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I think he might indeed be sorry, but I wouldn't expect him to now want commitment. It's just convenient if a guy knows a girl he's already had sex with because typically there still is some level of attraction and this can lead to sex again. So if I was in your shoes I wouldn't expect it that he might become your boyfriend now ? Maybe you can be friends, but realistically this also will lead to sex again, with low chances of commitment afterwards. So the question is what do YOU actually want out of this?

You might die from a testosterone overdose in that environment ?

??? That didn't take long... Please behave, so you don't get banned. You are a hard piece to deal with, but still I'd be kinda sad if you were gone forever, so don't overdo it.

And you also completely misspelled the title of the post! ??

Yes, I have definitely noticed that you have your own unique style And clearly we are all in an ongoing process of finding the right style for our posts, depending on who we're talking to and what the subject is. Anyway, your case has been forwarded to the next level of jurisdiction and soon a comité, consisting of 7 well respected illuminati, will take a decision regarding your punishment. Stay patient for now. And sure, throw in some smileys to generate good vibes..."judgement free zone here" ???

So glad that for once I'm not the one receiving the attacks ? @K Ghoul Honestly I think @puporing has a fair point when it comes to how you expressed your opposing views with all of your "satanism" and other similar labels. Also judging by the posts of both of you she doesn't seem to be more "triggered" than you. So now let's all be nice to each other again and discuss in a way that is adequate for adult people, ok?

I think people should do whatever they want with their vaginas and penisses (and who knows what else) as long as everybody involved is fine with it.

Now it's getting interesting ?

I think she was being sarcastic ?

Did you learn this from a bald man? ?

@Illusory Self Yeah, maybe just work on taking girls Home/going home with them. It doesn't matter if they reject you for this attempt or any sexual advances, as it makes no difference to the result. Because now you still got rejected, thus it couldn't have been worse, had you tried to take her home, you see? I think intuition is key here, there are also girls who don't want to have sex with you on the first date and you'll have to develop a feeling for which girls are pullable and which aren't. Edit: But also sometimes we're just wrong with our perception of how much chemistry there was AND a girl's mood can quickly change after a date for hundreds of reasons. Interestingly I've had quite a few first dates where there was good chemistry but I didn't pull and then had sex with the girl on the 2nd date, so it actually can work out like this too...

And why would you go to Mgtow forums for that? You'll just become a bitter misogynist like this and hate women forever. Learn a language practice online with normal people or something similar.

@Gesundheit2 I can't answer your actual questions, but have a few things to say. Generally the tone on this forum here is somewhat negative, probably for a variety of reasons. People coming here are coming from very different backgrounds and often have fundamentally different views. People get triggered a lot on here and thus they try to trigger the other person back. A lot of what you see here is just the ego in action. A person's identify/ego is threatened by someone's views and thus it gets triggered and goes over to the attack. And then of course the fact that nobody has to look someone else in the eyes when formulating a critique adds to the negative tone and rudeness. If people talked like they do on this forum in real life, things would probably often escalate and sometimes someone would get smacked in the face. Then add to that, that a lot of people on here (if not most) are dealing with major struggles, have had major upsets, trauma and so on. So you have incels, women who were disappointed by men (or worse: violated) all mixed together in one place. It doesn't surprise me that things get nasty on here so quickly. And then you sometimes have to tell these hurt people that they actually have quite something to do with the poor results they've been getting and ofc many people don't want to hear that, so they'll quickly attack you back. And I'm making the same experiences as you. People often tell me in real life that I'm a cool person and fun to hang out with etc. and here I often just get some nasty, ego triggering, condescending comments. But please also reflect on your own comments. We tend to see the rudeness and violence in others' comments but not in our own and I'm also guilty of sometimes being a little bit too harsh or uncaring with my comments, maybe you are too.

So what is something you might say? I think it still makes a bit of a difference whether you say 'haha you're cool' with a flirty smile or if you say 'I'd fuck the shit out of you, if I didn't have a gf' right?

@Arcangelo Transwomen competing with women seems like bullshit to me. I can't even believe how there can be a discussion about it, it's so obvious that it shouldn't be allowed. Just imagine if 25 years old LeBron James would have decided 'hey, I suddenly feel like I'm a woman, I'm gonna convert and then compete in the WNBA.' Just ridiculous. But of course if you say this you'll immediately get shamed and called a far-right sexist and all kinds of other -ists.

