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And what are the spiritual ramifications of this phenomenon? Is it known how and where these emotions get stored? What has this got to do with the chakras? Like, does unprocessed emotion get stored as an energy in the chakras and then it can get liberated and converted into "good" energy? Is this stored emotion what becomes the kundalini energy? Or is this emotion/energy stuck in the nervous system? I'm just trying to see the big picture of the relationship between emotions, the body, energy, spiritual development and so on, so please share what you know. Thanks ?

Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Yes, that's a really interesting phenomenon! Dr. Joe Dispenza talks about this in his books and at his workshops they actually measure this field with some russian biophoton detecting device (I don't remember the exact name, but it's some high end device). There you can see that the meditators have a much brighter, bigger and "thicker" electromagnetic field after a breakthrough experience. It's amazing.

@Thought Art Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I was thinking about. Do you know how we can even know that? It seems obvious that stress is regulated by the nervous system (sympathetic and parasympathetic NS), but what does it mean that the stress is held in the nervous system? Or are we again just talking about the neural connections in the brain? Even harder to grasp is how stress is held in an organ or tissues. Unless this merely means that we have chemical reactions like production of neurotransmitters and hormones, but I think you mean something else right? Yeah, that's exactly the stuff I meant. First you have trauma or other conditioning. Then this gets stored in the body as energy, I assume it's some kind of unhelpful energy, but you can transform it into something better I guess. It would be extremely interesting to know what actually happens when we transform this energy (if that's what really happens at all). Like there are these accounts of people who do a chakra meditation and then energy from the lower centers get "liberated" and flow upwards in the brain, which can cause a spiritual experience. So I assume that this "bad", low frequency energy of the trauma that sits in the body must become something else. Thanks for your post!

Nice post. I was aware of these relationships. Of course emotions are felt in the body because the body produces certain chemicals and changes its physiology. The thing you're describing is basically conditioning, like e.g. fear conditioning. That's what we know from Pavlov's dogs; neuroassociations or trigger-reaction-chains. A trauma could therefore be considered a specific type of conditioning. You build many types of associations of certain stimuli - that were present during the traumatic events - with specific emotions/physiology. That what you describe in the last paragraph is called "melting anchors" isn't? It's clear that e.g. if someone has an anxiety disorder, then they have a neural network for that specific anxiety (or rather the specific associations) in their brain. So that's the brain, neural networks that get activated and then in turn activate hormonal glands like the adrenal glands in the body, which then produce stress hormones. Anyway what I meant in my original post was still something different. There are theories in which for example trauma is "stored" in specific organs. It's kind of like if you could have a close look at the organ you'd see certain "traces" of the trauma (don't ask me what that means). Like, as though you have a memory of the trauma "imprinted" in the organ or tissue. I think they say that the body can then respond to a trauma trigger even before the brain does or maybe even that the body simply activates the trauma by itself without any external trigger (and similar stuff). Out of habit so to speak. I don't know a whole lot about this stuff which is why I made the post.

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Yeah, I read about it too. Still seems a bit odd to me because from what I understood lizard labs didn't produce these opioids (some other Dutch laboratories did produce them though), but they still got busted in that same operation. I'm still awaiting updates on this issue. American authorities busting laboratories in the middle of Europe, LMAO...

@Bob Seeker I can't really speak about 1P-LSD, because I haven't experienced it. Though I'm using 1V-Lsd, which is another lsd analogue, just like 1P-lsd, but two versions later so to speak. The 1V-lsd works perfectly fine. All these lsd analogues were produced by professional Dutch laboratories (Legally...), so they are precisely dosed, unlike the street lsd (which sometimes isn't even lsd). I don't know if later on also other producers of these lsd analogues emerged, or more underground in someone's basement kind of labs, I've never heard of anything like this though. They would probably rather make the regular lsd. So you'll likely get high quality, professionally produced quasi-lsd There haven't been any stories of these lsd analogues having unusual side effects, it's all pretty much like lsd. But a little risk of long-term side effects always remains with research chemicals that haven't been studied so thoroughly. It's still unlikely though.

@flowboy Ok, very interesting! Thanks so much! Ok, makes sense that you need to keep going. That you can do unguided sessions too is great, because I live on a different continent than the primal institute But apart from that I do believe that I'd have the discipline to repeat the process again and again, every week. I'm already doing almost nothing but my healing stuff, lol. So again, thank you!

@flowboy hello again I just read the ebook from the pujalepp.com website. That sounds like really deep stuff they do there. I'm wondering if you learn things in this workshop that you can later keep doing at home too or whether it's more like you need the group environment to achieve healing? I mean, I would assume that you can achieve a lot in such a workshop, but you also want to continue with it afterwards right? Also, do you still remember roughly the cost of such a workshop? Thanks buddy, you're a hero here in this forum! ????

@Sincerity Thanks! ??? Another general question for everyone: how long before a breathing session should you not eat? And is there a risk of throwing up or even shitting my pants when things get intense? ?

I could do 30 minutes and then ended the breath when my timer rang. I didn't feel like I could have done a whole lot more, so I was kinda alleviated when it was over. Over time some dizziness in my head developed. Then I got tingling sensations in my hands and later in my feet, which over time started to spread out in my forearms and calves. Some time later I almost couldn't feel my hands and feet anymore at all. But with that little bit of feeling left I noticed that my hand and forearm muscles were cramping. It was as though I was clawing into the ground. Mind-wise it felt like a light inebriation. But nothing out of the ordinary happened after I stopped the breath and chilled. I was lying there for about another 15 minutes and then got up. No emotions arose nor did anything related to altered states of mind happen, I was just more awake (in the ordinary sense of the word). So do you think I should just go for longer and/or breath still faster/more deeply? Thanks guys!

