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It’s alright for some surface level comparisons, like sensors and intuitive are probably not gonna get on that well together But when you start saying/thinking things like “your 4th cognitive function makes you incompatible with everyone who has a certain cognitive function in their 2nd slot”, you’ve entered astrology and ideology land

I'm surprised there aren't any recommendations for BJJ (Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu) here. It's got one of the best communities of all martial arts and progressing in it is super rewarding. There are girls at my BJJ gym who absolutely fuck me up, so it's something that girls can be super effective at, even against bigger dudes It's really intellectual as well, and the injury chance is lower than striking martial arts. If you wanna learn martial arts purely to defend yourself then you go with MMA, but if it's slightly more about self-improvement I'd recommend BJJ. Holy crap though do not do shitty martial arts like Tai Chi or Wing Chun if you actually wanna be able to defend yourself. These are not good for that at all. Tai Chi especially is not even designed for fighting, it's more of a spiritual thing, almost like dancing.

This is a short story that might hopefully make some of you feel better about getting shitty results on online dating apps A couple months back, I ended up meeting and going home with a girl at a club. The next morning, we both ended up talking about Tinder. Turns out we'd actually matched online several months prior, but she had totally blanked my first message. She couldn't even remember matching with me, so she clearly wasn't really that interested online. Yet she seems super into me in real life, and we've met up another 3 or 4 times since then. Just because you can't attract girls on Tinder doesn't mean that girls don't find you attractive in real life. Girls who aren't into you at all online can be super into you in real life. Don't let shitty results online fuck up your self-esteem and convince you that you aren't attractive to girls, it's just false And don't listen to statistics about online dating that people extrapolate into the real world either. This is a good example of why that is a silly thing to do because the dynamics are totally different.

I think this^ is something you have convinced yourself of to sooth your ego "I don't have as much success as I'd like with girls, it must be because I'm too stable, healthy, actualized, caring, honest, humble and non-dramatic" – that's kind of what I read when I read your post And you can absolutely be those things and still be attractive. But you also need a few other things too, otherwise you're just going to bore girls. You need a bit of edge. You need to take risks. You need to be confident. Be OK with stepping out of your comfort zone. You have to be fearless. You have to be masculine. You have to be fun. If you sprinkle some of these exciting traits in with being stable, healthy, actualized, caring, honest, humble and non-dramatic, you become extremely attractive, even more than the guys who don't have all of those things and are just straight toxic There is a lot of overlap between being only stable, healthy, honest, humble and non-dramatic and being a weak man. Many weak men exhibit these traits to hedge their bets with others and take a comfortable path in life. I'm not saying this is you at all, I know for sure that isn't true in your case. But the problem is that to a girl, if all you exhibit are these 'nice' traits, that is the impression it gives off, even if you are not actually a weak guy.

I mean I’m sure they can be sometimes, but in my experience they’ve been pretty flaky If you’re at a busy enough club/bar there’s no reason to go for numbers when there will almost certainly be opportunities for a pull IMO If a girl is super hot and you hit it off but logistics don’t work for a pull then may as well take her number, what’s the worst that can happen

It’s a good idea to move around the club with a girl anyway, idk about the kissing in front of friends thing though One of the best indicators of interest I’ve found is that she’ll follow you around the club if you try to take her somewhere else With a girl in a club I usually end up doing a combo of dancing, talking in the smoking area or quieter parts and walking about and exploring the place with her if it’s big enough You can prob kiss her anywhere if she’s not super shy

Assuming this is JP, he's a huge supporter of Big 5. And also obsessed with Jung, like you say. Which yea, honestly doesn't bode so well for cognitive functions, lol

You're not wrong, I could probably grow from daygame. But it sounds like you're super hung up about nightgame because my experience of it is not really like that at all. I find it super fun. It might just not be for you and that's fine, but it doesn't sound like you've had the right experience of nightgame yet. There's a reason lots of people enjoy going to clubs in the first place The girls who go out partying are normal girls, the guys who go out partying are normal guys. They aren't any different from any other people. If you go to any major club it's practically overflowing with attractive girls and they're all within a 30 second walk of each other. It's hard to find a place more concentrated with girls anywhere else You can go out at night in large cities to their major clubs without getting absolutely out of your mind drunk and you're going to be mostly safe, if you don't go around picking fights or being aggressive You have to be really dumb, drunk, aggressive or unlucky to be in serious danger during nightgame. If someone tries to mug you then you just give them your shit, and walk away unharmed. But that's not gonna be a common occurrence in most cities, especially if you stay in the busier parts. I've barely even had a verbal altercation with anyone in a year of going out every weekend The risk in day game is to your reputation, which is a reasonably high risk in anything less than a giant city. At least for me. I do not want to be the guy who either gets known for (or gets in trouble for) going out hunting for pussy on the high st at 11am on a Saturday. It's just super cringey and 90% of the population are going to side against you for doing it Yes ideally you should be a man and not give a fuck, but frankly this does not seem like a worthwhile risk for me. I'd rather just occasionally approach girls during my regular day that I find attractive This is part of the fun I do enjoy the drama of being in a club. It's rare you ever find yourself in such chaotic environments at any other time and it's amazing after you learn to be at ease and relax in that environment It doesn't need to be that perfect. I live 25 minute drive away from the city I go out every Friday in and that works out alright for me. You do need a good amount of disposable income, I'll agree on that. I end up spending a fair amount, but to me it's worth it. And I often go solo, and have no troubles with that either. Other than a few places that don't let you in solo, but that's easy enough to work around

