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Where I live in my age range 95% of communication happens on Snapchat, FB messenger and Insta. Maybe WhatsApp if you don't share one of the previous social apps If I asked a girl in my age range for a phone number instead of socials (usually snap) she'd look at me like a bit of a weirdo

Yea you sure sound happy

@Jed Haldir Maybe wait til work nights out if your company does that. That'll give you an opportunity to interact in a little bit more of a relaxed environment But honestly sounds like you're very invested in this one girl at work and that could go south pretty quick

Social circle isn't really a numbers game so you're already thinking of it the wrong way What do you mean by social circle anyway? If your social circle has 3 girls in it then applying a success rate metric to that is kind of silly. Maybe you can build a decent relationship with one of them but honestly applying all the statistical numbers game stuff is just toxic in that situation If you mean going out with friends in your social circle and meeting new girls while you're out then that's basically cold approach

Alcohol is processed differently in some people's bodies if you have only a little bit of it I believe. That means if you have a small amount, say a single beer or cider, it can make you feel extremely tired and lethargic but once you've had three or four you get back to the positive effects of alcohol As is recommended you should prob learn to socialise sober but if you're super up-tight or anxious alcohol is a good way to get yourself in the mood for going out and just not giving a fuck. It also helps you not feel like a weird outsider who isn't drinking. I live in a pretty drinking-heavy culture so going out sober requires that extra bit of not giving a fuck that I don't have yet. Although some of the other substances recommended here are quite appealing, Phenibut seems to have some amazing effects for socialising so I'm tempted to give that a try. And I've never taken Modafinil but I've heard it's just like better coffee so I'm also drawn to that

You can pay someone to come up with styles that fit your body. Like a style consultant. I'd imagine the price varies per location but there's one near me that charges I think around £150 for a set of style recommendations tailored exactly to your body type and preferences. For a little bit extra they even go and buy you some new outfits. I'd have a look into that option, but make sure they have some decent credentials. Like £150 (~$200) and you could potentially get some style advice and recommendations that pay dividends for the rest of your life. I haven't done this yet but I'm considering it

Stop pretending you were the victim, you were seen as a creepy fuck. If you were not interpreted as a creepy fuck then you would not have been reported. It doesn't matter whether you actually are a creepy fuck or not, the point is you were unequivocally interpreted as a creepy fuck. There is ample evidence of that One of the most common defense mechanisms girls have for creeps is to just pretend they're not creeped out or act normal until you leave and then report you. Why? Because confronting someone who says creepy, uncalibrated shit is potentially really dangerous for girls. Even I've kind of just awkwardly gone along with weird dude's conversation topics before until they leave because you have no fucking clue what they'll do if you piss them off by leaving or telling them they're being weird to their face

This isn't an issue that anyone other than you seems to face. I'd put my money on you not being able to accurately recognise whether people are actually engaged or creeped out, but hey, I don't know you or where you stay so I can't really say. That's just my initial impression

It will be fine. 99% of these cases happen when the dude is totally unaware when he's been rejected and he persists. If that's not you then you don't need to worry

Jesus christ this is not the message to take. This shit doesn't happen in the real world unless you are like ultra creepy and persistent In most cases I would bet this stuff happens after dudes get clear "not interested" signals and then keep touching the girl, which is definitely approaching sexual harassment. If you can notice those signals and you're not totally fucked socially then you're not gonna have any legal troubles

I'm pretty sure it's not that complex. Guys get attracted to excitement the same way girls do, and bitchiness and being a dick creates a hell of a lot of tension, fun and excitement that humbleness and niceness doesn't Ideally you learn to create such tension without being bitchy or a dick, which requires a certain amount of skill, especially for guys

A unique strategy indeed

Just like 'bank' can mean place you get money, or the side of a river, depending on context Many words have multiple meanings and you use the context to work out the meaning Youth is usually valued more in girls so the term just kind of gets interchangeably used. If anything I bet it's actually women who enjoy being called girls The equivalent word for men is 'guys' as it can be used to basically mean a male of any age. Should we stop using the world 'guys' because it's too ambiguous? I could be talking about 12 year old boys when I say guys, if you ignore context It's the same issue more or less

Careful, this can be your own form of ego. People who don't socialise that much tend to build up this idea that all the normal people who socialise are beneath them Source: Did this for many years and know several others who did it too The people at clubs are not any different from the people in everyday life, really. It's the context that's different