Good that you mention it, lol. I guess the loss of consciousness is a symptom of hyperventilation, kind of what we must expect when we take in so much oxygen, right? I'll be careful about where I place myself ?

Good to know! Interesting. Hold the breath after having fully breathed out or fully breathed in? Ok. Small dose would be about 50 ug of LSD or more?

@Mormegil I'll work my way up to longer durations. Thank you!

? Good advice, thanks flowboy! I'll do it again with a deeper breath.

@flowboy Holy shit brother. I just now noticed that you heavily pimped your original posts with more tips and info! Thank you so much! Now there's a lot for me to contemplate. I need a few days to wrap my head around this. There's a lot I could do now. I'll probably pm you these days about this. Thanks for everything! ???

It wasn't activated in real life, but just in my dream. In the dream at some point I spontaneously started to focus on that solar plexus area above the navel (for no apparent reason). Then I suddenly felt a huge physiological shift. A sensation of bliss and joy started to spread from that area throughout the entire body and into the brain and it felt so good that within my dream I had to make some noises with my voice like "aaaaahhhhh" (kind of similar to when you have an orgasm). Then I woke up. I still felt a little bit of that good sensation but then it quickly vanished. Now I'm wondering why I would have such a dream? It seems a bit too specific to just be some random dream incident, even though I often dream of the most random and illogical things. I haven't done a single "chakra meditation" in many months, so it's totally not like chakras have been at the forefront of my mind at all. What do you think of this?

@flowboy Thanks so much for responding!! It all makes a lot of sense now. I had given myself something like a "deadline", a date until which I wanted to continue with my current approach to then reevaluate the results. I will definitely contemplate the things you mentioned as a new therapy option, so thanks a lot for sharing! I guess that's how you know you've found your life's purpose! ?

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I will try and let you know ? I'm glad you're enjoying it! There's no need to ignore you, it's all good.

@flowboy wow man. All this stuff is extremely intriguing! I also watched the video you linked in your signature, in which you talk about all the things we discussed here. That resonates a lot with me! That's very insightful! And it's kinda interesting, because I felt like I had tried to do something akin to what you describe in point 2, but not a lot happened. Now I'm wondering if I simply lacked skill or proper guidance. E.g. I actually proposed doing this to my therapist who does hypnotherapy and he then said that we could give it a try and he called it something like "regression therapy". So then he hypnotised me and I tried to go back in my childhood and become aware of whether I had experienced certain traumatic things that I'm not even aware of nowadays. Maybe we also looked at things I can still remember, but I'm not sure anymore. What I do know is that I never had any of these strong emotional reactions where you start to cry and really sort of immersed in the past experience. But again, this might be due to lack of skill or guidance. It also wasn't the specialty of the therapist, more of a "ok, we can try that out if you want to", but then we didn't do it another time. Btw, I'm starting to feel like I might be taking up a lot of your time. Don't feel forced to keep responding, feel free to disengaged, as I'm sure you're a busy person too ? I'm not opposed to the idea of finding someone who focuses on such an approach, not sure if I can afford it though, which is why I'm also contemplating doing it by myself. Also I'm wondering if that process of reliving and feeling these past experiences could be facilitated by a moderate dose of a psychedelic. I just recently had some first experiences and it seemed like the drug induced stats makes it easier to connect to your emotions. What do you think?

I haven't tried these things yet, but thanks for making me aware they exist and can help. ???

It doesn't matter anyways, time is imaginary ?

Yeah, I understand, this can be difficult to understand. I can only add a little bit more context that might make it understandable, but of course I'm also interested in what you think. So you have to consider that my overall condition is just very challenging and complex in many ways. I'm chronically ill with chronic fatigue syndrome. It is medically proven that my autonomic nervous system and my brain in general have a dysfunction. This dysfunction for me has the effect that any trigger I have is about 10x more stubborn, more deeply rooted in the brain or however you want to call it. I mean, just imagine if your nervous system is so sensitive (due to a condition), that every fight or flight reaction is now 10x stronger. How would that affect you? Now, interestingly the heightened levels of stress I have due to this condition is also what contributes a lot to the perpetuation of the central dysfunction. Now add to that, that I've lost my ability to work, can't make a living anymore and depend on payments of the government. How do you think has that affected my already existing self-esteem and anxiety problems? So all of this did not only exacerbate my emotional problems with myself, it also introduced completely new stresses. E.g. in order to receive my payments I must every once in a while be "medically examined" by doctors in some agency. There they have absolutely no clue of my health condition. So now I have to think about how to convince them, which more medical reports could I gather etc. All of this brought so much stress into my life. At the worst times I was so stressed that after making myself breakfast I needed to take 30 minutes of rest before I could eat, I was completely exhausted just from cutting some fruit and putting the oats in some bowl etc. But also I just had such an enormous amount of anxieties and insecurities, it really wasn't funny at all. I feel like now I've overcome maybe 80-90 % of my emotional baggage, so there's still some work to be done, but an end is in sight. But anyway what do you think?

Still in 2023?!!? ???