I don't think anyone said it was trans-rational. It's more that social skills and relationships are a basic part of life that you need to have down and sorted out before you can move onto more advanced things in a healthy way. A well-rounded person knows how to let loose, not give a fuck, party, socialise and enjoy themselves now and then. Being the philosophy-obsessed, anti-party, stick-up-ass dude is not what you should aim to be in life. But it's a very common way that many under-socialised people try to justify their poor social skills: "I wouldn't partake in all that dumb, trashy partying, I'm too busy contemplating the important things in life like philosophy" Source: I used to do this and now I realise how dumb it is

I never said it was true, I said I think it's creepy which is just an opinion. Though probably one that I suspect many people would share I mean ya kinda do. If a girl asks what you're out doing and you say you're approaching girls on the street to get laid, it isn't gonna go down well It's more honest than hardcore daygame. You could prob even get away with literally saying "I'm just out to get laid tonight" in nightgame if you said it with the right energy and owned it. But generally speaking I just say "I'm out partying" which is pretty much what I'm doing. My primary aim is to go out and enjoy myself, getting laid is just a bonus To me that seems far more authentic And I would agree with you. If you met the girl authentically while you were living your life. That's about as wholesome and romantic as it gets The issue I take is purely with leaving your house during the day to go looking for sex, and then spam approaching girls on the street Again, I'm not saying that these things should be illegal or that you shouldn't do them. Simply that I personally find them cringey and that you have a much greater chance of getting into trouble if you do it badly, which I would like to avoid

Lmao, she literally sent you a text telling you how great you were, whatever you did worked so stop overthinking it What you should do next time you see her is actually let yourself get horny looking at her. Look into her eyes and let yourself feel raw physical attraction while you look at her. She will feel this energy if it's genuine and it will turn her on as well

I am not against daygame per se, I would approach or talk to occasional girls I see that are attractive as I go about my day-to-day life, but I keep the hardcore 10-20 approaches in a short space of time to nightgame, I suppose that is just my preference and where I feel most comfortable I've never left my house just to daygame. I think that's when it becomes creepy and needy. If you wanna build a life that a girl wants to be a part of, it's better to be a dude who knows how to party and have a good time than a dude who leaves his house at 11am on a Saturday to go looking for sex on the street Again, I'm not saying it can't work. I know it can work. But it feels like it has a lot less integrity, and requires a lot more 'not giving a fuck.' And maybe that's a good thing. But you're pretty much always gonna need to lie heavily about why you're out if you go daygaming, compared to nightgame where you can just go out and party with girls and it all feels far more authentic, at least to me

Honestly the US is probably too far gone The reason gun control works in other countries is because they don’t have that many guns in the first place The US has so many guns that you can’t ever hope to control and regulate them On top of that, there are countries like Switzerland that have tons of guns too, but still have way way fewer deaths and mass shootings That implies that there’s something categorically fucked about the mental state of a lot of American culture as well that is going to take a lot of work to fix Hell, I’d say it’s nearly impossible If a dude turning a Vegas hotel room into a military grade armoury and opening fire on a concert killing 60 people, and school shootings with death tolls upwards of 20, don’t make people want to change then nothing will

As bad as this sounds, I thought school shootings barely even made national news in the US now? Last time I checked the average was a school shooting every week in the US It’s truly a fucked up country

Nah the message is useless. Superlikes are also quite likely useless. The only thing worth paying for on Tinder is exposure. A big factor to not getting matches is that you don’t even show up on that many girls’ card stack to begin with Platinum means that you’re far more likely to show up on a girls’ stack of cards after you like her, since it ‘prioritises’ your likes, almost like a super like but without the neediness I was happy throwing £25 into that experiment, and it did help me quite a bit. Probably double or tripled the number of matches I got for about 2 weeks, then it died down. No idea why, could be that I burnt through the girls in my area or could be more sketchy shit. Remember that once you’re a paying customer, it isn’t in tinder’s best interest for you to find a long term partner This time around on tinder I’m not paying, especially those exorbitant prices

