machiavelli

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    Hello, I was wondering about morality. Is right or wrong human construction? We are taught what to do , how to behave in society, How to think , How to treat other people since birth. But do you really think if I did something wrong than Karma will punish me?

    How is this reality even working? If everything equates to love. Everything is love. Then how reality even do justice?

    Have you ever wondered?

    I had been studying NDE's since a long time. And they also shows how our actions affect others . For example 40% of Nde'rs Experienced Life Review after their death. It was shown on panoramic screen every thing they did since birth , their words , their actions and how it affect others. It was shown from both the point of view of experiencer and other person at the same time. Like he reviews his past life on earth with everybody's perspective by becoming everybody at the same time. This was accompanied by the white light which runs all review infront of him. It is most painful experience of the NDE. 

    Now you teach that every thing is love. Even if you rape or muder someone it is still love. Even if you did something wrong it is love.

    Then why their is soo difference in your teaching and one NDE shows after death of the person ?

    I am confused here. How can I liberate myself? If I even dont know if karmic justice exist or not.

    Just think for a second . If everything is love and their is no evil then how the heck is this reality running?

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    @ilja How can you be soo blind that you cant see the damage the religion has done since the beginning of time in the name of faith.

    How many people religion has liberated till now? There are billions of people across the world who are into idol worshiping of some sky being. 

    Only few people who transcended their religious traditions and belief really got close to Truth.

    For ex- LEO. 

    For others their mythology is their belief . They think what is written in their scriptures is ultimate truth. They worship it . And then they carry on with their day to day life. Simple.

    Do you think there is any scope of any Truth?

     

  7. Posted

    8 hours ago, Galyna said:

    I agree, God is finite and infinite at the same time. God is form and formless at the same time. You can’t fathom singularity itself, therefore we need dualism. What is black without white? Can you really perceive infinite without finite? See how two create One ☝️ or One is ultimately incapsulates Two* Infinity!!!! It is all one, however God needs to partition Itself to experience the opposite, to experience Itself in all manifestation ❤️
     

    @machiavelli God is a stone, God is a thought, God is everything and also God is nothing at the same time. 
    your mind tries to divide. Look at the whole picture...

    But it becomes problem when you shove mythology into the idols. 

    It becomes problems when religion teaches you some sky being created humans and universe which has to be worshipped using idols.

    It becomes problem when billions of people have faith over it and get offended if we say something about their religion and their gods.

    Better to clarify from the starting what God is . Rather than shoving mythology into your mouth since birth.

     

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    I had been meditating since quite a long time. And want to access more deeper states of consciousness . I cant have access to psychedelic as its illegal in my country.

    How can I reach total stillness and silence 24x7?

    How can I reach deepest state of consciousness (Without using Psychedelic ) 24x7 by keeping my innate logical, analytical and computational thinking alive? 

    I meditate half hour daily btw.

    How do you achieve deepest state of consciousness using meditation. A state of non self 24x7.

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    3 minutes ago, Amit said:

    I'm surprised how can someone be so stupid to not understand it in 12 years. 

    Man watch your language. Your ego is clearly kicking because you cant reason . 

    Yes teach me . I want to learn.

    And muslims are only minorities in your country. Which represents 10% of the population .  80% are hindus . Who said to you only muslims live in poverty ? Why are you shifting blame on muslims? And I am not discussing about islam and their beliefs. You are dragging muslims to counter my questions which doesn't even make any sense.

    How come millions of people that too hindu which die every year due to lack of basic facilities like hygienic food, medical facilities, shelter, etc  are living great life? Do you even know economic condition of your country. Do you even know how many people live in slums?

    Do you know more than 70% of countries wealth is owned by few elite business man ? Such a stark difference in distribution of wealth and living condition and you call me stupid.

    Every years millions of dollars are donated in mandir in your countries which can run the entire economy of the country for a year. Do you know the wealth of triputi mandir? How much money they receive in donation? 

    What do you do with all those money? Why not spend those money in uplifting poor people life. Why not spend those money on treating medical condition of poor people who cannot even afford basic medical facilities.

