Harlen Kelly

Ejaculation does not make me feel weaker at all. I can go exercise immediately after a session of sex or fap.

@Preety_India The idea of soulmates is a fantastical idea that withers away eventually. There is no ''soulmate''. You can have a deep emotional bond with a preponderance of people, not just one.

Lack of exercise can lead to rapid exhaustion and lack of energy in general. If masturbation or ejaculation is affecting your energy levels so much, you need to focus more on your diet and daily activities.

I assume you did not use to exercise regularly before then, right?

Do you exercise regularly?

Most mature, immature, conscious, unconscious heterosexual men are mainly attracted to youthful, beautiful women, who they choose as their partner is another story. 20-year-olds, 30-year-olds, 40-year-olds. Your attempt to call it ''immature'' is an unconscious defense mechanism and delusion which you have to believe in order to be in denial about this fundamental aspect of attraction for men. Denial tactics and moralization are not as advanced or ''mature'' as you think. There is nothing conscious or holistic about your stance on this topic.

Sorry to break it to you, even though I have said however many times already it needs to be said again, how you look will be the primary attraction trigger for heterosexual men including conscious men. And guess what? Infantile and stubborn denial about inherent characteristics of the sexes will not change said characteristics. No amount of demonization or moralization and denial will change this. Which if you were more conscious, you would not be engaging in this denial.

Yet the main the attraction trigger is her appearance regardless of how conscious the man is, other qualities are important the more conscious the man is. You will stop being in denial about this once you grow more.

This is denial and delusion. The main -- ATTRACTION -- trigger for men including conscious men is looks, which does not imply that he will base his decision to have a relationship only on how attractive the woman is but her looks are 210% the main -- ATTRACTION -- trigger, not her maturity or psychological development, those are very good qualities but those qualities alone do not elicit -- ATTRACTION --, they must be accompanied by sexual attraction. I am talking about attraction here. As I said before, to think otherwise is denial and deception. This is silly to argue, quite frankly.

No, you are simply in denial and behaving irrationally. My claim is the following: the main attraction trigger for most men including conscious men is looks (youthfulness and attractiveness). To which you said: ''Your point has been that men are attracted to youth and beauty and that this is the main attraction trigger. It is not true''. You are not looking as intelligent as you might think you are by being in denial about this. Emerald responded: ''Men are universally attracted to youth and beauty. There is no argument there''. If you want to continue holding unfounded, fantastical and erratic ideological positions, do you. I am done for now.

I agree with you on this, but you keep saying that etherial is not in denial about one of the main points of this conversation which she clearly is.

@Emerald It's very clear and evident she is arguing against, she stated it literally by saying ''it is not true''. Older women are more rigorous with their selection, I have stated that since the beginning, that does not make them more selective than younger women. Granted the younger woman will not choose the best option but she has significantly more options and is therefore more selective.

I am flabbergasted that somebody could deny this. This has been known since the inception of human beings.

Conventional beauty is 110% the main attraction trigger, there are other factors that are taking into account the mature and conscious a man becomes but conventional or ''superficial'' beauty is 200% the main attraction trigger, weather you like it or not. @Emerald As you can see, etheral does not agree and has not conceded to this integral point of the conversation even though you already have.

You conceded to it, Etherial is still arguing against it. Regarding selectiveness, it's actually pretty simple and you conceded to this as well: Older mature women have a smaller pool of men to choose from, therefore, they are less selective by virtue of the fact that they have less options but they are more rigorous with their selection which makes the options available for them even smaller. I said this on my first response to you: ''They might apply selectiveness more rigorously with the options they do have due to experience and maturity''.

That's false, quote it. Let me see it. ''But you’re now (because you’ve moved the goalposts) arguing for something that Ethereal Cat and I don’t disagree with. And that doesn’t make sense.'' False, my point has always been clear and precise since the beginning of the conversation. ''If looks (youth and beauty) is the main attraction trigger for men as you say, then why are these men not with 20 year old girls with big tits?'' This was written by etheral, as you can see she is still arguing the point that you have already conceded, implying that youth and beauty is not the main attraction trigger.

