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I've done it but I don't really view it as pickup. I keep all my 'approaching' to places where it's pretty much socially acceptable like clubs. It doesn't even feel like doing an approach there, it just feels like meeting lots of new people. My personal opinion is that hardcore daygame is a bit scummy/cringy, but I argued that point on another thread to death already.

Yea, for example a busy train on a Friday night when everyone is going on a night out is a different story. Everyone is in a more sociable mood so you can get away with far more. Yes but there are consequences to going too much against the grain as well. Ideally you want a balance of going against the grain and going with the grain. Cool people get this balance of individuality and collectivity spot on which is what you kinda want to do.

Sometimes the intellectually smartest people are a nightmare to deal with. In my course at uni the smartest people in the class were often almost impossible to work with or would ask really irritating and pedantic questions throughout lectures constantly. Or they'd often try to outsmart or catch out lecturers etc. Not all the really smart people, but it was a noticeable pattern. You can have smart people with really low EQ that are way worse than less intellectual people who have a high EQ. Really whenever you are interacting with people, a high EQ person will convey their perspective to you well, even if their perspective is not that intellectual

"I love you so much I need the government to force us to stay together forever <3" – Marriage

Well it seems that the Canadian government doesn't care, which is fantastic. I hope they don't start shutting them down. I wish it was like this in the rest of the world lol. Sounds quite similar to the Netherlands actually.

No, because they are acting in their best interest to protect themselves. From their perspective you are likely a threat if you’re trying to engage them in places people don’t normally mix socially. like @Roy said, you are fighting collective ego and culture which is a silly fight to take It comes across as being super socially uncalibrated and that’s on you, not them. Obviously if you just try and talk to someone normally in a busy train and they pepper spray you that’s an overreaction, but if they tell you to fuck off or get lost I’d say that’s honestly a perfectly acceptable reaction.

You sound like you have bigger fish to fry than getting girls. You’re irrationally angry at this The dude is doing what he thinks is right. Chances are you are coming across as threatening rather than him being the one in the wrong in this scenario

@Scholar You should definitely try to avoid some red flags in relationships if you don’t want serious problems. Dating a narcissist is an awful idea. Dating someone who doesn’t respect you is an awful idea. You are putting yourself through far more torture than you need to by choosing to stay with such people, let alone trying to heal them Yes a relationship should be beneficial for both parties but in order for that to be the case both parties need to meet some basic requirements

Paranoia should be the default when you are doing something that has the potential to see you sent to prison. I do live in a country with archaic drug laws (UK) and even though we typically don't prosecute for personal use quantities either, I am not risking my whole life because I didn't take an extra hour or two's worth of precaution. It sounds like you live in a country where it is perhaps reasonably safe but that is still only a minority of countries in the world. In most countries you are putting yourself at enormous risk by ordering psychedelics off the clearnet, if the sites even exist to begin with. In most countries I would bet if you find a site that does this it will be a scam anyway. So you have to be careful endorsing this kind of approach on forums online because you will influence people for whom doing the same as you is likely far far riskier. I agree with you entirely, but most of the world don't live in a country like Canada that is so relaxed. Lots of reasons. It's hard to differentiate between a site that sells illegal items and a site that just talks about them, so they'd get a lot of false positives by trying to hard block a site like that which would definitely cause lots of people to stop using the browser. Rules also vary in different countries which makes it hard to enforce. Most restrictions like this are enforced at ISP level. For example many ISPs in my country are required by law to block pirating sites. It doesn't really work, but they give it their best shot. Google will almost certainly profile you to the point of knowing that you are into psychedelics and I'm almost certain there are cases of them turning data like that over to authorities. For example I have read they run files uploaded to GDrive through a hashing algorithm that checks them against a database of hashes for illegal files and if you match something like child porn then you are reported to your local authorities. I believe Microsoft also started doing this with all the files on your PC at one point. And Apple talked about doing it with photos in your iPhone. Obviously this is a great thing for something like child porn, but it implies that they could do something similar with something like drug use which is far less cut and dry. Yes, that's probably not likely, but this is the kind of thing where you want to take a better safe than sorry approach.

I'd say the US is one of the worst first world countries to be born into now for the average person. You have a lot of shit going against you in terms of debt and risk to life compared to almost any other first world country. It's also probably quite a high risk high reward country in the sense that if you are rich it's probably one of the best first world countries to be in. Having said that I don't live there so that's just based off general impression and stories

Have you ever had people try to talk to you on crowded public transport before? Did you enjoy it? No, you probably thought they were a bit weird and wanted them to leave you alone. It's embarrassing and annoying most of the time, even if you don't have social anxiety. I keep all my 'approaching' to places where it's socially acceptable to go up and talk to new people and I've almost never had a hostile reaction in my life. Except my 2nd time ever in a club where I was just actually being weird and creepy. If you can 'not give a fuck' your way through this then more power to you but be careful you don't end up blaming people for reacting badly, because you are doing something that is inherently quite against the norm, potentially threatening and likely to stir up some often well-deserved negative reactions from people.

