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Gesundheit2 replied to Theperciever's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Knowledge Hoarder There's poetry in my native language literature that praises fat women. The fatter was the better, and the reasoning behind this is that they were perceived as healthier and coming from richer environments, therefore they are more fit for pregnancy. Humanity is more diverse than how it is portrayed nowadays. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Theperciever's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Some level of fatness is healthy, despite what mainstream media advocates. Skinny women are not healthy, they are weak. They know it themselves before everyone else. -
Gesundheit2 replied to ardacigin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
How deeply suffering can get is infinite, and therefore it's irrelevant for our human purposes, because it's outside of our control. Spiritual work is not about making outlandish feats in regards to withstanding horrible levels of suffering. It's about incorporating higher wisdom into daily human life in order to reduce unnecessary suffering that's within our control. Lolz. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Labels have minor metaphysical importance to me, if any. In practical terms, altered states is a term that refers to states of consciousness that aren't typical to human experience according to most humans. An enlightened master is not in a normal state, they're most likely in an altered state that is likely more functional/healthier than the average sober state. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Advaita does not recognize different states. Thanks. I couldn't have put it better. -
It's the same when you want to quit a job that doesn't resonate with you anymore. Nobody can force-hire you. You don't want that job and that's just it. There's no way they can get you back unless they meet your standards, which are likely hard to meet to begin with if you are the one wanting the breakup. The last time I quit a job, the boss was asking me why, I told him the reason, and he started bargaining and gaslighting that this and this will happen. I told him, I understand all that, but I've already made up my mind. He said I'm not stopping you from leaving, I'm just telling you the outcome. I told him that I'm sure about my decision. He did another maneuver and I replied in a similar way, then he got it. It's not hard if you know you have valid reasons.
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Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Would you say they are "higher" or "lower" states? Or simply just altered? -
Gesundheit2 replied to ardacigin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Actually it makes me question your level of attainment/embodiment. The more conscious I am getting, the less I am suffering in general. That doesn't mean I don't suffer at all, or that I imagine someday I will stop suffering for good, that's silly. Mild suffering is okay, and it's actually good because it creates the necessary contrast for me to recognize pleasure and appreciate it. But suffering plenty is an indicator of something being wrong that needs to be fixed. So, if you do suffer a lot, you should be wary that you are not as advanced as you think you are. And in my opinion the same goes for those who claim that they don't suffer at all, or that 0 suffering is the goal of spiritual work. It's fishy and not realistic. -
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Gesundheit2 replied to Theperciever's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
By the way, I know women who have developed anorexia out of fear of getting fat. JP might be a psychologist, but apparently his materialist ideology goes deeper than his psychological understanding. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Theperciever's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
Using B/W in 2019 is backwards. Yet nobody's complaining. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Theperciever's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
He's delusional, drunk on materialist scientism. -
Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I have never thought of any of the altered states I've experienced so far as "higher" or "lower" in any way, really just altered. I've experienced depression for years and then euphoria for months straight. The main "high" and "low" that I would attribute to those states were on the emotional level, as in I was in a low mood, then a high/elated mood. And that's it. Now, I experience highs more often during and after meditation. Sometimes I experience lows, but not so much. But the point is that your description of higher states sounds arbitrary to me. On the other hand, brain functionality seems to correspond to altered states accordingly, so "higher" states tend to be more creative and focused but come with the risk of delusional thoughts, while "lower" states tend to be less creative and more contracted, with the downside of closed-mindedness. As for functionality, in retrospect I would say that the euphoric state had a negative effect on my human life and functionality, but the same applies to the depressed state, although in a different way. So by no means I would claim that just because it'd produced higher mood then it should hinder human functionality. In fact, and like I said above, the more conscious I am becoming, the more functional my human life is getting. So again, it seems arbitrary to assume that higher consciousness hinders functionality. It would be more accurate (from my pov) to say that altered states do hinder human functionality, while higher consciousness can correct and set it back on track. So yes, ALTERED states are definitely out of alignment with basic survival. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with the "higher" quality that you're attaching to the altered states. Sure you might feel high, that's what most people feel when they smoke some recreational drug. Doesn't mean that they now possess higher consciousness, nor that they did during the high. We conventionally refer to radio waves as higher and lower in frequency. But that's just a convention. In reality, higher and lower are arbitrary, and can be flipped upside-down. The same here with consciousness. What you refer to as high-consciousness/low-functional can be referred to as low-consciousness/low-functional, if we take functionality as the criterion for judgement. After all, how do you distinguish between high and low consciousness? -
Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Gesundheit2 replied to Gesundheit2's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If it is like that, then why do you claim that the ultimate goal of this work is to keep drinking water till death? That sounds different from the kind of functionality you were talking about above. Before it was not possible to walk and talk with high consciousness, but now it seems like it is possible and there's no contradiction. -
I'm not sure whether this is high or low consciousness. Sounds arbitrary.
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Consider that maybe this "absolute consciousness" is not the ultimate truth that Peter is referring to. Your psychedelic/ultimate truth seems different, because it seems to suggest that there is no Peter to be right or wrong, nor psychedelics to take or reject, nor anyone to awaken or sleep. Yet, here you are using the relative framework from the relative consciousness that Peter seems to be speaking from.
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Being suicidal or not seems more like a shift in perspective. Though, I've never been suicidal or used substances so I wouldn't really know. Anyway, this may be a valid use of psychedelics, or it may be a counter-indication that was lucky once.
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Why would you credit the increase to them, though? You could've achieved the same results or even better if you spent the same amount of time on the same practices sober. How would you know that they're the producer of the results?
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All of this seems already addressed above in the quote.
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Fact of life: The masculine is an enhanced version of the feminine. It is superior and more compatible with life. That's just the way it is. However, it cannot exist without the feminine. The feminine is the source of the masculine, and the masculine is only an extension of the feminine. The extension can only be as good as its source, and can only go as far as the source allows. Better femininity = better masculinity. But masculinity > femininity. It's like having a dick vs. not having a dick. Dick > Pussy. But pussy is the origin of dick.
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I don't use psychedelics and my consciousness is only ever increasing. If what you're saying is true, then chances are it's not a side effect of psychedelics, but of something else related to practice.
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You said many times that psychedelics do not increase baseline levels of consciousness.
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