Agoy

What'd you pursue if you were given £100 million tomorrow, after buying material pleasures, property, etc?

Opinions on the optimal term to describe 'this work' Self-Help? Personal Development? Self-Actualization? Self-Improvement? Any others? And why?

So in essence both are pointing towards the same thing and it doesn't matter which is used?

Is projection preferable over perception?

Very meta - takes you out of your own lens and allows you to view yourself and your life objectively. That's without going into the K-Hole which is something else entirely

an unordinary pursuit requires an emotionally compelling reason to succeed, perhaps contemplate whether you have one for continuing with this work

chances of ego death will certainly be increased, I'd say a lot depends on how ready you are for that

I wasn't referring to Actualized.org I'm not trying to define the terms either, I was asking for opinions on which is the most optimal

and yeah I agree that all terms lead to the same path providing one goes far enough down the rabbit hole

@melodydanielluna that's an interesting take

It's all comparable, it's just context dependant; the ego would have still developed in similar ways. Women's rights were debated during the romantic era, and concerns for environmentalism and anti-capitalism were expressed too, just differently. Romanticism also wasn't reflective of an entire society, so it didn't have systems to create. It was rather just a culture discussing new ideas contrary to that of mainstream society, so a counterculture-in-and-of-itself

you could say it was ahead of its time. obviously, western society hadn't exhausted orange, as technology hadn't advanced anywhere close to orange's potential. but just cos society hadn't evolved to that level doesn't mean the romantic movement, or any movement, can't think beyond where society is at the 1960's counterculture is a great example of that, which was green (with the Port Huron statement incorporating yellow) in a society that was definitely not

1. it started a little after 2. they are not the same thing, the romantic movement was not a 'recreational activity' it doesn't matter if two movements co-existed during a similar period of time, most movements did what we're talking about is what the romantic movement represented, not where it may or may not have came from

@Woke456 you're not talking about romanticism, you're talking about the industrial revolution. romanticism was a move away from the industrial revolution because it held different values.

@Woke456 you're looking at it wrong, it's about the way they perceived their own existence in the universe if you study romantic poets, they literally moved away from mainstream culture to experience the profundity of nature. this is what 'the sublime' is all about it's that feeling of being just a spec among the immeasurable beast that is existence, for lack of better words

i guess what i mean is, each awakening may be infinite in and of itself, but the understanding of that infinity can itself go on for infinity, making 'complete' understanding impossible to be sure of, at least when experienced as a human @RMQualtrough

@RMQualtrough I agree! the source of existence runs through everything I'm just saying that when one reaches God-realization, aka self-awareness that we're infinite consciousness, it can't be known that it's 'Complete' God-Realization, aka infinite self-awareness that we're infinite consciousness, as it's: coming from our human minds, not as the source itself detached from everything to say that is to say you couldn't reach deeper levels of awakening, which would mean awakening is not infinite if there's a threshold how would you know there's a threshold? you'd just think you've reached it, but you'd never know for sure who knows what else is out there in the universe that could help us reach deeper levels, or could help other species reach deeper levels. the truth is we don't know whether things of the like may exist

@Woke456 Romanticism was a rejection of orange Romanticism is green, mixed with blue depending on whether the romantic was religious or not

