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@Leo Gura You should include to your answers whenever you are talking in absolute level and when in relative level, because yeah your response is correct, but it could be misunderstood or not understood at all. I agree that this present moment is all there is, but of course there is chain of events when we think relatively. For example my birthday is fifth day of december and it will happen in "future" as long as nothing too weird happens for example my body dies. I have read couple of your conversations with the members here and I see that they really don't get what you are trying to say and it doesn't help that you play with them. Yeah I understand that it is your forum and you do it for your own enjoyment, because what else there is to do. I understand that even the thought of future happening is another thought which is within this moment. Anyways you are falling into same trap as the Nahm did with an endless parroting of everything is a thought. You just say that everything is imaginary. I just made this post, because you said that you want good criticism whenever it is needed. If your point is just to have fun and answer as you like then there is no problem, but if you want to be as clear as possible then you could maybe do less responses with more information and quality. Now a days it just sounds like a you are copy pasting responses. I understand that it is sometimes frustrating when people don't get what you mean, but always talking in absolute level is not the solution, imo. With love -joNi- <3

@Arthogaan If there would be real "blank state" then it would just be "skipped". So total blank state is not real and is just a thing you are imagining.

@Arthogaan Who said that it first needs to start with no dream? That is thing which cannot be aware of and thing which cannot be aware of isn't there in a present moment which means it does not exist. So by a definition this kind of state which is said in the video cannot exist. Non-experience cannot be experienced and therefore it is not real and if it could be experienced it wouldn't be non-experience anymore. @Michael Jackson I never said that there is god or is not. I only said "if it would be the case ..." which was just to induce some thoughts to run.

@Arthogaan There isn't even that "blank black potentiality" outside of the dream, because there is no outside and if it would exist then it would exist within the dream. So the conclusion is that there is only the dream which is happening right NOW. "The sleeper" and the dream is same thing.

@Arthogaan There is only present moment and if it would be the case that there is no god in it right NOW then god wouldn't exist right NOW. What infinity just means is that there are no edges in it. Can you perceive the edges of your present moment right NOW? To see edges of what you see you first need to see that which you do not see and that contradicts itself. So try right NOW to become conscious that you don't see edges of your experience.

@Terell Kirby I don't have any bias towards spiritual people and I even see myself to be part of that group. It is just well known that, if you drop a word like logic in spiritual conversation then always there is one who says that truth does not need logic. Yeah I undestand that, but we were talking in relative level anyways and I just told you that, you know that you have an answer when you don't feel like questioning it anymore. What would be the point of asking question when you already have the answer for it?

@Terell Kirby I already knew while adding that last part about the logic that all spiritual people will start an argument about it. I didn't mean it in a rational way that everything needs to be math or something. But what I just said was that you don't need to ask your teacher what is the answer for 2 + 2 when you already know that it is 4. If you want something else, but conceptual answer why are you asking me to answer it conceptually . It doesn't matter what the "answer" is, because when you know it, you know it and that's it : ) -joNi-

@Terell Kirby You don't need to question anymore when you already have the answer. Based on this logic as long as you question you haven't attained the answer and when you don't have a need to question this anymore I would argue that you have the knowledge. It's not even intuition, but basic logic.

@gettoefl @Manusia How does it make you two feel when others give positive compliments about the person you really aren't? I mean, if that does not make you feel better then what is the point of doing so. You guys should learn to start telling your opinions and thoughts to others without too much thinking about what they are going to say and as I have said previously - if they don't accept you as you are then they aren't the right people for you. Your first goal is to express yourself and it doesn't matter at this point how others take it. You win anyways, because you overcame your fear of expressing yourself.

@Terell Kirby When you don't need to ask this question then it is something beyond conceptual.

@WokeBloke How could we be different beings? Everything must be one so that proves we are the same one.

@thisintegrated You missed the whole point I said. Of course I don't want to live in country where they allow bad things to happen without any good reason, but the thing is that every benefit has its cost and in flexible rules you have grey area. That is rule making 101. Would you rather live in country where they don't take anything situationally and when you hold robber in a floor to wait police to arrive, they give you ticket from obstruction of movement.

@thisintegrated Either you lack radicality or situationality in making rules. If you make it too radical then there is no enough flexibility and if it is too situational then there are lot of grey areas. You choose either of these 2 cases, you lose. That's why you need to learn to make decisions between 2 bad choises, because truth is that you need to choose something or freeze which is even worse.

@Manusia I would almost say that, if you feel like being at home while being at pubic place talking to people, that is strong indicatinon that you are being yourself. To do that you need confidence which comes from not taking social situations so seriously. Being cool is all about letting go and not adding anything just to make others like you. Also you know that you are thinking authentically when it is based on your deepest desires and opinions. Seeing that requires that you have first contemplated your desires and opinions precisely. After that just act from these motivators : )

@StarStruck It doesn't matter, at least for me. Usually I have about 20 tabs open, but that is, because that guarantees that I will never run out of things to do. It's like to-do list and when they are looked again or aren't interesting anymore I will close them.

