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@spiritual memes Facepalm ... It wasn't about that film being relatively awesome, but that he could appreciate it more than you.

Opening and explanation of this post Because I've recently consumed lot of his content and because someone decided to make post about him I decided to have full depth analysis about things people keep arguing back and forth. First when I saw his videos I didn't understand what he and others similar people are trying convey to the audience and society. It doesn't matter if he is stage orange or anything from the perspective of learning to make things happen. Yeah I don't say that you should lower yourself from tier 2 to back to tier 1 only just to have awesome cars, but maybe there is some rigidity everyone should integrate from him. You can study useful perspectives, worldviews and ideas from anyone and it doesn't even require them to be higher stage than you're or even at the one you think you currently are. Yeah, you shouldn't make it to your only and highest worldview, because that would be the trap which swings you to lower stage. So there is valuable perspective for any student from me which is that: don't get caught in spotting things which don't make sense or are wrong, because then that'll be that which you see and therefore consume. If you started reading this post in hope that you find if you should be against or for Andrew Tate then I've to say that point of this post is not to continue the debate to another level, but more like trying to build bridge between people in different sides. Winner is not that which has the correct perspective, because the true winner is that which sees all the perspectives and doesn't judge someone from not seeing what (s)he sees. There aren't obvious things and everyone has experienced and studied what they have and not knowing isn't reason to laugh to anyone. To the actual analysis Andrew Tate is a motivator and you should use him to that purpose for sure. He knows how to get things done and he teaches people that attitude which is almost totally missing from newer generations. There is also something to learn from his self-confidence, authenticity to his values and opinions and way of speaking. Even if these values aren't your top values or not at all doesn't mean that you cannot study the structure of his worldview which is actually deeper that it seems from the first glance. That you don't like his personality highlights some shadow in you that you haven't accepted yet. It's not about him, but you. He is only the one who triggers you. Any people who triggers you is great opportunity to ask from youself why is this making me triggered and what I don't see? If everyone would do that we'd have more deep conversations in the world and in this forum. Don't think that you are higher than "normies on the society" and not being able to fall into this trap only because you are user in this spiritual forum. So the thing I am trying to say is that his worldview makes absolutely sense according to the values he has. That's actually very surprising to find even from spiritual forums. Huge respect for Andrew Tate from achieving this! Does he have high values and is he pursuing the best possible thing there exists? Probably not, but is he pursuing and actually achieving that which he thinks is the best possible thing there exists. Hell yeah. From the video that I'll drop here you can actually see that he is very happy and loving guy, but it can be extremely hard to see if you try to see it through your biased lenses. What are high values? Let me present you definition of high value that I made. "High values are better than low values, because they show more directly, holistically and strongly what you truly want." So if you want to find what you truly want then you should contemplate towards things which make you happy and then ask from yourself what it is that which produces happiness in me? Doing that process once is not enough, but you should go through as many layers as you can until you hit rock bottom of your values. Even if someone has different values than you it is still adviced to study them so you could have some insights or see something which you couldn't see for yourself. You propably have thought lot of yourself and your needs in your life so that's why you don't find something new so easily only inspecting yourself. That is what it means to be selfish and don't get me wrong, because being selfish is a good thing. I am talking about Absolute selfishness to your values, morals and needs. The twist here is that when you get happy from helping others then continue being selfish which means to help others and love them as much as you can. So selfishness and selflessness collapse eventually to one and the only question is what values you have and how much you operate in life according to them. Making sense of his values Let me introduce you 2 notions that I am going to use to break down whole discussion about women versus men. Male energy and Female energy. IMPORTANT POINT TO SAY SO YOU DON'T SEE ME AS A EVIL. Everyone has little bit of both and is able to attain both energies. So male energy isn't only for men and vice versa. The names only come from where these energies are found in high quantity in average. Male energy is doing and achieving what you want and female energy is being and feeling what you have. Optimal case would be that you have lot of both. Because Andrew Tate's highest values are success, doing and achieving it makes totally sense why he says that he thinks he is above women. That is actually right from this perspective. Don't get me wrong that I say that men are above women, because that's not what I am trying to say. It's all about what you value in life. If I'd see Anrew Tate from the female energy perspective I'd say that most women are way above him. Even whole relationship thing is based on being with someone who has energy which you don't have until you find it from yourself. Really think about what I just said. Lastly that Andrew Tate has putted aside his female energy side or that he didn't have too much of it to begin with isn't problem if you want to study what he is trying to teach you about male energy. Still you should be very sharp when studying his perspective and worldview. Don't believe everything he says, but try to see what makes sense and what not according to your values. This what I said is true to studying any perspective and listening to anyone. Don't be a sheep which doesn't see structures - which in this scenario are different values - and believes to anyting which someone tells you. Here is one video you could use to see how well polished his worldview actually is With love -joNi- <3

@Bando You're absolute on point. The saying should be rephrased as only achieving for money doesn't make you happy, but having money is useful component in building your favourite life. It starts to feel that not only so called spiritual people don't value money, but they see it as a filthy thing that they don't even want to touch to. What they didn't understand from Leo's video How To Escape Wage Slavery? Oh, but now when spiritual role model is saying the exact same stuff it surprisingly is a good thing.

