tell me that they are never fully healed and that its a lifelong journey. The video I linked in my previous post explains this very well. Just ignore the new age shit at the very end... That being said, doing IFS has made my meditation practice wayyy deeper since there are fewer obstacles on the path. In that sense, they are synergistic and everyone should do both. I think most people on this forum, especially Leo would benefit from IFS. Consequently, most people doing IFS should practice meditation and nonduality.

I think my previous answer lacked nuance so I'll elaborate. The work and IFS are both sides of the same coin, love and light, masculine and feminine. The masculine mode of healing deals with dispelling illusions and transcending the parts with the light of awareness. The feminine mode of healing deals with loving the wounded parts to heal them. The work is fundamentally a masculine principle while IFS is the Feminine principle. However there is a significant asymmetry between IFS and the work. IFS is perhaps the most advanced and nuanced method of the feminine mode of healing. On the contrary, 'the work' is pretty shallow compared to other masculine healing modes such as Buddhism, Taoism, Zen, nonduality, the works of Eckhart Tolle and Alan Watts, etc... That is not to say that it isn't useful. It seems like a really useful tool for the masculine approach. Just not the only tool. I actually realised I was doing 'The work' automatically after practicing meditation and mindfulness. In my personal experience, I have experienced more inner transformation and long term healing after a few months of IFS than 3 years of masculine healing. Interestingly, 'the work' became much easier after this healing and I found myself easily letting go of limiting beliefs. Both are true because the mind is a system of parts yet the ego is an illusion. Once you transcend the idea that you are a limited separate self, all suffering will cease because there is no one to suffer. However, complete ego transcendence is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for most people. An ego is also pretty much required to function in society, so unless you want to become a monk and live in a cave for the rest of your life, ego transcendence is not really a viable option for healing trauma. IFS is extremely effective for healing but It doesn't really transcend the ego. The masculine and feminine modes are healing are synergistic and people should do both.

That is a circular argument. You presuppose that there is a separate 'you' and 'I' to try to prove separation.

This entire debate is about solipsism... Why did you draw the conclusion that there are separate people?

But does the other have the same internal subjective experience as me? i.e. are others just npc's with no inner world or are they me experiencing being a different person?

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