Oh my fucking god, please no. The paper trail doing something like this leaves is just... like... mind-boggling. Maybe you'll get away with this in the short term for a few small transactions, but the amount of incrimination you potentially bring upon yourself is crazy. If any of the vendors do get caught, the authorities now have your address, credit card info, proof of what you purchased etc. etc. Plus your ISP will see your activity, if you use Windows it has been known to spy on you for illegal activity. Chrome or whatever browser you use likely tracks you visiting these sites and sends it god knows where, and your browser history can end up littered with illegal sites which if you do get caught could be a fucking nightmare for you because now you can't deny making the purchase. Your bank will also see where the money goes, and if the account is then associated with illegal activity then that's another party who now knows what you're up to. Plus these sites will not have an escrow system I expect, nor any reputation at stake, meaning the chance of exit scams or other fuckery is also through the roof. There's no reason these sites couldn't be honeypots either. There is soooo much that could go wrong and soooo many parties that would become aware of what you are doing that running this risk is just such a bad idea. Please, please, never purchase anything off the clearnet. Even if it will 'probably' be fine, it is just soooo not worth the risk. There is plenty, you just need to go looking a bit harder. It's not especially easy to find but that's kind of how it has to be by its nature.

That's why I said it's toxic. But it can be done in non-toxic ways if you keep to girls who are also not looking for something super serious. Then it's really just experimentation and both sexes should do it, at least a bit. The really problematic cheating is when you are actually in a serious relationship. No one looks at that and says it's acceptable for either sex.

I honestly think the rate of cheating in serious relationships is probably pretty equal for male and female. But yea, there is an idea of playing the field for guys, especially younger ones, which is possibly quite toxic. Though it tends to be more about keeping relationships very casual and not getting too committed rather than outright cheating on explicitly serious relationships.

This is not the right attitude to have

You've probably heard this a bunch but it's almost all about how you say it not what you say This does explain a lot of your problems. Small towns are much more cliquey and sensitive to people who are perceived as outsiders which you are automatically if you make basic social errors. I live in a 100k town, and although it is a university town (so it's still quite busy socially) it's a noticeable different to the 700k city near me

The bigger problem here is building an identity around being smart. It tends to backfire quite a lot because you believe everything should be easy for you. But there are some things that are just plain hard and require a lot of work even if you are smart. Maths is one of those things. The people who are good at maths aren't always especially smart, they are just passionate and put a lot of work in. Out of curiosity, were you someone who could pass exams in school with minimal studying? This is quite a common archetype for someone who builds an identity around being smart.

Even if you can, holy shit, this is a terrible idea unless you basically take basically all the same precautions you do for a dark web purchase.

I've been doing solo nightgame for like a year, it's definitely doable. My biggest problem is not being allowed into clubs solo but there are plenty of ways to deal with that if you have a similar issue in your city but you still want to go out solo. The trick is to go to busy places where people don't stay in their groups and mix around a lot, since those are the places that it's easiest to talk to lots of new people.

You’re probably past that now. I’d move onto other girls. Maybe you get lucky and your detachment makes her change her mind but don’t count on it. It’s not worth your (or her) mental energy to engage in games like this

It always confuses me when I read people saying this. As far as I’m aware this is the exception, not the norm

I don't think it's wrong for guys to use hookers. However... For your first time? That's a bad idea. You will likely regret that for the rest of your life.

You see another way of doing it that is unverified, untested, and has gotten you no results as of yet. But you are choosing to ignore the results obtained by like 5-10 other people in this thread who have all created healthy loving relationships from pickup or similar, more direct approaches to dating. Look, you're clearly stubborn as a block of iron on this matter so I'm not going to talk to you about it anymore. Go out into the world and try out your approach, but you will realise quickly that idealistic approaches to dating like this are not good. There is no point discussing this. Let the rubber hit the road. Go and try out your approach and see if it works. That's all there is left for you to do.

I don't know if this is considered sourcing so I'm going to be intentionally vague, if you want more info do your own research. But if you're going to purchase from the dark web: Use markets, not individual sites Use Monero, not Bitcoin Use tails OS Choose locations inside your own country Follow literally all of the security guidelines even if it's a huge hassle

It isn't though. Clubs are kind of like networking events, you're supposed to make new connections and introduce yourself to lots of people. In clubs it doesn't even feel like 'an approach' to me, it just feels like meeting lots of new people. You tend to end up so intimate and close to other people that it's actually weirder if you don't talk to them. This is all especially true if you go to clubs that are popular with students. I think this is where you are projecting I do live in a friendly country, but I was down in London in the big clubs there recently and it was pretty much the same where you could find people to talk to pretty easily. Yea, there are groups who just want to be left alone but most people are at least tipsy and will talk to pretty much anyone. A high portion of people in clubs are extroverts who want to talk to other people. It also doesn't tend to work out like approaching a large group of people a lot of the time. More commonly, I'll meet an individual or two from a bigger group who then end up introducing me to others. Clubs break up big groups by their nature. The only time I've really seen big groups of people stay together in clubs is when they buy a booth or sit at a table, but even then the people at the booth often get up to go and dance and do their own thing. It was exactly the same in London as it is in Scotland so I can't imagine it's that different in Brussels. I bet you that girl thought that she was the only one he approached though. Or that it wasn't something he did often. A core part of daygame is convincing girls that you don't aren't out doing daygame, because for sure if they knew you had approached 15 other girls before her it would weird her out. It's inherently needy because by doing daygame you imply you can't get a date through conventional or socially acceptable means, which is scary for a girl. Even if you are out doing daygame you have to convince them that you are just out going about your day as normal. Yea, this is why you have to convince girls you're not doing daygame when you are. Because no matter how charming you are, you are being lumped in with all the weird and creepy guys the moment she knows what you're really doing. Like I said before, with nightgame it's different, I've told girls straight to their face that "I'm out on the pull" (I don't know if this is a phrase elsewhere but it basically means out purely looking to fuck) and it often gets a laugh. I can even be honest about being on my own if I am and it's usually fine. And yea I don't doubt that daygame can work or even be really effective for guys. I just don't like the ethics of the practice. Part of that is probably fear and bias. It really requires an ability to not give a fuck what other people think which is something I struggle with.