Yea, the smooth talkers and the good lookers succeed. But your average dude who is capable of socialising, has a social circle, goes out tons, will get action by sheer numbers of girls he ends up interacting with naturally. It only takes one girl to find him attractive and there you go. Most guys in college/uni end up getting action and that all happens through these kinds of venues that are jam packed with people 7 days a week. The problem is that there are an increasingly large number of dudes who do not meet this basic social skill requirement. The solution is not telling them to stop socialising with girls and wait for the one to come along. It's the exact opposite. They need as much exposure as they can stomach. Normal girls hang out at these venues. Like 90% of the population enjoys a party. Everyone at these venues is there to get drunk and have fun. They go there to meet new people. Dance. Drink. Socialise. If you have even basic social skills you can go to these places, talk and dance with strangers. Clubs are especially good for this because everyone blends into one big mess of people

Basically there is no right answer but you do still want good money psychology. For example it is very easy to spend more and more each month until you are pushing the limits of what you can afford. This is the typical human approach towards money And with readily available credit cards with a high limit this can be very dangerous

I was referring to you saying that he should lower his standards to 1s, 2s, and 3s because of his appearance

Read what I wrote, I didn't attack you. I just told you to stop talking like an incel. The incel mindset of 'looks are all that matter' is really toxic to anyone who wants to improve themselves with girls You told this dude that if he isn't physically attractive enough he should lower his standards to 1,2,3 out of 10 girls which is ridiculous

Get out of here with your incel crap. Yea, looks matter, but they're not all that matters. Women care less about looks than men. This mindset of never being able to get a girl if you're not a top 20% dude is a cancer on your mind and it creates a deadly self-fulfilling prophecy I have several male friends who are not traditionally physically attractive yet they're 10x better with women than me purely out of personality and social skill

I read this as "I'm confused by the stats but I don't want to give up my existing notions about bars and nightclubs" Tons of couples meet in bars and nightclubs. My parents met in a nightclub and married each other lol Anywhere you have large numbers of men and women mixing together are places where couples meet. Yea these places are heavy on the hookup side, but it's not like they're only for hookups. And things that start out casual can lead to relationships as well Yea, it's probably the confident and the good looking who thrive in that environment but it's clearly not just a tiny majority of elite men. It's at least 27.5% lol. The average dude has good enough social skills to go to a nightclub with friends and chat up girls. If he does that enough one of them will fall for him All the game talk here is usually for dudes who are socially fucked in some way or another and need some bootstrapping to fix that

Well not me. If a girl had the expectation of me buying her flowers, spending tons of money on her, showering her with attention etc. just after I'd met her then I'd run away from that pretty damn quick I suppose it's personal taste, though. But to me it comes across as a red flag. I want my relationships to start out super chill with very little expectations, just enjoying each others company I did this kinda lovey stuff with my ex after we knew each other for like 6mths to a year

I can speak for the experience I've had with girls in the 18-22 range which is that you should definitely not wait this long But the rules of online communication change drastically for people in that age range compared to what advice I hear given by older people

Some 'normal' girls are into some crazy shit Most girls are probably kinkier than you under the right circumstances There's almost nothing that can beat exploring a girls sexuality with her, letting her dirtiest thoughts and fantasies loose You're not gonna get that from a hooker The best sexual experimentation comes from experimenting with the emotional highs of what you're doing rather than physical sensation. Example: "I'm enjoying this because of the polarity between us all night, the chase, the back and forth, the story, and the conclusion where I drag you back to my apartment, hold you by your hair and and rail you hard against my wall until you collapse in a puddle of your own wetness on my bed" Is way hotter than "I paid you so can you stand against my wall while I put my dick inside you and then leave when I cum" Even if you do the kinkiest acts you can imagine with a hooker, I can't imagine there's anywhere near the emotional charge that there is with a 'normal' girl Sorry for the graphic detail, was needed to make a point

Healthy attractive men have so many options available that they wouldn't bother investing flowers, money and time into a girl when 5 other more attractive ones are available instantaneously that don't have such expectations The flowers and lovey stuff comes after the initial attraction and some dating when both parties feel like a commited relationship is beneficial It should not happen at the start and realistically very few healthy attractive men with options are gonna do that needy shit early on

If this works for you then you are the exception not the rule. For 95%+ of girls, especially younger girls, chasing with money, showering with attention etc. just simply doesn't work. It's the nice guy strategy. Pretty much every guy has tried this and realised it doesn't typically work