@hoodrow trillson If you have watched any long podcast with him in it, which I strongly believe that you haven't, you would see that he is enjoying his life, a lot. I don't know what you meant by deluded garbage, because I had my biggest realization of the year just from listening him talking. I can only talk from my own perspective which is that I've really found lot of useful things for me from him. I understand why many people don't get what he's saying and that's why I wanted to show this perspective to others by making this thread and answering to the comments that arise.

@hoodrow trillson That's the point, no one sees that because they're stuck thinking about new ways to disagree with him while he is living awesome life as a top g. That's what I want as well; to have incredible life both spiritually and "materially". To me anything, but perfection isn't enough and I couldn't fathom living a life without another one without any valid reason. What many people don't understand is that it isn't even about what he has achieved, but more like that power to MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. You want to enjoy life by being and doing and that's you choose both energies, ta - da. -joNi-

@Razard86 We already speaked about that stuff and we saw that we have different pespectives so why continue talking about it if you don't purposely try to see what was beeing said. Continuing to disagree doesn't make your perspective any stronger and valid, does it? It is ridiculous to me that someone even disagrees with me while I have a feeling that (s)he doesn't even see what I truly wanted to express. If you're authentucally interested to see and listen my perspective then I can show it to you, if not then stop dissagreeing with the picture that you made in your mind that really isn't what I even wanted to say. Respectfully -joNi-

@Someone here Only people who value your most true beauty are possible your closest friends, family and your girlfriend. If you want others to respect you then provide them things that they value. Be masculine, do bunch of different things and have drive in your life. Don't sit on your ass waiting others to cheer at you. Even you yourself wouldn't that to happen, because it'd feel unnatural and weird. Start achieving things, aim for cool experiences and motivate others. Right now your motivation probably is weak and they don't want to be weak so they don't want to be around you or at least value you. Value is earned not given, bro.

@Someone here Read my post Andrew Tate explained where I introduce 2 notions which are male and female energy and male is that which is lacking from many men now a days and that's why they come off as a weak. This thing is actually very important and should be explained even more deeply than I already did in the original post. It's mindfucking that in spiritual circles they don't teach you this while it's very big part of spirituality and self-help. Spirituality should be holistical perspective of life, but mainstream spirituality aims just for the feminine side which is feeling, being and being relaxed. Of course you feel weak when they fail the teaching ...

@hyruga Doesn't every business work like you pay something and receive service, product or something else? At least for me it works perfectly as a motivator to be more masculine and making things happen. I understand that more spiritual businesses make their imago look very friendly, emphatic and easy to approach. The thing is that I've already watched the video I linked about Andrew Tate and I am watching another one right now and I don't see too many problems in him. For your info I am very good to ready people's personalities.

@zurew Yeah they could invest it more and more, but even they themself know that having lot of money itself doesn't bring any value to their life, but the thing that they buy with it and enjoy them. Watch movie called The Wolf of Wall Street and you may taste what it could be. It also is one of the best movies there is from some perspective. Also you should try to see why we disagree, because there is a lesson in that too. @Nilsi I also don't need these thing including other very basic things, but as I said that if I'd have these things I wouldn't be unhappy from that tho . Being outside of the matrix is more like the thing which I'd like to have. It brings you freedom to express yourself as you want according to your highest values. I don't actually even see how that wouldn't be something what every spiritual person would like to have. It just gives more possibilities.

@zurew Rich people aren't spending their last money on these goodies, but they have so much of it that they don't even know where to put all of it. Also if you are spiritual person I'd say that these experiences and speed of life that you get from being rich and outside of matrix are something which will up your perspective very much about life. Of cource you could think what I said as a excuse, but I am not about to debate about this thing, because it seems that right now all I can do is to show you this perspective and let you do whatever you want, because I can't force you to do anything.

@Scholar Remember that if I value nice things and beautiful moments, it doesn't make you more evolved as a human than me. @soos_mite_ah As I stated on the original post and even answered to another user I am not here to defend or attack him, but to make more sense of this topic in holistic level which makes people connect with each other easier. See that world isn't your buddies versus enemies. There aren't enemies, but just people with different perspectives and if they don't see something which you see then you should go and help them. Hating those other people who you think are your enemies doesn't bring more love to your life tho, remember that.

