Gesundheit2

Tier two, not Green. You can't be a tier two farmer, you just don't have time for meta reflection. But you can be a tier two CEO that runs various farms. Tier two is reserved for the people who specialize in thinking. You're dreaming if you think you can get there otherwise. Instead, why don't you give me newer alternatives to SD (please no more integral stuff)? Why is everyone here always stuck with SD? You're explaining Muqaddimah through SD lens. It doesn't work like that. Every theory stands on its own and explains itself. I only explained it in SD terms to make it more understandable. But you should be wise enough not to interpret it through that lens or to take it literally. SD separates the individualistic stages (Beige, Red, Orange) and the collective stages (Purple, Blue, Green), which is the key difference between SD and Muqaddimah. Muqaddimah considers each triplet one stage. And he is correct for that, because essentially each triplet manifest in a unique way, either individualistic oriented, or collectivist, and that's precisely the point. You need both components to make a functional society. You can't have all individualistic oriented or all collectivists. Regardless of the center of gravity, it's always either this or that. A functional society consists of an equally impactful amount of each, which creates a proper balance that makes right conditions for prosperity and growth. Once that balance is skewed in any which direction, say bye bye to society. Also, Green existed in every large enough society that have been stable for an enough period of time. Values like: equality, peace, harmony, connection, compassion, love, etc. have always existed. And they're all Green values. SD is not reinventing the wheel here. All tier one values exist in every society, and to a large extent. Most of the times, Purple, Blue, and Green come together as one entity. You can't really separate magical thinking from religious thinking from idealistic thinking. All grounded in emotions. And same thing for their counterpart stages, only all grounded in logic instead. It's only tier two values that are rare and only exist in the top <1% of the population, who tend to be intellectuals most of the times.

After many discussions with a conspiracy theorist, I was able to make him come to a settlement that it could be aliens instead of elites.

Does Leo hate me? I wonder. I have a feeling that he does.

Because his model is more realistic and accurate than SD. SD is an unsustainable utopian dream that will prove its limitations sooner than you imagine. No society has ever stepped beyond Green. Green is the last stage for a society, then it collapses. Tier two can never be realized in mainstream society, only in individuals. And these individuals are mostly the top scientists and philosophers who are aware of metaphysics. Hypothetically, even if tier two could somehow become mainstream, society would still collapse nevertheless, and that's the point. It's impossible to have a society made solely of thinkers. You need all other kinds of people to make a functional society. You need farmers and builders and soldiers and butchers and writers and teachers and students and principals and doctors and engineers and all sorts of people who can't possibly waste their time on metaphysics because they're busy doing their own jobs. And you need people who can dedicate their time to study metaphysics and inform all the others (researchers, philosophers, gurus, etc...). Unfortunately, some people have the time to study SD, but they skim through other models and dismiss them casually because they're old or whatnot.

Authority is a denial of the physical and a seeking of the metaphysical. It's a movement away from materialism and towards idealism. That's why it always collapses in the end. What is it for? Survival of the weakest physically by shifting power dynamics from physical to mental.

I'm just bullshitting around.

I'm saying Orange, not Green. Orange is the best stage. See below: Here's an alternative model to SD: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah

@Enlighten Secular dictatorship; Law enforced by the police and army. What are all governments (including western) but that? Either you agree to follow the law, or you get treated. The only difference between a religious government and a secular one is that each of them operates with different values, which makes different rules. But in the big picture, they're exactly the same. There's a set of laws that you have to follow, or you're a criminal. This is where Spiral Dynamics got it right. A stage Orange government is higher/better than a stage Blue one, because it's more inclusive. Orange allows the co-existence of different religious views, as they're all subjects to the same law. Blue doesn't, and it's racist against certain groups, and oppressive to everyone. Taliban is a Mafia, or an armed gang/militia; Stage Red individuals who got together because of ideology, and hijacked the country and took control of all of its resources. Governments are stage Orange opportunists who did exactly the same thing. The difference is as clear as day. A secular government would work if those radicals/criminals were exterminated. I didn't know about the Deobandi movement. Thanks for the input. Muhammad's wife was a business woman before she even married him. He worked for her for a period of time, and then she offered him marriage because of his integrity, at least that's what we've been taught. It's important to note that slavery was prominent at that point, so SD doesn't apply. Women slaves, for example, were not allowed to cover their breasts. Covering the breasts was an advantage that only free women had. Free women were allowed to choose their husband, while slave women were sex slaves, bought and sold against their will.

A secular system inclusive of religion will survive. Just get rid of those radicals first.

I say there's a fine line between being high and being drunk.

@Hulia Americans don't have to deal with the immigrants, so why would it matter to them? Trust me, no matter how "developed" a person may claim to be, they're still mainly operating from a survival standpoint. So, what would be most beneficial to an American citizen? American government spending money on fighting terrorism? Or spending that money on them? Same thing for you, what's most beneficial to you as a German citizen? More immigrants? Or less? Same thing for me, what's most beneficial for me as a Middle-Easterner? More support for ISIS? Or less?

I can assure you it's 90%+ from personal experience. Civilians have no power against armed militias. What are they gonna do? Protest and get killed? Or fight and get killed as well? Hippies just don't, and won't, understand

I swear I will do it, no matter how hard and painful it is. For my brother - the only person I care about. I hate to see him in pain. Just you wait. You will be avenged. I will make you forget all these times. I promise. One day, we will look back together, and laugh. One day. Trust me.

It's about belief, and repetition. The mantras have to be meaningful and you have to send them from your heart/lungs. If you just repeat empty words from your tongue, without deep breaths, then it's probably not gonna do much.

Mantras, bro. One of the most powerful techniques to shift states of consciousness.

Nobody can teach the truth. On another note... The only real challenges are the physical challenges of the physical world. Psychology my ass.

A way of living life that maximizes your potential as a human being.

Don't trust it. Nobody is forcing you to.

I can't differentiate between radicalism and moderation anymore.

If it's really convincing, then why are you discussing it?

You're not a jerk. It doesn't work.

I shouldn't have started learning JS frameworks this early. I'm not comprehending anything, virtually. This guy explains the path I should take. Going back to advanced JS.

@Windappreciator Nice!

That I created. Devil.