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@John Paul You'd literally fuck the whole country then, gg wp. I am not saying that having different options is bad though, but the matter of thing just is that you shouldn't let people have too much control if they didn't learn the maturity/responsibility before that. I don't know what specifically you are having on your mind when you approach this conversation, but don't you see any dangers in handing lots of control to immature children. As I've said millions of times, when you just have good parents they support your growth and lead you well and that's how the thing just should be. Don't you understand that freedom comes with lots of dangers and I am not even over-exaggerating now.

@John Paul That's not what I said. I know that there are parents with bad behaviours, but to keep it simple most of the parents are somewhere "normal" and healthy environment for children to grow. When we are talking about sociological things we have to focus to the big picture and not to exceptions. If parents are smoking meth or being extremely bad image to their children then that again is another issue we shouldn't we focussing before getting the basics of previous dialogue done. Wouldn't you agree that children should be focussing their time to studying, planning their life and enjoying the youth instead of going to live adult life as early as the age 15?

@John Paul wdum?

@John Paul I don't just believe in advantages of becoming independent as fast as possible. If you have problems with being okay human being with your parents and getting along with them, I don't think you are ready to be so called "independent" yet. We don't need any mails or flayers, because as I tried to explain; we are constantly developing as humans and therefore as parents too, so we don't need to rush things. Spiritual people usually seek for fast solutions, but you should understand that society as a whole develops so so so much slower than individual being on his/her journey, so we have to learn to be patient with it.

@Leo Gura I mean yeah, if that could really work then whatever, but as I said I just believe that conscious leadership from parents is the key to the main problem we had here. It would be really informative from you to make the conscious leadership video that you talked about soon. I've been waiting it . PS. check PM wink wink.

@John Paul Yeah I guess I read what you said about mandate wrongly. Sorry about that. All people have big egos and I'd argue that there are bigger egos as bosses for some corporation or something like that. The ego problem is gradually getting better as our society evolves and as I said the only way to fix that problem is having better raising which includes conscious conversations. If you let your childrens do whatever they want then the information gained from the parents and their parents etc. would be lost. I don't get why you should even have "better" job than McDonald's at the age under 18. You should be studying, planning your life and enjoying the youth as you have time, energy and parents who give you housing, food and advices for free. That's just another topic and we shouldn't go to that before understanding the previous topic we still have open.

@John Paul That's just not practical to do in a big picture. Generally living with your parents till 18 yo is good. You could very easily fuck up your health, financial situation and mental health if your parents didn't guide and protect you. As I said: "Pretty rarely under 18 year old is wise enough to be fully responsible for their life and that's why they live with their parents and listen to them." Also you forgot to respond to these questions. 1) 2)

@John Paul How would the mandate be like? Aren't people under 18 yo allowed to work in usa. WDYM? Usually children pass their parents' development and that's how it should be in order to move forward in evolution. Pretty rarely under 18 year old is wise enough to be fully responsible for their life and that's why they live with their parents and listen to them. Also usually in that teen age people start to challenge their parents at wrong things so how could we distinguish that from good criticism. Oh wait that's where conscious conversation between parents and their children come into play.

@John Paul You're focusing to the wrong aspect of the puzzle. The problem isn't that children aren't labeled as adults, but that parents don't have conscious conversations with their children to find out what they truly want and support them on their journey. Children/teens shouldn't have the same rights as adults have, because the obvious developmental difference. To someone to truly be responsible of their life and choices one needs to be in certain developmental stage. So we need to focus getting our parenting to the better level so it is more interactive and the leading is explained to the child/teen in a way they understand that it is for their own benefit. Critique from children should also be appreciated for better leading. Possible counter-argument. People aren't the same so it is unfair to set specific age which people can't control to be measurement for being adult. 1) If we want to use some non-age measurement to find out if you are mature enough, then you need to suggest one that is somehow cheap, easy and precise. Otherwise it would just cause more inequality. 2) People in very young age are very sensitive so how one could possibly explain to someone that why they aren't in the same "level" as their peers. 3) How you stop people from harassing those people who develop slower? Before at least all of those 3 things are explained well, I am standing for you get adult privileges only when you're 18. Welcome to challenge my perspective though. That would be fun. -joNi-

@Ulax Thanks . @Ulax @Nilsi Hugs for everyone and let's together figure out what we could do about the situation that is going on. We are in the same boat after all. Let's not drown each others.

