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@WokeBloke This conversation is running circles and may most likely be closed, because too much mental masturbation which is not progressing the situation. Just accept that you don't know if past happened or not and after that stop assuming some answer over another and live in the unknow.

@WokeBloke You are making mistake in how you pursue truth. As you said you don't know if it is true or not therefore you should remain neutral standpoint over making assumption. Learn to appreciate the beauty of not knowing. Be man and say that you don't know if past happened or not. That's all I am asking you to do.

@WokeBloke It's fun that you try to rationalize yourself out of this. What spirituality is about is not some type of argumenting science, but just what is truth. Truth is that past is assumption, period. If you don't agree on this, leave the forum.

@WokeBloke Who said it is based on something? Why everything suddenly needs to be based on anything? "Memory" is part of the illusion that keeps you asking these hilarious questions again and again.

@WokeBloke It is an assumption that it happened and you can't know it for sure. If you have this much ignorance that you won't even admit when you don't know something then spirituality is not right thing for you, because you will never progress in this thing having your standpoint. I am not even kiding right NOW.

@WokeBloke I have only assumption of it in my memory. You have to understand that thinking that past really happened is just thought which is happening in present moment. See that only what is perceived right NOW is thing you can absolutely be sure that is "real".

@WokeBloke Again who said that something needed to be created. Remember not to use human logic which has limitations and therefore leads to paradoxes. Who said that Universe needs to "start" from nothing? Open your mind to the possibility that there never was a moment without "experience". -joNi-

@zunnyman Sounds like a kundalini energy. Search it up from google and learn to relax your body as much as possible and start accepting it. -joNi-

@RMQualtrough If you would have split/multiple screen, you would ask why there must be many viewpoints, if there is only one player. There are no rules for what experiences can be had and that's the reason why your experience is what it is. It works like there is nothing, but present monent in your universe. -joNi-

@Nilsi You are missing the part where you come back to the earth integrating what you learnt to beautiful way of living. It seems that you really seek for connection with people on relative level and king level confidence to do so with smile on the face. Never is too late to do some social challenges. -joNi-

@Magnanimous Actually the deepness of your teacher doesn't matter, if they are giving you practical tips to "increase your consciousness". Also insights from others should actually be yours that are triggered by them, not theirs that you blindly believe on. Use your own experience as checking method and that which you don't see you shouldn't think you see, because that would be just more assumptions to present moment not less. -joNi-

@thisintegrated In that case I wouldn't as you aim too high. Maybe talk about one part of spiritulaity that you 2 already agree on and little by little and see where your morality and philosophy differs. Most certainly you can't change their perspective and actually the best way could be by not trying to. Learn to talk with lower conscious beings so that you get insights from them even while their understanding is not as deep as yours. That requires you not to talk about things they obviously have no good understanding towards. When you start to develop skill of reading people's understanding level you should automatically know which topics are healthy for both of you. Final words - don't participate in game, if the lose is almost inevitable. -joNi-

@thisintegrated The question you should ask from yourself is that why do you care about changing someone's mind in the first place. The only one who needs to understand things is you and the desire to prove itself only comes from the need of validation which usually is needed when one doesn't know something for sure. You could say that you try to help them, but actually arguing with them makes them more defensive, angry and unhappy and those are all opposite of what you try to do.

Long walls of text have potentiality to tell about 2 different things. Either it is that you cannot pack your information to more dense form or you just have very holisitic approach and want to look thing more closely from many angles. Holisitic way of processing information is spiritual; at least I would say so. Short answers have their pro sides as well. For example people will read them more likely and there is stronger impact. Still you can't reason someone's "spirituality level" from their lenght of answer.

@PedroCedro You can always do some meditation practices or take psychedelics, but first answer: why do you think that earth exists?

@PedroCedro Let's start with an easy things. There is nothing outside of what you perceive and when you understand that, you will get everything else.

@PedroCedro Efficient for what, what do you think awakening is and what you really want from your life? -joNi-

@BenG Self-confidence actually can be faked, because when you act like you don't care about anything, you will sooner or later really stick to that mode. Confidence really is that you don't care about being confidence. You can't per se "learn" to act cool, because what being cool is that you don't care if others see you as cool anymore. Understanding solipsism and that you are inside lucid dream makes you absolute confident, because you play here with just lucid characters.

@MrTouchdown I don't just understand why you always flip this whole thing upside down. I never said you are imaginary. I said that whoever is reading this message right NOW is the only conscious being and that can be "proved" for oneself through mystical experience which can be accessed with meditation or psychedelics for example. Btw how you know that dream characters don't have own experience? How you know that it is your own dream and not some dream "server" out there. You don't have any proof for any of them, but you still decided to make difference between them. Why? -joNi-

@Someone here If you call it nothingness then it would be so nothing that there wouldn't even be "experiencer" in it so how can you say that you experienced it?

@MrTouchdown ? If you would be only conscious being then there wouldn't be that difference you stated and therefore you could call both with a same word.

@MrTouchdown What is the difference between dream at night and this what you have NOW?

@Vibes Exactly and also remember to pm me, if you got questions, my friend : )

@Someone here I thought I was talking on high quality spiritual forum rather than in stage orange bar night. "Actual" video recording doesn't prove anything, because that assumes that the events in a video happened and aren't just things happening in a present moment. If you are using video camera to prove spiritual insights I think @Leo Gura should kick you out of this forum just, because this is too absurd :D:D:D:D:D

@Someone here This thing is "programmed" in a way that you need to "sleep", but that doesn't prove that anything actual happens in a dream. It works like a video game where you heal your character, but there doesn't need to be any healing happening, but just a gain in a hp bar. You never experienced deep sleep, but you have just thought about it. Your logic just assumes that there needs to be cause and effect and that is why you are having so many problems in understanding spirituality.