Kksd74628

@Someone here Whoever doesn't send me 20 euros will go to hell. Remember that it is only minimal amount of money not to get thrown in hell so you better ask how you can transfer the payment for unlimited access of heaven.

@MrTouchdown No. This thing is challenging to show you, because you are pretty beginner to spiritual stuff. The thing is that reality is just "perceptions" and there is nothing where these "perceptions" are coming from. Like in dreams at night you don't need anything which is making the dream up, but your "mind". This thing works exactly like the same way. I don't need to exist in order to these words to come to your screen. So you don't need anything prior to "perceptions". These words aren't proof that there is some entity writing to you.

@Someone here Why would I need to survive, if I don't exist to begin with. Also who wants to be ego anyways. Questioning assumptions is not assumption, because I only do it so my life feels better. I have noticed from my direct experience that I am living the best life possible right NOW and I recoqnize it as heaven. I see that you are afraid of deep spiritual stuff and that is normal, but don't let your ego backlash to affect "others" here, because they will most likely have their own so they don't need any excess challenge to this journey.

@MrTouchdown It's not operating simultaneously, that's what I am saying. It only feels like that, because you are stuck with your time paradigm.

@MrTouchdown My past/future self is conscious when I am experiencing from its "pov", but not when I am experiencing something else. Isn't that the most clear thing? Think "other" people like your own recordings that you hear NOW. The one who recorded these words is not recording it when you are listening to it, because the recorder and the listener is the same one and can be only at one place at the time.

@Someone here Why would I assume that the sun rises? I mean, if you want to live in the world where almost everything is assumption then give it a go. One goal of spirituality is stop assuming stupid things and trying to seek truth and, if you really had "god realization" then I guess you understand what I mean. Without you stopping to assume that you aren't god you can't ever realize it.

@Someone here To which reality? To reality where you assume lot of things without any proof?

@MrTouchdown You say that you don't believe one way or the another, but still you said that if I think you are imaginary then I am delusional. Me being delusional is only possible, if I would be real. This thing works as followed. There is only one dreamer and it is "you". NOW you experience being Mrtouchdown talking to Kksd74628 and no one is conscious, but you. Still you have to understand that whenever Kksd74628 reads the message then in that point Mrtouchdown is not conscious. The mistake that "many" people are doing is that they think that "our" experiences happen simultaneously. In reality it happens one dream at the time and that's why when I say that you are imaginary I am correct, because "I" am "you". It sounds weird from "Mrtouchdown's" perspective, but when you die physically and have experience from "other" pov you realize that you can actually say that and it makes sense, but still you are not talking to anyone else .

@MrTouchdown Why do you think that I am not dream character?

@MrTouchdown You don't get it. First of all you know whenever you have an experience or not and that is all that matters to you. Second of all think this conversation like it would happen in your dream at night. Would it make any difference if the dream character thinks you are imaginary or not? Answer to this thing first so I can guide you to the answer.

@MrTouchdown Point is that "others" are just like dream characters which aren't having any experience whatsover. If I say that I experience you or not or I think that you are real or not, it does't make any difference. It would only make an impact, if I would be real. Who told you that I am? Why would you think that there is something beyond your experience? Why do you think that you are not seeing the whole universe right HERE and NOW?

@Preety_India It doesn't matter, because you don't exist to him to begin with. You are just his imagination which is trying to convince having an experience to make him feel like there are "others". It doesn't make any impact when dream character would come talk to you and say that (s)he feels like you are real. First order is that the dream character is not real. After that anything (s)he says doesn't do anything.

@MrTouchdown Actually you have understood it wrongly, because it is kind of trick topic. The point is that your experience is the only thing which is real and everything else is imaginary and you are all alone, period. Other people are not having any experience, becauase you are the only experiencer like in your "dreams at night". Who told you that you wouldn't be dreaming right NOW? -joNi-

@Galyna Yeah, meditation is learning to die. When you don't need anything then you have all you ever wanted.

@BipolarGrowth You said it better, my friend : ) With love -joNi- ? ?? ?

@Inliytened1 I am not going to this conversation, because I just disagree on the self notion, because the self must be emptied so radically that there is no thing left to identify with anything else.

@Inliytened1 Important thing to point out is that thoughts are real as they happen in present moment, but the content of thoughts is not real. So basically you could say that everything is "real", if you look this thing from absolute point of view as you are doing, but that doesn't change the fact that there is nothing outside of present moment, ever, period : )

@Someone here There are 2 ways to "experience" past and future. Either you imagine them in present moment or then they happen in present moment and they no longer are anything else, but the present moment. So all your experiences are present moment. How would you know that something is consistent, if you wouldn't have a memory? As you may realize, everything which seems consistent is just your own thoughts that try to fill not knowing, but it never works.

@Someone here Your senses do not tell you that the sun rises everyday and goes back to sleep at nights. You have only one snapshot of "time" at the time and everything before and after it will always be imagination which happens in the moment. It's you which is "combining" some "memories" and assumptions of future with the present moment. Only present moment is real from these 3 things past, present moment and future. -joNi-

@Danny Bowdad You don't need to fly to vegas to look into Leo's eyes. Look into your mother's eyes or even to mirror and that's the same thing. -joNi-

@Taus Everything is about the perspective you have, remember this. Maybe it's not this "place" which is horrible, but you only see it in that light. Don't close the possibility that you could someday recognize this place as heaven. Stop being so picky with things you want to your life, because that only makes you incapable of enjoying the things I do and what is the point in that?

@vizual Could you share link to that conversation with Leo so I could check the situation and give my own perspective of what happened .

@Carl-Richard How leo's last post had anything to do with what I said to you?

@Ya know I would say that a thing which has a potential to silence mind is excellent tool. Yeah of course that doesn't mean that you should stop thinking things. Actually I will advice you to think so much that you actually don't have anything left to think and then the real silence begins. I used to write blog on twitter, but nowadays I don't have anything to say, because there is nothing to say, ta - da! At least for me it is like I have exhausted myself from thinking, because I have done it so much in the past.

@Raptorsin7 I am not too sure about the definition, but it sounds like everyone of us on the forum should be "apolitical", because you really can't look a thing holistically while having limited perspective. How debate works is that at least one of the participants can't either see whole picture and/or the perspective of another one. Of course it is impossible task to ask humans to understand everything, but basically more conscious and less biased you are the more enjoyable the conversation is for all the participants. It's important to say still that debating is not bad thing, because its purpose is to see why 2 or more people disagree and what things people miss from themselfes and/or from others. Debating is problematic only when people start to use excess emotions, aren't willing to even look another perspective and the discussion isn't progressing. When that is the case, there is no use for the time spent and actually just uses resources. @Carl-Richard The word means "dummy" to you, if you see it in that light. Some people may actually smile on their face publicly state that they don't want to participate in politics due to for example it is too slow or something. I don't know the story of how (s)he got the label, but most likely it was, because (s)he either asked to get it or then (s)he was too problematic on the politics section and caused too much harm here. All of that is still speculation, because I don't know the situation and I guess nor do you. If you do then share the perspective so we can continue the discussion . -joNi-