Are you implying that a very conscious heterosexual man would look at a big pair of tits and not find it attractive? They would not sleep with them, but they will undoubtedly find them attractive which is the point I am making. I am not talking about relationships or a consideration for one, I am talking about the main attraction triggers for men which is primarily looks including the conscious, heterosexual men.

The more mature and conscious a man becomes, the more he will value things like compatibility and capacity for intimacy, but attraction is involuntary and automatic and as you already conceded, most men are attracted to youth and beauty. That does not mean a more conscious man will only take that into account when choosing a partner, but it DOES mean that he will primarily be attracted to young, beautiful women. A point I would like to make, your continuous bashing of the primary attraction trigger of men using labels such as ''lame'' or ''creep'' does not show a holistic, integral perspective of this topic, it shows a neurotic reaction to the topic, simply because that's what most men are attracted to and no amount of moralization or demonization will change that fact.

He might not form a relationship with an immature woman, but a hot young woman will surely elicit attraction on most men, including conscious men. Because attraction for men happens automatically, instantaneously and visually. Why does that fact trigger you so much? Is it because you are aging? If you did not derive your sense of self from your appearance, this should not affect you emotionally at all.

No, I am very clearly and specifically talking about what most men are attracted to, not what ''unattractive'' women are attracted to. Demonizing and moralizing about the fact that most men (including conscious men) are primarily attracted to youthfulness and attractiveness in women is both irrational and counter productive. Not only is it irrational, it's also a neurotic defense mechanism you unconsciously use instead of comprehending the subject at hand. It would be the equivalent of getting mad at a cat for mowing.

@Emerald This thread is not limited to the particular angle through which you want to approach the conversation. It is not limited to your ''biases''. Why? Because this is an open forum. This is obvious and should not have to be stated. I addressed your point about a conscious man forming a relationship with an immature but hot young woman on my response to @Etherial Cat.

1 - This was not a response to your comment, it was a response to hers. Read the conversation again. 2 - I am not talking about relationships, I am talking about the primary attraction trigger for most men (including conscious men)

By attraction I meant physical attraction, I am not talking about the inherent beauty of people or objects that transcends their physical appearance, I am talking specifically about the desire to have sexual relationships with somebody that is elicited automatically and instantaneously in the case of men. You are confusing they way you get attracted to men with the way men get attracted to women. The level of ''maturity'' of a woman is not the primary trigger of attraction for men, what most men are attracted to physically (including conscious men) is the looks of the woman, that accounts for most of the attraction. That obviously does not mean that the maturity and level of development of the woman is not important, but those variables alone DO NOT elicit attraction in men because as I said attraction is elicited automatically and instantaneously in men by the looks of the woman. Youth and attractiveness is and will always be (at least in our lifetime) the main attraction trigger of men (including conscious men) because that is how attraction works for men (which I honestly thought that a woman your age should've figured this out by now). There are more attraction triggers but appearance is undoubtedly the main one for most men. If you sit and meditate for 10,000 hours, the sensation of hunger does not disappear just because you became more conscious, analogously, just because you become very conscious and developed psychologically does not mean that a perfectly voluminous pair of tits of a 20-year-old will not elicit attraction on you. Why? Because attraction for men happens automatically, instantaneously, and visually. Would a very conscious person get with an immature and hot 20 year old? That's another story but the hot 20 year old will for sure and 100% certainty -- ELICIT/TRIGGER -- attraction on most men.

By the way, I was referring specifically to attractiveness, I was not talking about the value of an older or younger woman since value is a very idiosyncratic and subjective notion. Question 1 - Do you think that most men (including conscious men who have practiced spirituality for a significant amount of time) experience attraction primarily for youthful, attractive women? Is that a truthful statement for you? 2 - Is attraction for youthful, attractive women inherently predatory or ''evil''?

What is the world showing you that should be the standard for beauty? If I am not mistaken, brands use women from all races that are attractive.