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Oh, that's true, I forgot about research chemicals. I live in the UK so research chemicals are illegal by default. Our drug system is a whitelist rather than a blacklist, so our law literally states that the only legal psychoactive compounds are caffeine, nicotine and alcohol, anything else psychoactive is automatically illegal.

You can legally buy the spores online, and you can legally buy the grow kit online, but it's illegal to actually grow the spores into mushrooms. That might be what you saw. I've never seen a site on the clearnet selling psychedelics and it's unlikely any site that did this would last very long before being busted. But there are probably a few niche sites that do it if you look hard enough. It would be a really bad idea to buy from them though. Chances of you getting in trouble are quite high. You have to use the dark web for it if you want to buy them online safely.

I probably am a bit biased against it to be fair. Maybe it is just where I'm from. I can't think of a single person I know who would respond positively to me telling them I went out day gaming, and maybe that's part of it. The idea of even telling anyone I know I was going out day gaming makes me cringe, so I'd basically have to keep that part of me a complete secret. Whereas with nightgame for example I can talk about it with almost everyone and often even get encouragement lol. I've even told girls I was talking to while out at night that I'm purely out to pick up girls and it often gets a laugh. But try the same honesty with daygame and you'll get weird looks. I often have trouble handling what people think of me which is possibly why I think daygame is just not a good thing because to the average person it is a weird thing to do. That doesn't mean it objectively is, but it certainly makes me want to avoid it. I suppose in an ideal world you would just not care what people think and do it anyway.

@Karmadhi @Optimized Life It isn’t even about whether it can work. Of course it can work. The issue is that even if you are able to appeal to 10% of girls you are irritating or creeping out the other 90% You can find tons of posts where woman talk about how annoying or irritating it is to be approached all the time when they’re out trying to go about their day. You are basically being exactly like those annoying salespeople who approach you on the street and try to sell you crap. They annoy the shit out of me and I only encounter them once a month. Girls gotta deal with this shit almost every single day I have nothing against day game where you approach a few girls you see that you really like as you go about your day, this is perfectly acceptable behaviour as long as you have basic social skills. It’s the type of day game where you are intentionally going out and approaching one after another after another that is problematic, and probably 95% of the population would call it a red flag I tried to make a case for it on Reddit a while back when I wasn’t against that type of pickup and got downvoted into oblivion for making a fairly reasonable and level-headed case in favour of that kind of daygame. If Reddit of all places finds it repulsive then god knows what the general population (who you are actually approaching) think of it Yea, if you do daygame in a small city you’re gonna end up with an awful reputation very quickly because it’s a fundamentally creepy practice. You aren’t tarnishing your reputation in a large city but you’re still doing exactly the same practice which is basically being a public nuisance at best, because you are willing to creep out and irritate hundreds or thousands of women just to find a few who are receptive to you. This is selfish and problematic behaviour. I’d rather meet girls in a way that I feel maintains my integrity

It is spam approaching. I don’t know what else you’d call doing chained approaches on a busy street while girls are just tryna go about their day It’s not even really spam approaching if you do it in a bar or club because there that practice is really just getting to know everyone Of course you need to set up intent, but your intent should probably not involve annoying and creeping out half of the girls on a street during the day

It's a red flag if you're getting up at 11am on a Saturday morning to go and approach a hundred girls on your local high street. It's not a red flag if you're out and about doing what you normally do and you see a girl you like and you strike up a conversation. If I wanna do spam approaching I just go on a night out because girls are like at least 20x more receptive to conversations with new guys on a night out anyway and it's pretty much considered socially acceptable

Then by all means explain to me how you plan on finding what you want in a relationship. What is your approach going to be to find the girl you want? In concrete terms to me what your approach is going to be to find the girl of your dreams? It's as concrete as it gets. 'Go and talk to lots of girls' But in your mind that is pickup so you don't like it. It doesn't even have to be framed as pickup. It's really just doing tons and tons of socialising and learning how to meet lots of new people. And I'm going to hold you to this: Elaborate. The reason I'm being quite aggressive is because the way you are now comes across very similar to how I was in the past when I was inexperienced and it riles me up to see someone falling for the same trap. Sorry if I am coming across too harsh.