     

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    Just now, Amit said:

    Yes I already asked them, and I follow those mythologies and they have loads of deep wisdom. Every ritual and tradition has a deep meaning. You need to stop your stupid thinking and give some time to learn about itit before bullshitting. 

    Yes people getting born from fish. Monkeys flying in air. Shape shifting demons. Sanskrit speaking birds. 10 headed humans. Flying chariot , etc etc.

    You believe all this and call me stupid. What a logic. Great.

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    @Amit " Its your stupid opinion" . What a reply .

    Go and ask your billions of people who are stuck in man made mythology. And the amount of supersition in your country is beyond anything one can imagine. Unnecessary rituals and traditions in the name of personal god. How can you think one will be able to know the truth when they are stuck in their religion?

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    21 minutes ago, Amit said:

    How did you conclude that an idol worshipper thinks God lives in the sky? 

     

    You must be a hindu who is defending idol worshiping.  Go and ask billions of people in your country about their belief of god . 90% of thinks god looks like human having 10 heads or 4 hands holding weapons . They belief in their mythology and thinks these sky beings created humans and universe . I can gurrantee you that most of the people in your country believe these gods created them. Just go and do survey of your city .

    They even get offended if somebody say something about their gods. And root cause is your mythology which prevents people in even coming out of this religion trap. They keep propagating myths and superstitions in the name of religion.

    30 minutes ago, Amit said:
    32 minutes ago, Amit said:

     

    Nah, you are aware of just the half truth.

     

    Yes it is dogmatic.  I have been into spirituality since 12 years and know what I am saying.

    33 minutes ago, Amit said:

    God is also form, conceivable, filled, fullness, finite love and can be expressed using form. 

     

    So is plants, rocks, mountain , air, walls , wood etc.

    You are accepting god is everything so why do you want to worship a finite form? That too when you know the god you are worshipping is none other than YOU. And its infinite. 

    Do you want to worship finite form when you are infinite? 

    It becomes dogma when you propagate myths and make people believe in those mythology . 

    When billions in your country believe man made gods and worship them using idols then how come it is greatest tool in spirituality which makes people fall in trap of religion.

    Look you need to have a clear distinction between religion and spirituality . Dont mix both. Spirituality has nothing to do with your religious cult. Spirituality is crumbling away of untruth. It is complete eradication of what we imagined to be true. 

    Religion is dogma. Spirituality is not.

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    7 minutes ago, Amit said:

    Idols are beautiful, a sculpture puts so much creativity into a stone and create an art, while worshipping it,  worshippers are trying to reflect their own into the beauty of it and this transcending to their higher self. So this is never an issue. For example, there are religions such like Islam where idolatry is banned, but just see how much violence, rapes, kidnappings Islam causes by creating millions of bigots supporting each other in tandem. Because the Quran makes them a bigot even though it's a book and not an idol. 

    You have not understood what problem I was referring to. I am not talking about creative aspect of idol. 

    Idol can only be a barrier to reach ULTIMATE TRUTH. 

    How can you even step into journey towards knowing self, knowing GOD, knowing reality when religion and its mythology has given you certain basic framework on how personal god created the world which are separate from us and lives in sky. ? And then worship them using idols.

    In my view idolatry is what stops people in even reflecting about god. 

    God is formless , inconceivable , infinite, Void, Emptiness , Love. Can you express which is infinite love using form?

    Can you express which is formless using idol?

    can you express which is infinite using idol?

    How dogmatic it is. 

  17. Posted · Edited by machiavelli

    @Leo Gura So how can people come out of this trap? When we say dont worship humans or forms they get offended and thinks we are attacking their religion . 

    Even the soo called spiritual masters are not doing true spiritual work like you do. 

    They are not doing any liberation work and are keeping people under delusion of personal god.

    Their are lots spiritual gurus in my country too. They call them spiritual masters but what they preach is glorification of their religion and mythology.

    And I have found that most of them have this inate tendency to keep people in some umbrella term call religion. I dont know why they do so. Probably they think if people are liberated they will leave their religion or their religious customs such as rituals and festivals will end . 

