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The problem is that for women, being cat-called on the street by dudes poses a much more tangible threat to her well-being Some women shouting bizarre shit out of her car at you is not really a huge threat to your well-being

You’re giving far too much importance to an ultimately meaningless interaction with a silly stranger

Everyone gets far less socialisation by default in the modern world. Socialisation isn't really forced upon you anymore, you need to search for it actively. Which differs from every other time in human history. Guys are hit especially bad because the barrier to entry for socialisation for them is higher. Both because they won't be included in groups as effortlessly as women will, and because we tend to have less natural social intuition than women too. Basically it's quite easy to be let behind socially as a guy, and it's hard to catch up.

I got destroyed by the YT algorithm when I was like 13-14. Around 8-9 years ago now. Just totally indoctrinated into anti-SJW shit It’s exceptionally dangerous, and I expect it’s probably responsible for a not insignificant amount of right wingers in younger groups today. Modern search functions are ironically becoming worse and worse on all platforms as recommender systems become better and better. It’s not designed to help you find the content you are looking for anymore, it’s designed to feed you content that drags you into rabbit holes and stops you from leaving. YouTube search used to be good

Like almost all things worth doing in the world, there are some risks involved. Not everyone should take psychedelics. But because even say 5% if people will have an awful response to psychedelics doesn’t mean the remaining 95% can’t get great benefits. Those 5% is where the horror stories come from. They also get exaggerated because of the negative stigma surrounding psychedelics. A lot of people are allergic to nuts and will die if they eat one but we don’t ban nuts because of that. We just use caution and education. Ironically these substances being illegal and the lack of education around them as a result makes them more dangerous than they need be

I wondered why it was so frustrating to discuss things with you and I’ve worked out why. You string together lots of words but make almost no coherent points.

I mean, ironically, judging these people in such a way is not especially 'conscious' either You're essentially judging people for judging people

I actually don’t think there is that much theory involved in networking and socialising. I notice whenever people look for advice on how to be more sociable they want books and theory, but I’m more and more becoming convinced that these are mostly distractions. If you wanna get good at networking you start making small talk at places filled with people who you would like to network with. The hardest step here is actually finding those places and working up the courage to talk to people there consistently. Beyond that there probably isn’t much theory that can help you Becoming good at socialising of all forms is, I think, more or less about being in the right places, and removing blockages like anxiety and shyness. Actually learning what to do comes as a result of this, not books/videos/theories Especially if you already have decent baseline social skills

From your perspective it is worse because you are a man. What are some concrete examples of things that feminists commonly do to abuse men? I'm trying to understand your perspective instead of being dragged into a messy debate, which is where this is going. I really am just curious what you think the role of women in a perfect society is. I think it will help me understand where you are coming from better. This is very much a subjective issue, not a factual one.

I didn't say they were a good thing, I said they were not inherent to feminism. And anyway, I'd rather grow up with separated parents (I actually did) rather than parents who hate each others' guts and argue around me 24/7. In what contexts? My mother is a successful and independent woman in a male-dominated field who has frequently been on the receiving end of sexism, chauvinism, and just general dickheadedness from many of the men she works with because of her independent and driven nature. Your sense of what happens in the world is possibly based too much on what you read online. I am trying to understand what role you think women should play in the world. So I will ask you that. In your perfect world, what role should women play?

Most marriages have always been cesspools of toxicity, rising divorce rates are simply because divorce is more socially acceptable now. It's not because marriages are more toxic nowadays or because women are more independent. Strongly independent women face far more backlash from society in day-to-day life than traditional women do. Healthy feminism is largely about giving women the choice to live their lives however they choose, instead of being forced into submission. Some women will choose to be independent, just as some men may choose to live more submissive lives. Forcing everyone into traditional gender roles is not a good thing.

I wouldn't describe myself as a male feminist. I simply see how feminism fits into the world and why it's necessary. Men have dominated and abused women since the dawn of time, and they still do. Feminism's place is to be a counterbalance to that. Yea, some men will suffer because of feminist ideas, naturally. But it's not really comparable to the scale of suffering many women experience at the hands of men, which feminism exists to fight against. What happened to you is bad, and I'm sorry you had to deal with that. But most men won't have a story about how feminism has wronged them. Almost every woman will have one (if not multiple) stories about being abused physically or sexually by men. This was the point I was making. It's about the scale of the problems faced by each side.