What counterexamples do you have for what I'm saying? And what proof do you have from other people's lives? From what I gather your approach is kind of just "sit around and think about what I want in a relationship and then prey the perfect girl magically appears in front of me and that I can attract her when she does" which I just cannot ever see being an effective approach. My approach is pretty much "don't get stuck in theory, rely on your heart, feelings and instincts, have fun, get lots of exposure to different types of girls, do things that scare you and push yourself" and I'm struggling to think of a counterexample of that approach. It's literally just the basic principles of mastery applied to relationships. Or healthy pickup really.

The problem is that it's a vicious cycle. You do one or two creepy things when you are socially inexperienced and then that makes you start to believe that you 'are just a creepy person and no one will like you' which makes you assume people will find you creepy in future interactions, so you try really hard not to be creepy, which actually makes you come across more creepily, which reinforces these beliefs that you are creepy, repeat ad infinitum. I don't really know the solution, but this is 100% the cause. You can see it in the way you both write. You believe you are just creepy people. Which is obviously not objectively true, but your deeply held beliefs make it reality for you

I can also ask you to prove that your approach is better. How many relationships have you been in using your approach? How many girls would you say you have built a connection beyond friendship with in your life? I suspect your response will be "it's a game of quality not quantity" however the truth is that the best way to find a partner you connect deeply with and love is to experience a decent variety of different partners so you know exactly what you want from a loving relationship.

Oh my fucking god, please just go and get some experience with girls. You're overthinking this. It's not that deep. Build up some social value, get lots of exposure, see what's out there, and you will find love. You will learn what to do and what not to do in relationships by having relationships. Not by sitting in your bedroom thinking about relationships.

I did word it a bit aggressively but it was to make a point. I wasn’t projecting hate. The point is that if you don’t have the general social skills to talk to girls then you aren’t likely to be able to do well with the spiritual or high consciousness girls you may want either Pickup is a good way to build and practice those skills

What happens when the hot spiritual girl you love who's doing shadow work and working on herself thinks you're a creepy shy weirdo because you shit your pants when you try to talk to her? The point of healthy pickup isn't really about getting laid, it's about learning to be a man and learning how to socialise, which is necessary to attract almost any girl

You are looking for reasons, explanations, logical understanding. But you fundamentally misunderstand women by approaching it like this. Connecting with girls is not about being logical. You need to feel into your emotional side rather than trying to explain and understand everything. Things are the way they are, feminine energy is chaotic, mysterious, it defies understanding by its very nature. You can only really start to get a grasp of it with experience and practice Possibly it isn't the right environment for you, that's true. But often a lot of guys who say 'clubs aren't the right environment for me' are actually just terrified of club environments and then they invent all this pompous crap about connection or depth as a way to sooth their ego from not being able to cope with busy social environments. I know this because I used to do it. It's totally possible to build connection in clubs. I've done it tons of times. I find it easier than elsewhere because in clubs you can do or say way more direct things than you can in day to day life, which makes it super quick to build up a connection with a girl. You also don't need to build up a deep connection on the night. You can enjoy the superficial fun of partying, have a great time with a girl, and then you can set up future dates where you get to know each other on a deeper level. The advantage of clubs is just that there are so many hot girls in one place at the same time that it gives you a massive amount of exposure.

How much experience do you have with talking to girls in clubs? And you don't go to dingy bars and clubs, you go to good bars and clubs. Yea, the process of attracting girls in clubs is slightly different, you have to be quite high energy and exciting but it doesn't mean you can't connect. You're just connecting in a different way that suits the environment more. Connection doesn't have to be a dry conversation about your shared values over dinner, it can be comparing your vibe with each other in a chaotic environment like a club. You make a lot of excuses which is probably going to hurt you a lot.

