Harlen Kelly

I agree that expecting women to give you sex can be very toxic and damaging for these desperate men. But this is just survival at play No different than the desire of the vast majority of women to have a monogamous relationship. Women don't owe men sex. Men don't owe women a monogamous relationship. @Emerald How would you go about improving the sexual relationships between men and women at a societal level without compromising the liberties and dignity of either party given that an increasingly percentage of the population is unable to get sexual relationships? Do you see the increasingly percentage of people unable to socialize as an issue? How would you go about solving it collectively and consciously? If I am not mistaken, currently 1/3 of the male population in their 30s are virgins. That used to be around 10% in 2010.

You fundamentally misunderstand the process of learning attraction and becoming an attractive man. You cannot, for whatever reason, wrap your head around it. You also misunderstand or are in denial of what attracts women.

What solution do you propose?

@Emerald ''But why can I not have women as a commodity? What's wrong with women as a commodity?'' (sarcasm) I can hear the guy saying.

@SageModeAustin Ideally you learn how to be attractive in general so that you are not dependent on this one girl.

It all boils down to: Talk to girls and stop the mental jerk offs.

@Windappreciator Put simply, the guy is putting his needs away to allow for a sexless relationship, which you agree with.

@Windappreciator Definitions of codependency vary, but typically include high self-sacrifice, a focus on others' needs over your own needs, suppression of one's own emotions, and attempts to control or fix other people's problems.

@Windappreciator I think this might be news for you but one of the main elements of sexual relationships is sex. You really believe being a doormat is somehow advanced or are you just playing thought experiments?

@Windappreciator Codependency is not love, is lack of consciousness. This is fairly obvious.

Fairly typical.

@Aaron Truth Statistically speaking the odds are heavily against your relationship working. I hope it works out.

@Windappreciator Or maybe, just maybe, you are defending codependent, pathetic behavior because you yourself are codependent. There is nothing conscious or sophisticated about being codependent. That is not ''spiritual''. Being codependent is the lowest common denominator.

@Windappreciator And you don't think accepting that preposition is what a weak, pathetic, codependent guy would do or do you think a guy with options would accept that?

@Windappreciator What would you do if your partner told you there will be no sex in the relationship? Would you accept that preposition or would you look for another partner?

@Peter Miklis You have arrived to a healthy and holistic perspective of porn. There are excesses in porn, does not mean that you vilify the entirety of porn. Doing so would create a fragmentation and denial of the innate desires humans have for sexual expressions.

@Tanterra Lol

1 - I would not have an issue with it because I don't have a neurotic relationship with sex or porn. 2 - Open your mind to the possibility that a significant percentage of women do porn because they want to do porn, and not because they are being exploited. That's some mental gymnastics you made up to vilify porn. Your attitudes towards sex, masturbation and porn, and the attitudes of a religious fudamentalist towards sex, masturbation and porn are very similar.

@SgtPepper Porn is banned in most Arab countries. You are very deep and deluded into the nofap movement, I don't think I will be able to get you out of it. One day you will realize that sexual repression is indicative of a low level of psychological development, it does not work, most men who are obsessed with it are simply having a neurotic overreaction due to their lack of options with women, and most men who are already successful with the opposite sex are not doing mental jerk offs about how unethical porn or masturbation is. But anyways, I hope it works out for you (spoiler alert, it won't because sexual repression does not lead to consciousness).

@Opo What do you mean? Do you think only superhumans are confident, charismatic, grounded and have options with the opposite sex?

@SgtPepper Why do you think humans become more sexually open as they become more psychologically developed? For example if you study the least developed countries, you will notice that these countries neurotically suppress their sexuality, on the other hand, the most developed countries in Europe are the most sexually liberated countries (countries with the highest human development index). As you can see, humans tend to become more sexually open as they become more developed, not the other way around. Why is that?

@Jacob Morres Becoming confident, passionate, grounded, charismatic, etc.. is not ''self denial''. That is some incoherent mental gymnastics you just made. ''There's nothing wrong with being that, we all go through that stuff'' In the absolute sense, there is nothing wrong with anything for that matter. In the relative sense, that behavioral pattern will create unnecessary suffering, therefore, there is definitely a lot wrong with that.

Makes sense.

@intotheblack I was talking about in general about men who put up with their partner denying sex.

@SgtPepper Is taking a dump or taking a nap a high conscious activity? If not, why do you do them?