And what are you willing to do for that?

This is just completely unrealistic. If you practice regularly there's no way you won't make any progress. You might have less progress than someone else, but that doesn't matter. I mean, do you want us to tell you 'hmm...maybe in your case it's true, maybe you just haven't got it, you know what, you really shouldn't even try.'? Check for yourself if your fears are stopping you from even starting. Then she's still gotten better at least. Hey, you really have to adopt some winner mind sets. It's not 'maybe I'll still suck after 1000 approaches, maybe I shouldn't even try'. It's 'I'll just give it my best and I'll get as good at this as I can, I believe in myself, I'm gonna make this happen. Then when you practice you'll inevitably fail a lot in the beginning ('beginner's hell'). But then you don't go in some black or red pill forum to negatively brain wash yourself, you go to some place like this one and ask for more advice, learn from your mistakes, grow, get better and succeed.

Are you kidding? What if after 1000 hours of driving school you still can't drive a car?

If she was missing all her teeth, maybe she'd be able to give you a great blowjob ?

Are you really?

@Antor8188 The problem is that you're not doing what he's saying. If you go and approach not even 1000, but just 300 girls and then still have zero results, feel free to come back here and talk about problems

@Karmadhi When you 'game' and date these girls, how do you feel on the inside? Are you still rather nervous and insecure or do you feel comfortable and confident? Doing game is one thing. But it's still something that you're doing. And if you feel e.g. insecure, but then act confident ('gamey'), girls still might spot the incongruence. But I could be wrong in your case, maybe you have good inner and outer game, idk. Anyway, if there are still significant insecurities (self doubts, feelings of unworthiness for a certain type of girl/level of attractiveness) then probably you just have to keep going. It's hard to overcome these insecurities when the feedback from the real world basically gives more food to your insecurities, but it might still be the necessary thing to do. I remember RSD Tyler saying something like 'first you are insecure and look like you're not getting laid, so you don't get laid. But you just keep going. At some point you've experienced enough rejections, so you're starting to not care about the rejections any more. Therefore you start looking like you don't care. If you look like you don't care, you look like you're getting laid. And if you look like you're getting laid, you're getting laid :)'. Maybe this helps a little.

Where did that come from? ?

@Illusory Self When going out: She: 'why don't you drink alcohol?' You: 'I sold my liver on the black market, now I don't tolerate alcohol' 'My liver got stolen from a girl that looked exactly like you, now I don't tolerate alcohol anymore' (or some similar bullshit). On dates: She: 'It seems weird to me you're not drinking alcohol' You: 'oh yeah? How so?' (Or: 'And things will still get much weirder, I promise' OR 'yeah I'm a weirdo') She: 'well, everybody drinks in a bar/pub etc.' You: 'Are you trying to be like everybody?' or 'I'm not trying to be like everybody' No matter what any girl says, your frame remains 'it's awesome to not drink alcohol, if anyone thinks it's weird, they got a problem (or they are too weak to withstand the social pressure). Though you don't ever explicitly say that they are weak or weird, you just keep acting confident. The real issue here is that you're still feeling judged for not drinking, and as always the solution is to not give a fuck anymore what anyone might think about you not drinking. If you think about it... people pay money to ingest a substance that's toxic for the body, but you don't. So you're not the one you has to question himself. So the overarching frame is something like 'I don't even care, it's not even important that people accept my alcohol abstinence'.

Well you can to an extent, but for obvious reasons you must be more careful here. If you piss them off, by putting them in a negative frame, then what you'll end up with is a lose-lose scenario. They feel offended, and you have to pay some charge. Though, what you can always do is to communicate the frame of who you are, like what you are used to, what your own reality is. You're not on the VIP list and the bouncer won't let you in the club. So you try one more time, without seeming reactive, nor insecure. 'Ok, sure...so how do we solve this? I'm sure there's something we can do about this, right?' You must say this as though you already knew that the bouncer will let you in, as though you've been saying things like this for the 20 years, because you're just the person who gets let in clubs, that's just the default. Your social value is so high that it's simply expected that you'll get let in ?