@zurew I, when I have enough money, because I don't understand why couldn't you have both of them. First reason is that tier 2 people are rare and most of them have used their life merely on spirituality or on something similar. If you get unhappy by buying something nice for yourself, because you think that you could've used that money to someone else then you certainly have some shadow sides that should be given attention, because that's unhealthy. Please show me if I'm missing on something you wanted to show me. @Nilsi Not necessarily tho.

@Scholar Listen, the thing is that I value love and connection (which actually are the same) over anything, but that doesn't change that if I'd make myself succesful, I'd have more resources to live in that universe where I can share love to others. I mean I can buy more goodies for others. In the meantime is it too bad to buy something nice for yourself if you are spending enough to help others anyways? Even helping others is thing you'll exhaust when you do it enough. Maybe you get wrong picture of me, because I am talking about success side of things rather than my normal spiritual side.

@Scholar The thing is that I don't find that lifestyle unattractive at all, but still I'd say I am tier 2 thinker or whatever scale you want to use to value me with. I wouldn't have any problems having couple of beautiful cars in the yard. That doesn't still say that I'd be all for the material stuff and I'd still do spiritual stuff and think about life. Why couldn't you have these unbelievable things that you could enjoy in the meantime? Point of spirtuality imo is not to stop valuing material things, but not to get attached to them while still enjoying them. You don't need to choose between these lifes, but you could have both of them, if you just want enough.

@Razard86 I didn't feel attacked, don't even know where that came from, but my whole point was to show that there are these 2 energies that would be good to be had. Andrew Tate just is an excellent in his masculine energy side and that is what many of us lack and should aim to have more of. Also I tried to explain the concept that fire can be dangerous if you don't know how to use it and so are lot of other things. If you restrict yourself from these things instead of learning to work with them I think it is not the most optimal route and you are left with lot of missing things in life.

@Carl-Richard Yeah, but then there is a beautiful perspective; if you can have this level of crazy life being stupid, what life could you have being smart. It's that most of us don't really use the masculine energy that I presented on the original post and that is what we need to start doing more, if we want to have life full of things which we wanted. I mean you can just alone use feminine energy, meditate and gain love to universe and "win" life that way, but most of us still want to do something with our lifes and that's when you need to see what others have done to make you motivated.

@8gates You can only love or hate that picture of what is presented of someone, if you don't know him/her personally. What I found from fast glance was that Dan Bilzerian has done more stupid things which actually are harmful for others directly for example throwing girl from his rooftop and breaking her ankle. Also the thing is that Andrew Tate actually teaches things, but Dan just lives a crazy life which isn't bad thing per se. It's not about do they have similar lifestyle, but what are the values and how much harm they make to others on the way and is it purposeful or that you don't see what harm you made.

@StarStruck Could you elaborate your perspective little bit more?

@Osaid Again one great response to this thread, thanks from that.

@Carl-Richard Exactly! Both male and female energy feel very good and even better when combined. It is just all about the values. -joNi-

@undeather We talk again and it is nice to see that you have really holistic way to look at this thing. I also like Andrew Tate and a lot. There isn't any problem liking him, because liking something doesn't straight mean that you agree with everything he says. Probably there is only one guy who you agree everything with and it's you, yourself. Having unhealthy masculinity means that you lack energy in femininity side and vice versa. Your reply is exactly what I waited there to come when I wrote that post. Thanks -joNi-

@seriousman24 Yeah, it is useful to see how others live, because it is perspective of how life could be lived. I don't say that you should copy it or deny it completely, but I say that it opens your mind to such possibilites. There is something to learn from all new perspectives and that's the beauty of life. You can learn something everyday if you're just open to these chances. Connor and Tate are good, because they show you how powerful you can be in súccess scale if you'd just want it enough.

@Nilsi Yes, you're absolutely correct that it's like playing with fire when listening to people like Andrew Tate. It's only problematic when you don't know what you should know about the fire and that's the reason I am teaching how the fire works. Actually we agree more than you thought in the beginning. Congratulations for seeing that! It would be fun to talk with you more and your more open way of discussing makes it even better. Thanks for understanding -joNi-

@Nilsi That's not what I said and you know that. You're just trying to make me look fool by using Straw man argument. I ask you nicely to change your tone, because right now it is not really holistical and spiritual. If you want to argue about this thing go somewhere else, because point of this post is to build bridge between perspectives as it was already stated in the original post itself. You may not like what I said, but at least respect me as any grown adult would do. Much love to you .