It's not my fault you get annoyed at my posts. I just explained my view on the topic, my post wasn't really directed specifically at you. They were general points about my opinion on feminism which differ from yours. Then you responded with a weirdly hostile retort making it personal and dramatic. Now you're trying to construct some narrative where I am evil.

I haven’t really made that exact point in this thread yet. No need to be so hostile. Guarantee I could find five threads where you repeat yourself multiple times in the past week too, it’s not a big deal

I said this in another thread but the world has much bigger problems than extremist feminism. If you look at the experience many women have with men, you can see that there is a far bigger problem with even masculinity than there is with feminism I can’t think of any particular problem the existence of feminism has caused me as a guy, nor most of the girls/women that I know, but almost all of them have had a very concrete problem with men at some point in their lives Feminism has to exist to deal with that shit Yea some of the extreme feminism stuff is really dumb but it’s hardly world ending

Yea, social media algorithms radicalise a lot of the hardcore anti-SJW type dudes. The YT algorithm especially has identified it as an outrage rabbit hole, so it'll grab hold of your balls, drag you in, and never let go. It happened to me when I was like 13 or 14, it's terrible. It gives a very misleading representation of how widespread 'toxic' feminism is. And like you say, the algorithm targets socially deprived or young guys, who don't have the real world social experience to realise that most of the really horrible examples of feminism that they see online are not really representative of most women, nor are they as widespread as they are made out be.

Start doing cold approach on nights out. Go out to clubs. Or do cold approach in busy areas in the town outside clubs after the close. Girls are way more receptive when you approach them in naturally sociable places and it will make you feel like less of a creep

I've had social anxiety for my whole life. I have very lacking social skills. Setting precise goals would, I think, not be that helpful yet when I could barely introduce myself to new people or go into a busy environment until the past year. I've noticed that when I go out with little intention, with little expectations, just to have a good time, is when I end up meeting the most girls without even really trying. It's also when I make the most new friends. Maybe it's different for others but the thing that stops me from being charismatic and attractive is primarily anxiety and insecurity around my personality. Once I get over this and get into a good state I don't find I have any problems with girls. So really my goal is to develop myself socially so that I can get into that state more easily, and I feel like the rest should come naturally. Maybe it won't and I'll have to focus more specifically on being attractive to girls. Like I said, I'm still testing the waters.

Alright mate

Still a good idea to base your beliefs on something at least

It's an emotional perspective and not necessarily a rational one. I'm still working out what my perspective on pickup is. But seeing guys who are deeply ingrained in pickup culture is often just very cringy. I don't really like associating with pickup. I go out and talk to quite a lot of girls, but I view it more as learning to be a sociable and well rounded man than viewing it as pickup.

Whenever I read posts like the ones above it just makes me think "god if any of the girls you are talking to knew you were posting stuff like this online they'd run a mile" It's not that I even think it's wrong or it doesn't work, I know it does, it just makes me cringe. I think it's because it seems so tryhardy/needy/inauthentic to be idolising pickup coaches and focusing so hard on percentages and numbers

Alright mate, you do you

Mate you're on a psychonaut forum, you're gonna need to do better than that to convince people here lol

Your original wording that sparked a response from me was "I want one thing to focus on. One 'high-yield technique', as Leo talks about in his video on the 3-step formula" and I the point I wanted to make was that this mindset is too narrow and shows a misunderstanding of how women's attraction works. If you asked that question: "I want one thing to focus on. One 'high-yield technique', as Leo talks about in his video on the 3-step formula" and I responded with "don't be too logical" that single answer alone will not make you attractive to girls, but it will help. It is part of a bigger process of building yourself into an attractive guy. Do you understand? Women are not attracted to men who are manipulating them using techniques and processes. There are techniques and processes for getting better with girls, but they are not as narrow as you would like them to be. It is a holistic process where you build yourself into an attractive man by building a life and personality that is valuable to a woman. You can construct theories like this in your head all day long, it aint gonna get you laid No one has said this. What I personally said was that you were being too logical in your approach to how women's attraction works, thinking about them like computers you can get specific output from if you give them specific input, or perform a specific technique in front of them. Women's attraction is not based on logic. It's intuitive and emotional.