Most of the girls you meet in clubs are literally just normal girls and you can connect with them like you connect with a girl elsewhere. Everyone loves to party

I mean you have to be willing to put yourself out there as you are and get rejected hard for it. I guess that’s vulnerability But it doesn’t help you to know “What hooks a woman? Vulnerability” You can’t go out to a club armed with this quote and attract girls with it, which is why it’s kind of pointless to even think about that much

You don’t. Because if you did then every guy on the planet would know it and incels wouldn’t exist But by all means, tell me

If someone could simply tell you how to hook women we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place because you could just Google the answer and get any girl you want. But you can’t Google the answer. Because it isn’t that simple People are complicated, women’s attraction is especially complicated. It’s based on a whole bunch of factors that combine holistically to determine whether she’s attracted to you or not. Personality, masculinity, appearance, dress sense, how similar you are to her, how confident you are, your social status… The list goes on forever and it’s different for every girl There are patterns, like confidence, humour, playfulness, edginess etc. that get you better than average success but you can’t really learn these things without throwing yourself into the deep end and talking to girls. It isn’t as bad as it seems once you start Go to some parties, bars, clubs, start talking to girls and see what happens. No amount of learning is going to prepare you or make you less scared, you’ve just got to do it. Be a man and face your fears The framework above is just a way for you to get more of an intuition about how to talk to and attract women. It’s not a magical framework to attract any women, since that doesn’t exist. It doesn’t take thousands of approaches unless you have really shitty social skills. If your social skills are decent it will be way less. You just need exposure to girls and some practice

The framework is literally this: Go to a place with lots of girls Talk to lots of them Get rejected or find one that’s open to you Repeat This is all the theory you need to start taking action. Once you start taking action you can look at some more detailed theory. But primarily you will learn by practice making mistakes Your mind is tricky and will come up with ways to make you think you’re making progress without actually taking any action You don’t attract girls with IQ. You attract them with EQ. But you want to apply logic and theory to the problem because it’s far more comfortable for you than going out and talking to lots of girls

Yea but eventually you’ve still got to get in a car and actually learn to drive It’s better to learn the theory side of driving as you go. You don’t really learn to drive well by reading books. You have an instructor who tells you things as you need to know them while you’re actually sitting in a car practicing What you’re doing is like spending hours thinking about the accelerator and brake pedals of a car and convincing yourself that you’re making progress towards being a good driver

Yes, what women view as masculine strength varies. But the core is still the same. Being able to lead, being comfortable in your body, being able to communicate well, being able to emotionally stimulate her, having emotional intelligence. If you can't do these things you can't attract feminine girls reliably. And you can't learn these things from a book, or by thinking about them extensively. Smart guys don't suddenly stop being attracted to tits and ass. They may start look for other things in a girl beyond looks, but the fundamentals of attraction are still running in their head. It's no different for girls. You are overthinking this. Go and talk to lots of girls. This is the solution. You are not going to learn how to attract a girl you like by writing forum posts about your theories online. It's just a distraction that your brain convinces you is progress.

Assuming you're talking about @Kwashiorkor? Just ban him. What he said is like so fucking dumb you can tell nothing valuable is ever going to come from him here ever

Women get attracted to authenticity, fun, emotions, playfulness, leading. All of those are created impulsively in the moment, they aren't calculated or studied. It is that simple. But it's also difficult and takes a lot of practice if you're a guy who spends a lot of time in your head, which is a lot of guys here, me included. The way you learn is by taking action. By talking to lots of women. By learning how to feel into your body and be in the moment. Have fun. Be playful. Lead her. What you are doing when you are thinking about or studying how to attract girls is like trying to learn basketball by reading books. They do care about you being creepy. What I was saying is that the way to not be creepy is to talk to lots of women and learn what doesn't creep them out in practice. If you really suck with girls you're going to have to accept that you will probably creep some girls out before you get good at talking to girls. If you're constantly in your head trying not to be creepy, that will make you creepy to a lot of girls. This is kind of flawed thinking. Most girls are attracted to the same fundamental things, and creeped out by the same fundamental things, just like you and almost all guys are attracted to tits and ass.

This is the problem. Spending so much time analysing what is creepy is actually gonna make you more creepy. A woman doesn't hear about a man analysing how to not be creepy and think 'oh yea I want some of that' It isn't that you're dumb, not at all. Kind of the opposite. It's a common trap for smart guys to fall into where they get super theoretical and in their head about women while there are guys who aren't giving a fuck about any of this out there just taking action and slaying. Fundamentally, success with girls is about getting out of your head, not getting deeper inside it