I’ve bought 6 months of Tinder plus a couple times, and one month of Platinum. I paid like £25 for 6 months of plus about a year ago, and about £20 for a month of plat about 4 months ago I took a break from tinder for a while but now I’m back, just took a look at their pricing just now and they now wanna charge me £60 for 6 months of Tinder plus?? And £40 for one month of platinum!!! Thats actually insane. They’ve been shown to discriminate based on age for subscription costs, but I’m 22. So either they’ve straight jacked their prices up by like 2x or they’re up to some sketchy shit with returning paid customers

A small group of people secretly controlling the entire world is a super unstable system You think that small secret group all work together, or you think they fight and compete with each other for power within the group? You think they’d be able to keep that secret? What if one of them decides to out the rest of the group? They’d just reveal all the secrets of the small group and then the whole thing collapses. All it takes is one person in the group to develop a conscience or feel guilt Think about the actual interpersonal mechanics of a small group of people running the entire world. You’re falling into a trap of viewing them as this mysterious entity at the top of society, but they’re all just human beings that do exactly the same dumb shit as every other human being which means their system isn’t going to be stable at all Just like every empire in humanities’ past, it would implode eventually

Well she also swiped right on a bunch of other dudes and if she likes one of them more and he’s giving her attention she won’t reply to your messages Thinking about this too much is not healthy for your self esteem which is why I think that beyond optimising your profile pics you should take as low effort as possible approach to dating apps. I have notifications for them disabled on my phone and I check them maybe three times a day max unless I’m messaging a girl There are guys who kill on dating apps, and there are guys who get nowhere. For these dudes, dating apps are simple. Dudes like you and I who are somewhere in the middle are actually in the danger zone of being sucked into spending way too much time (and money) on dating apps, because they tease the fuck out of you Dudes in the middle might also be subject to some sketchy shit by dating apps as well, because they’re the only people that are ever going to pay. For example, there is a decent amount of anecdotal evidence that paying for a boost on Tinder will work, but then once it ends you find that you get far less matches than you used to previously until you boost again

There isn't really a secret to this. At least, I haven't found anything reliable in like 2 years of Tinder So I usually just go for fairly low effort stuff. If she's interested, then pretty much anything will work. If she's not, then there isn't really anything you can say to make her reply Maybe 10% of my matches go more than two or three messages back and forth, if you want a point of reference. From what I gather that sounds about right for Tinder

"Who wants to demonise them?" *proceeds to demonise them*

I agree Mostly, when guys say they don’t like makeup, they mean they don’t like excessive or badly applied makeup But each to their own, I can certainly see the appeal of wanting a girl who wears no makeup. And personally I’m not a fan of piercings but plenty of guys are

This thinking is too black and white Yes, over-censorship can cause things to build up and burst, but allowing them free reign of a public platform spreads those ideas to more and more people who end up getting sucked in which is far worse People get brainwashed super easily, we know that. Society has a responsibility to try and prevent people from being dragged into harmful ideology Think mums radicalised into anti-vax through Facebook and the potential harm that causes. That’s a prime example of this dynamic There was a thread here recently of a dude who got radicalised by 4chan (a paragon of free speech online) and ended up shooting 10 black people

Your use of the word ‘couple’ here shows that you don’t get just how much rejection from girls guys have to face throughout their lives He’s probably talking about a couple hundred rejections/ghosting he’s experienced Any guy doing a lot of dating is probably gonna deal with a couple thousand throughout his entire life

@Striving for more I’m not saying no one should do daygame, it can work for some guys under some circumstances, clearly it does for you I’m simply saying that it tends to be interpreted as very needy and creepy by wider society and with good reason 90%+ of the dudes who end up doing hardcore daygame just annoy or creep out a lot of girls The fact that daygame is only viable when you get to a city with a population of 1 or 2mil or more is an indicator of the issue, it requires an absurd amount of anonymity to avoid getting into serious trouble or building up a bad reputation There are already dudes in the 1mil pop city near me that have a poor reputation, or have gotten in legal trouble for doing hardcore daygame. Several news articles on them Meanwhile I can do nightgame in my 100k town and have no issues at all. If I started doing hardcore daygame here I’d be in a news article (or all over social media) by the end of the week, even if I was good at it To me there’s no reason to hardcore daygame when nightgame A) Is actually fun B) Is far less risky C) Has more girls concentrated in a small area D) Has way more receptive girls Basically the only disadvantage is cost and sleep pattern but these are not huge factors if you’re careful

No, nothing at all. She was creeped out because you said something socially uncalibrated and quite over the top out of nowhere You coulda got away with that line no problem if you’d built some sexual tension/chemistry up first