@Ulax Don't turn this into personal attack. Be nice, thanks <3

@Razard86 We are moving towards more justice, but as I said we can't have justice without safety (low SD stage foundation). I am just trying to point the problem that so called "moral people" tend to have which is that they point problem in our society without realizing that this step is an essential in our development to go forward. No one is arguing that inequality should be a permanent solution, but that is just what it is right now. That's why I don't mind about any injustice in stop-and-frisk for example, because we got more foundational problems to work on. Just do whatever it takes to handle criminals to any extent so we have little bit safer environment to think about what to do next.

@Danioover9000 Leo is not restricting you from joining random discord groups, but stealing people from one group to another one is just wrong.

@Razard86 Exactly! Masculine side of you is meant to express your feminine side well. So femininity is the idea you're trying to express like your values, emotions and creativity and masculinity is your calculation making and confidence. Without good foundation in any of those 2 the expression doesn't just work the way it's meant to be. I have seen so much misinformation in the internet that those 2 powers fight with each other and that you can't have both of them at the same time when in reality without the other one you'll just be unbalanced.

@DemiNingen I don't just get what you're trying to say, sorry. Maybe try writing longer response and really focus to how you express yourself, because right now your expression feels extremely messy at least for me.

@DemiNingen What not returning to original self means to you. After you have defined that to me then we can begin the inquiry.

@axiom I'd say the less spiritual words you need to express some idea, the better you know the subject.

@Leo Gura I think that's bad way to think about it. Having justice without safety is hard.

@Leo Gura But the question again is that which is more important in this specific scenario justice or safety. I'd even argue that when we have more safety we can focus more to justice. I mean you could do it the other way around too in some sense, but I just think fixing lower stage problems first to some degree before moving higher in the scale of problems is good thing to do. The same way as you can't make people meditate and relax when you're pointing them with the gun or they are pointing you with one. So stage green people sometimes get too carried away trying to fix some very high tier problems when we have some more important ones still unsolved. You see that?

@Razard86 Yeah, but the only point that matters when considering profiling is frequency of crimes between different groups of people. Let's say you have 2 lakes you could go to fish. Lake number 1 which has 1000 fish, but is 1000 x bigger in area than lake number 2 or lake number 2 which has 100 fish. So basically the frequency of fish in the lake number 2 is higher and therefore you'd get more fish faster when fishing there. So it doesn't matter how many fish there are, but the frequency you'll catch them. That's the point which matters when you try to find good fishing place; where you get fish more often. You got what I said?

@Tyler Robinson Exactly! That's what I was trying to express here. It's not polices fault nor failed operation if they're pointed with a gun. When that happens I think polices should immendiately shoot just for their security. If polices let suspects always act weirdly it doesn't take long and some polices are dead. We have to remember that those polices have many cases and propability to die is extremely high so that's the reason they act like they do. Shoot or you get shot. 1 + 1 = 2 I agree that there are bad apples too. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

@Leo Gura Could you finally tell me what's the problem in that clip for example. I don't see anything wrong in it from polices perspective. What's this all about?

@lxlichael Showing me specific clips where things fail doesn't prove anything. First of all that black man wasn't respectful and started fighting when he shouldn't and he threated the police officer and we don't know what happened in between, because the camera flew to the ground.

@Leo Gura Right now from the perspective that I read about it from wikipedia and don't even know what to look for I didn't find anything too problematic. It said that police officers stopped latinos and African-American people more, but what's the problem here? What are the harms that are so grandiose? As I explained; sometimes it is better to fish where the amount of fish is bigger. I don't know if something really bad happened in that program and I'd be open to hear more about it from you if you can tell me what exactly is the problem here. Yeah, as I have said it sucks for those groups of people, but sometimes it just is beneficial. For example stopping specific group people in airports seems to be beneficial or otherwise they wouldn't do it.

@lxlichael What you mean ;D How what I said was low quality when in actuality it was pretty well thought and written.