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My core argument was that calling women “whales,” “ugly bitches,” “leftovers”, "resource-hoarding hamsters,” claiming women cannot listen properly, and crudely assigning their entire value according to age (among other examples from this thread) is unnecessarily degrading, and does not provide any value to the discussion. “Don’t read it” only explains how someone can avoid seeing the language. It doesn’t address whether that language is reasonable or what its negative effect on the forum’s culture is. Nor does anything you've said address that other members are allowed to critique public posts if they think the language being used is unnecessarily degrading. I don't think you've addressed the core argument at all, but several of the comments you made are personal attacks.

Calling something a lie doesn’t make it one. 1) By “policing,” I mean repeatedly attempting to delegitimise criticism by telling people not to read, engage with or judge the thread. 2) Yes, people can choose not to read it. They can also choose to read it and criticise it. You keep defending the first choice while treating the second as illegitimate. 3) Fair enough, you didn’t literally call me immoral. My point is that you object to me making moral judgements while freely judging my criticism as petty and illegitimate, which is also a moral judgement. 4) You’ve called me a masochist, implied I’m sexually unsuccessful, and suggested people disagreeing with you “don’t get laid” and have “serious troubles.” You’ve now accused me of lying and bullshitting. Those are personal attacks. You can argue that they were justified if you want, but you cannot seriously claim you haven’t made a single one.

Too much analysis? I said that a lot of the language in this thread is crude and unnecessarily insulting towards women. I don't think that requires a lot of analysis or brainpower to understand.

The irony is that you accuse me of policing the thread while repeatedly telling people not to read it, engage with it or judge it. I haven’t tried to censor anyone, I’ve expressed my opinion about the language being used. You’re defending their freedom to speak crudely while trying to disqualify my (and others) freedom to criticise it. That is far closer to policing than anything I’ve done. The same argument applies for morality too, you're essentially accusing anyone criticising crude behaviour of being immoral, which is itself acting as an arbiter of morality. Not to mention continually resorting to personal attacks instead of actually addressing any arguments or opinions.

Again, this was not targeting @Inliytened1 specifically, there are many examples of that kind of language in this thread from several different users, hence why I worded it in a general way.

It's not like those are the only examples of this kind of language in this thread, and I'm not targeting this specifically at him. It was a broader point about the language from several different people across the entire thread. I would argue that actually makes it worse, not better. If you're going to insult someone you should at least say things you'd be willing to say to their face. I do just fine, thank you very much. In fact, I've actually noticed my dating life getting significantly better as a result of viewing women as human beings and not pieces of meat. Surprising, I know.

Of course. I'm not above that. But a mindset of "I am not personally attracted to overweight women" is very different from calling someone a whale. In fact part of the reason I feel fairly passionate about this is that I used to be quite callous in the language I used to talk about women until I realised the harm it causes. I would not want people talking about me or people I care about like that. This realisation came from reading how women in places like FemaleDatingStrategy talk about men. It made me feel quite unpleasant and bitter, after which I realised that I was basically doing the same thing in reverse with how I was talking about women's bodies.

Again, there are parts of this thread that are clearly very insulting, and unnecessarily so. If someone is using terms which are both entirely unnecessary for their point and very insulting, it is hard to argue that is acceptable behaviour. You don't need to be an arbiter of morality to see that's not behaviour that should be accepted.

I'm not even sure how to approach replying to this. You called women "whales" and "ugly bitches" which is indefensible regardless of how much you comment in the high consciousness areas of the forum.

Speak for yourself

I'm not sure how that's relevant, the 'higher values' point generally applies to all sections on a forum like this, it's the whole point of being here. The dating section is the area I have the most direct experience in, hence why I spend the most time actually commenting here. I read the consciousness section but I don't have as much direct experience to draw from there so I don't comment as much.

Just because lots of people do it doesn’t make it right. Especially on a forum where higher values are generally encouraged. Care to elaborate on… why? It’s very comparable.

Day clubs are pretty comparable to night clubs. Though there are typically less people dancing, it's slightly less chaotic and social overall, and it's less common for people to hook up directly from a day club than a night club. This is because in a day club everybody still wants to spend the rest of their day doing stuff, not going home and hooking up.

The language used in parts of this thread is unnecessarily abrasive and dehumanising. "It's a men's thread" shouldn't mean that the men here are allowed to talk about women like they're evaluating the quality of a piece of meat. The same applies when you read content in women's dating spaces and you see them talking about men like they're evaluating a bank account. It's bad when either gender does it.

Yea, exactly. Half the dudes in this thread would get quite upset reading r/FemaleDatingStrategy and say that the women are gold diggers and materialistic etc. then in the same breath write out shit like what’s in this thread.

Racism is about race..... The reality is that most people are very selfish, regardless of gender. Even you are being selfish: "fuck a women and be done with it". You're doing the inverse of what you accuse women of. "Women only want resources, they're leeches and provide no value back to men" is your argument here, yet if you just fuck a woman and drop her you are doing essentially the same selfish thing in reverse. Taking as much as you can while giving as little in return.

Alright dude

Racism?? Lack of integrity of women? What?

I'm going to be honest, this has not made it any clearer what point you're trying to make

To answer the core question of the thread and keep this vaguely on topic, the most unusual places for me are: Against a tree in a park at night, the risk made this incredibly hot for both of us In an empty office building after leaving a club, was meh, the overhead lights were very bright and not very sexy On top of a mountain, really hot Outside on a bench behind a hostel with two girls, no idea how we did not get caught, but obviously incredibly fun and hot

Can you expand on what you mean here? I don't quite understand what your point is

From my research, I only found two studies that are even vaguely implying anything like what you said. One found small amounts of male DNA in women’s brains. However, the researchers concluded it most likely came from pregnancies, miscarriages, male twins or transfusions. The study never tested sexual intercourse, and its author later called that interpretation “erroneous and misleading.” The other found that seminal fluid from a previous mate affected offspring size in one species of fly. However, this was a non-genetic effect and has never been demonstrated in humans. There is no evidence that women retain every sexual partner’s DNA or pass their traits to future children. Speak for yourself. I don't want a virgin GF, I want a girl who likes to fuck, knows how to fuck, and knows what she likes already.

Then post your facts and data dude

Yes, to a degree, be interesting, make assumptions and tell stories. But if you never ask questions throughout your entire date you will start to annoy her. Most of my female friends complain about how common (and tiring) it is to go on a date with a guy who always redirects the conversation back to himself and never asks her anything. The ideal is a balance of the two. Tell interesting stories and give her opportunities to tell hers as well by asking good questions.

Dude 😂 you're either trolling, stupid, or brainwashed Send links to your 'proof' of this since you're so confident