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Yep. It's like a change on the inside affects how you can operate in the outer world. If your energy changes, what happens to you in the material world changes too.

Nice! Now may I also ask you how this spiritual practice and the awakenings have affected your worldly, material life (if you still have one). I can still vaguely remember our exchanges from about over 1 year ago in which we talked about dating related stuff etc. Is that still any element in your life or on break or abandoned, transcended or whatever? How have your views and emotions changed?

Sounds amazing. So overall you'd say the inner engineering course from Sadghuru was the best investment of your life? Somewhere else you talked about how for about a year you were just unravelling knots with some yoga technique or so, to then eventually experience all this bliss. Is this working on the knots related to the Sadghuru course?

Work for what? you might ask... I just mean to produce any kind of extraordinary experience or state, could be related to awakening or healing, could be "to produce dmt" or to "activate the third eye/pineal gland" or to "open the chakras" or to bring up some of your trauma or whatever. Also: is it expected for a technique to not produce any kind of special experience until you have practiced it a lot? It would seem reasonable to assume that but then again I feel like "if something works it works", why would it take 100 attempts for it to work? Must I first awaken some sleeping dragon in my stomach or what is it? Also: Can there be other things you need to do so a breathing technique will produce these extraordinary experiences? I imagine it has to do with energy. So what can be messed up about your energy, can you have a literal knot in your energy channel that blocks the flow or what is it? And then you first need to unravel the knots so that then the energy can be moved by techniques like the breath? Sorry for this mess of a post, thanks in advance!

Ok ?

@Michal__ awesome, thanks! Is there anything to be wary about? The last time I did holotropic breathing I got extreme forearm and calve cramping, can this just be ignored?

@Javfly33 What's your practice? Like, what concretely do you do each day to pump up your energies? And what are the states like you reach with it?

@Javfly33 Bro you need to make sure that you're not that intensively triggered when you respond. First take your time and calm down, then proceed to write a reasonable response in an adult manner. Otherwise your way of responding undermines everything you're trying to say and makes you look like a barking chihuahua ?

@Javfly33 Have you gotten lost in spirituality a bit too much buddy? ? There are actually endless accounts of people who were suffering from specific emotional or psychosomatic symptoms who then reexperienced some past trauma (childhood, baby age, birth or even past life or transgenerational) which then alleviated some or all symptoms. What you suggest is along the lines of "there is no trauma", "there is no psyche", "there is no past nor future". It might be true from a very high perspective but it's mostly just impractical to deal with "real world issues".

@VictorB02 ❤❤❤???

I just recently started with them...so let me just tell you that before you'll get to the part with the Infinite love you may first go through some episodes of "lot's of awkwardness and past pain" if you are remotely as affected by emotional stuff as I am (during a single psychedelic experience but also overall, getting a bit closer to this love with each trip). Yep, you need a vision for the future!

Maybe if you get some of that infinite love that Leo talks about you'll then need a bit less of the physical satisfaction and worldly love? => somespiritualgirl ?

@somegirl masturbation maybe? Those 3 don't go together too well, you see?

@StarStruck I think the simple "no bs answer" is: yes it's the same. By this I mean that the specific words you used point to the same thing/reality. What one spiritual teacher would call the "field of consciousness that connects everyhing" is the same as some other teacher might call the "quantum field". Both expressions are of course just pointers, not to be confused with the real thing.

@flowboy Hey buddy, sorry for reviving this thread again now, but I had a question in my mind I thought you would be predestined to answer. If there is some emotional symptom in the present, how do you trace it back all the way to the very root cause (typically in early childhood or even earlier)? I'm asking because in the case of developmental trauma it can seem very tricky to find the actual cause - the "mother trauma" so to speak amongst all these different things that happened over a few decades. Like for example there can be a sense of unworthiness in the present and you could find logical reasons in the present like "because I don't have enough of X I feel unworthy", but that's of course way too superficial, it started much earlier. It seems a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack at the moment and additionally there can be the difficulty of not even remembering certain incidents due to repression.

@somegirl sounds all good! We'll hear from each other ?

@somegirl Sure, you seemed like one of the more reasonable people on here. I have actually avoided the dating section for quite some time now (couldn't stand the toxicity anymore) and it's been a better experience like this overall. I hope your self work has been fruitful, good luck anyway!

@somegirl I thought you had died about a year ago, but here you are again, lol ?

Have you done that?

What about DMT trips can be so traumatising? Is it like seeing evil entities that will chew on your soul? ?

I definitely think so. I think 100 - 130 should be enough, like you can still think and won't get warped in another dimension where the pick up gods will interrogate you

In the last months I've had several kind of extraordinary experiences in this state when you're still half asleep but already awake, of a kind like I've never had before. One time I woke up, so I knew I was awake, but parallel to being awake I'm still also dreaming. Knowing that I'm in my room, lying on my bed I now get a sense that I'm moving upwards, like floating to the top of my room, to then get kind of excited and anxious about this process, which immediately warps me back in my lying on the bed position. Another time I experienced the same, but this time I feel like I'm flying to the far right and upper end of my room and (while not having any visual sense, it's like I'm blind, just darkness), to then suddenly see a visual representation of the "meditating monk with the 7 chakras illustrated" which hangs as a wall carpet on that wall (but I saw it as a standing cart box figure instead ?). I wake up from this experience and am fully awake, but now I have specific involuntary motoric movements of my head, face muscles and jaw, exactly in the same way like when during my lsd trips my body starts abreacting the strong emotions that come to the surface from the unconscious mind. Another time I'm still mostly asleep, but low-key lucid, I feel my body and then suddenly I feel a strong blissful energy in that area of the 2nd chakra which immediately spreads throughout the entire body, giving me something like a "bliss orgasm". The freakiest experience was this: I wake up, but are still somewhat dreamy. Now I get an anxious sense that there's someone lying next to me (I was alone though), like I hear the breath and movement of someone. Then I just manage to calm myself down and realise that I'm probably still dreaming and I become accepting of my anxious state. Though I still have an intuitive sense that any moment some kind of "presence" will show up but I'm willing to accept whatever may unfold and don't resist it. The next moment an invisible but audible entity shows up. I clearly hear its breath and a voice that starts talking in inedible language (at first) while simultaneously caressing my face with some blissful energy (as though its hands are made out of this energy) and very briefly becoming visible as the silhouette of a female looking face that I sort of see as though it was pressing itself through a layer of "dream material", kind of like when you put a silky cloth on your face. At some point I start to understand what the entity is saying and she says something along the lines of "you must choose someone who will suffer instead of you" (note that I'm dealing with a chronic and quite limiting health condition which could be what was meant by "suffering"). Then the entity tells me a precise date of the past, from way before I was born (like 1969/08/13) without any context. She then assures me that she likes me, I quickly see the Silhouette of her face again and then she disappeares and the experience comes to an end. If you feel like you have anything of value to add to all of that, feel free to do so. I don't have any idea what these experiences really are.

No. Sounds like a pharmaceutical pill, right? What does it do for you?

What I do at the moment at moderate dosages (1V-lsd) is to bring up the limiting emotions I have. So basically I think about what scares me and then really feel into it and allow it to be. It seems like in these states the energy of these emotions flows again as opposed to being stuck. You get all of these stuck, pent up emotions out of their repression and can finally release them. The body reacts with wild movements like heavy shaking, but this feels healing. Then sometimes I get an urge to cry out the accumulated pain and thus I do exactly that. I feel like I'm improving with this procedure.

Cool. Feel free to share I'll ask you for help if that turns out to be true ?