First of all, I think you've handled the situation well, I think it's good to address these issues and not shy away from recent events by making a video I ofc don't think you condone suicide, or that anyone on this forum is responsible for the man's death. that said, I do think the forum would be better if everyone were to speak in riddles less and celebrate the beauty of human existence more as for the quote above, it's a weird one because I love what you teach and agree with a lot of the things, especially regarding psychology, politics and personal development, but spirituality too mostly. however, I still question some statements you make like saying you've reached 'Complete God-Realization', with the issue purely being the use of the word 'Complete', and not you saying you're God-realized, as: 1.) To me, that would mean existing as pure infinite consciousness, not as Leo experiencing pure infinite consciousness from Leo's mind inside Leo's body, and so you haven't actually become infinite consciousness outside of the mind or body 2.) To me, 'complete God realization' would mean to know what is unknowable to humans, like where existence came from, how existence came to be, things that we can only speculate on as humans, but that actual infinite consciousness would have experienced 3.) you've said the same exact words during previous awakenings, when at the time they were your deepest ones, only to then say the previous time wasn't 'complete God realization' after a deeper awakening, and that this new time is. and no this isn't me not getting that each awakening was complete in and of itself, I get that, that's not what I'm denying, I'm denying that you are completely god-realized because you imo you can't possibly know whether or not you could become more 'God-realized' or not, and therefore imo can never you're 'completely' God-realized' , especially when claiming so as a human 3.) you claim you achieved this after 130-ish awakenings, but don't know what'd happened after, say, a 1000 4.) you've said many times that there are infinite degrees of awakening, so how'd you know you've reached the end 5.) as I've said before, think of all the psychedelics that could exist throughout the universe that could enable deeper God-Realization, or all the other species that could be more evolved at experiencing consciousness compared to us 6.) you always return to you after experiencing God, whereas imo to reach 'Complete God-realization' would be to be infinite for infinity I also have a bit of an issue with how questions are avoided sometimes, like in this image, rather than acknowledging the possibilty of other psychedelics in space, or even the existence of space itself, you just said 'all of that is imaginary', which whilst I obviously know you're getting at the fact we imagine space as a thought when we think of it, to me that's a fruitless statement in the context of that conversation, as I could say the 5-meo is imaginary, or the supermarket is imaginary, but you still use 5-meo to experience God, and the supermarket to eat, just like space is still there when you call it imaginary, and so it's really saying nothing when you say that and is just an easy way to avoid objections lastly, I have a slight hesitance towards how people so dogmatically claim that 'all that exists is what the mind imagines/is conscious of', when for the mind to be able to imagine in the first place it must be supported by a beating heart, and to say the heart doesn't exist because the mind isn't imagining it seems counterproductive, as the mind can not imagine without the beating heart, and is to be dogmatic about the word exist, which means 'to live, to have reality', which you could say the heart does through itself. to say it doesn't exist, or the universe doesn't exist, when they're not being imagined, is to ignore the fact that all imagination is happening within the universe, which is non-negotiable and which we're always rooted too, so it just seems problematic to make claims so dogmatically just because we're constructing our own subjective experiences. imo just because the mind is constructing what it's experiencing doesn't mean the other things in the universe that the mind isn't experiencing are non-existent. I think a better way to phrase 'all that exists is what the mind imagines/is conscious of' would be 'all one experiences is what the mind imagines/is conscious of' this may seem like a lot, but really it's a few objections I'm sceptical of, in comparison to hundreds of things I do agree with

@actualizing25 society, especially in western culture, is set up such a way that by the time you're an adult, you've already got an extremely complicated web of beliefs of how to achieve what you want in life, all stemming from the ego talk of enlightenment, or even spirituality in general, threatens a lot of these beliefs, and doesn't seem like a realistic solution to the ego's sense of reality, which oftentimes is deeply indoctrinated in its set worldview, and so something as big enlightenment just sounds ridiculous, especially when the worldview of those who explain it is so far from the worldview of most people in society this is where spiral dynamics is so helpful, and is why a lot of people who go down this path do so after something big like a trip or heartbreak. it's easy to forget how we'd of reacted to this stuff 5 years before we became interested in it this video is a really enlightening example of the disparity between an arguably enlightened worldview and a materialistic one I actually think a lot of enlightened and spiritual teachers do a fairly poor job of bridging the gap, which is both a ginormous and ginormously complicated challenge

i'd say yeah spending time together in person is the best way to get to know someone we're social creatures after all, so much is lost through technology as for some good ways to connect - doing all sorts of different things together asking open-ended, creative, thought-provoking questions being as fearlessly authentic as possible consciously listening to what they have to say & considering where they're coming from

@SageModeAustin dude be authentic always! embracing your feminine side is the most masculine thing you can do because true masculinity is irrevocable self-love 'trying to be alpha' isn't masculine at all because it comes from insecurity

respect for posting about this, i think it's quite a common issue i think you care too much about how they perceive you, which in my experience comes from a lack of love for yourself if you truly love yourself, then you won't give a fuck about what they think, because it'd be a disservice to yourself to not be authentic i don't think you'd even need to stop them in the first line in that kinda way, cos that's letting them control your emotional state i'd just wait til they finish and then just tell them exactly what you think without compromising at all

This is such a ridiculous fucking statement, and just fundamentally not true if people have a healthy, mindful relationship with porn then that's ok but nofap is also completely fine and hugely beneficial to loads of people for many different reasons it's not exclusive to non-spiritual people, just like it's not exclusive to spiritual people either everyone has different relationships with their bodies and their sexuality, there's not one answer fits all

@Roy good advice it's a self-acceptance issue. you gotta accept it and realise you had no ill intentions when it happened. if you're having intrusive thoughts that are making you question yourself then know they are not you, they just use your life story to make you fear that you're your biggest fears a good way to detach is by using the mind to counteract how intrusive thoughts infiltrate the mind of humans as a species, so view it as intrusive thoughts on human, not thoughts on you the person if you can detach yourself from them and ground yourself in the knowledge and self-love that you were young and were just being a kid, then you''ll be able to get over it. psychedelics can be really good for self-love. also affirmations + journaling every day for a month of reminding yourself that you were being a kid and that you love yourself can retrain your subconscious mind into knowing that