@WokeBloke NOW you seem to be asking right questions ?. If there is no "perception" of something then it is not happening in present moment which means it does not exist. In case you have seen, there is no "perception" of time, perception, consciousness, I, gravity, control, etc. Direct "experience" cannot be denied though, because I guess you agree that the "sensations" are happening.

@WokeBloke NOW straight question from man to man do you really wanna understand this thing or just argue about it? Ask @Leo Gura, if you don't believe me. Also I guess this thread is going to be closed soon, because it is not progressing anywhere. As kindly as I can say - I am not interested in arguing in topic which is fact, not opinion. All love to you and I hope you find the answers you want soon -joNi- <3

@WokeBloke The moment is always same, but the content/ look of it is constantly changing. There is only one moment and it is present moment. You are imagining time to this equation, but the problem is that there is no time. Can you perceive time? The answer you already gave me on our conversation was that "no I don't perceive time, but I perceive change in content". Exactly so the content changes, but present moment aka (creator, god, universe, etc.) stays as present moment forever. This is not an argument, but I am trying to explain you how this thing works and that is exactly what Leo Gura, Barna, Studentx and Osaid is trying to do aswell.

@WokeBloke There is another assumption. You assume that this present moment could somehow get destroyed and also you assume that something else is left after that happens. Where these assumptions come from? Isn't that something you couldn't experience by a definition so how are you sure that this is the case?

@Osaid You are exactly correct, because it is an assumption that when you watch video that the thing which you see in video actually happened at all somewhere else, but in present moment HERE and NOW. One funny thing to realize is that whole Universe started right NOW, because you may first say that no it all came from yesterday, but NO! Present moment actually happens "before" thought of yesterday, because thought of yesterday or past can't happen without present moment, but present moment can happen without thought of yesterday which is happening within present moment, if it is at all.

@WokeBloke There is no God's creation and that is the mistake you are making. There is only God and it is aware of itself forever seeing itself change to different shapes. Ta - da, that's the whole spirituality and reality in 2 sentences. My post was not made, because it is God which didn't need to be created. I am NOW using your own terms that I wouldn't maybe use, but it helps our communication so I will keep it with you only so you finally would understand what I have tried to tell you for a long time on this forum and on discord conversations. Okay concentrate NOW so you may get what we all are here trying to tell you including Leo Gura itself. What is happening for you right NOW is one "snapshot" of reality and it is also called as God. The thing is that who said that God couldn't change its look continually. Who would stop God doing such thing? There is no one or something else than God, because God is everything. By definition, if God is everything then it must be the moment which is happening right NOW so "you" are looking towards God all the time without realizing it.

@WokeBloke Also it seems that you didn't read my post with an intention to understand, because you just commented something which didn't even relate to what I said. I was even surprised myself about what I wrote, because it was very accurately on point. I wouldn't be surprised if someone would get some type of awakening only from that answer alone. Why do you think like that? What is the argument behind that this moment couldn't be the creator itself changing its shape constantly?

@WokeBloke In your dream where you are sherlock holmes and you make cookies in oven, actually sherlock holmes didn't make anything, because the whole situation was movie. So it is not movie's characters which are making anything up, but the director itself. So actually "I" didn't make my post, but it was God, if you like to call this present moment as that. As long as you think that God/creator is something else than this moment right NOW you are imagining some fairytale. You already agree that God is unmade so the only thing you need to realize is that this present moment is the God.

@WokeBloke Think it like that - right NOW everything you are seeing is the creator, but the creator's "body" doesn't stay same looking all the time and actually it is constantly changing. So basicly you don't see anything which is "made", because there is nothing which is "made", because the moment you have right NOW is the creator itself. So the "made" and "unmade" is the same thing.

@Manusia I have felt the same my whole my life until I finally understood to question that is being "outsider" really negative thing? Answer is VERY LOUD NO! It means that you are interested in things that aren't popular and that proves that at least you really have something you are really interested. People who follow others like a sheeps most likely will never understand the beauty of being and just existing. I don't care what some models say that you need acceptance from others, because I have strong opinion that you don't even need/care about others opinions after you accept yourself and see yourself as a KING! One good trick to make your life to seem extremely interesting to yourself is to think it like watching some really exciting movie and seeing it from first person view. Don't kid with me, because I know that there has happened lot of things that could count as a movie in your life when you really think about them. It's movie about main character facing really hard stuff, but still evolving and the most beautiful thing is that at some point that character will understand that the whole path (s)he walked was pure beauty and meant to happen just like it happened : ) Amen ? ? ? ?.