     

  18. Posted

    33 minutes ago, The Blind Sage said:

     

    P.S, just to reiterate, please do not commit the mistake of failing to make a distinction between idol worshipping and genuine tantric practices. Leo's got an amazing episode on the importance of making high quality, fine grained distinctions as well btw. Good luck brother.

     

    What is tantric practice ? What is difference between idol worship and tantric practices? 

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    @Leo Gura You didn't understood the problem I was referring to.

    All you said was correct from your/my point of view.

    But think from point of view of billions of people who follow religion and worship some mythological figure using idols. Which they think is a being sitting in sky created earth and humans and entire universe. Which is backed up by mythology. It never allow people to ask basic question into nature of reality , nature of GOD , what they are in reality, what is consciousness , what is GOD?

    People are satisfied by the creation stories written in their mythology and they venerate and worship them with whole heart. They even get offended when we question the validity of their gods. And can even kill people.

    People worship idol and then continue to live their materialistic way of life. 

    How can people discover who they are when they are stuck in Idoltary and their religions.?

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    38 minutes ago, The Blind Sage said:

    There are many tanrtic paths that involve the consecration of objects into deities and goddesses. It's not just a metaphorical 'worship'. What they're worshipping has been transformed into a device to raise your consciousness through mantras, various rituals, or maybe even direct pranic/life-force manipulation, etc. The 'gods' they worship are nothing more than tools. Maybe they will be very devotional to it, but that's just another device for spiritual growth; using a deity as a point of devotion. Like all world religions, it usually sprang from deep wisdom and mysticism but got hijacked by collective ego.

    But of course, the majority of people that worship idols are dogmatic sheep. And even those that aren't, I'm inclined to think at least the majority of practitioners are tribalistic and stage purple-ish. Of course, I could be wrong. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater is all I'm saying.

     

    There are billions of people around the world who worships idols. And thinks god is someone sitting in sky who made humans and universe. They are backed with their mythological stories. My concern is it prevents people in reaching truth. If people will worship finite human form of god which is separate from them then how could they even inquire into real nature of GOD and reality? 

    Isnt they are stuck as they God is some mythological figure which created earth and humans which is separate from them. They use to worship him using idols which is finite. It is penetrated into their subconsciousness for thousands of years that some sky being created universe. Which they worship using idols.

    Where the scope of enlightenment in idol worshiping? In my belief idol belief restrain people into the quest of SELF. 

    And root cause is mythology .

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    We have many religions which have practice of doing idol worshipping. This creates a problem now. This stops people from asking further questions into nature of what God is . And pursuing the path to Enlightenment.  There are billions of people on earth who do idol worshiping and thinks god is some being sitting in sky separate from them who made the universe and all humans and animals.  This satisfy them and never allow them to ask further questions about what God really is , What I am? What is reality made up of? What I came here to do?

    Religion function as organized template which stops people from asking question and even validating whether what their religion preach is even true or not. Whether their customs, traditions, rituals are superstitious or not. Their is great sense of attachment to their religion and they take it as faith no matter what is written in the religion. 

    If god is truely inconceivable , infinite, cannot be described using words, languages or forms  then dont you think using idol to worship infinite formless god is very against the characteristics of what God really is? And then it stops people from asking further question into the nature of what god is and journey to enlightenment.

    You see what religion is doing is laying down some mythology for people to believe in which satisfy people's question about nature. They thinks some god sitting in sky separate from them or a being having human features separate from them made this universe and whole reality . This stops their further quest into enlightenment.

    And why do religions thinks that god looks like human? Why not universe? Why not some advanced alien being?

    Why their is inclination of people in believing that god is separate from them and looks like human ? And should be worshiped through idols?

  24. Posted · Edited by machiavelli

    @Adamq8 Neuro Science is still in infancy to understand the working of brain. But it doesn't mean we will not understand its working in next 1000 years. 

    Its like science is not mature enough to understand complex working of neurons which generate experience (Scientist point of explanation not mine).

    I feel consciousness is prior to every material thing. But scientist say that consciousness is produced by brain due to complex neural networking. 

    So how can we be soo sure that feeling like INFINITE LOVE that we feel in breakthrough trips is merely due to surge of dopamine in brain. For example Orgasms.