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Gotta admit, that hit the part of my mind that triggers alarm bells too.

I might ghost a girl who did this to me if I'm honest lol Maybe that's my introversion not liking voice/video messages with people I don't know though. I just feel like it's too much for someone you just met

I have no interest in wherever you want to take this. I wish you the best and hope you are able to get the results with girls you want

Mate this is a self-development forum, I’m giving you practical advice based on my impression of you, you can either choose to take it or ignore it. I’m not trying to debate you.

@Mesopotamian Mate you need to go outside, touch grass, and talk to some girls You’ve been thinking about dating a relationships too much. Time to take some action, less thinking.

Denial of what?? If anything you’re in denial about how attraction works

What are you talking about? This is essentially meaningless

This reads like cope. ”The world is too hard for me, make it easier, make other people change” Once you actually start dating women you see that a lot of the stuff you’re talking about here is not anything you need to worry about. Once you reach a basic level of attractiveness as a guy you can find plenty of girls who will commit to you and love you like crazy, help you through tough times, etc. What you’re essentially saying here is that women should deny their own instincts for finding attractive guys and choose guys who are weak and boring out of essentially charity

@Raze is shitting himself reading that ?

Look dude I don’t wanna start this again so I’m gonna make one simple comment and leave it at that: The only reason I got involved in the last thread was because it annoys me seeing people give advice about stuff they don’t have any experience with. You were talking about how wrong, untruthful, incorrect certain dating advice is, meanwhile you apparently have never been in a relationship, and don’t have any experience with dating (what you told me a while ago in another thread)

What results do you value?

Romantically? What truth? What is being contradicted? How are your opinions contradicting mine?

Well most guys here define experience with women as relationships, deep connection, and sex. I don't really know how else you would define it. Good luck learning to play baseball from observation. It just annoys me a bit that you present yourself as an authority with little experience. If you feel that is a personal attack, then feel free to report me.

You should start going to college parties. It's a lot easier to build attraction in really sociable environments like that.

I'm not taking away your right to have opinions, I'm just pointing out that you have no experience with what you are talking about confidently. That is a perfectly valid criticism.

I agree with you on redpill for the most part, I just think you're also a bit naïve. There are nuggets of truth to redpill, but the ideology and a lot of the theory is toxic. A lot of what women tell you they're attracted to and what they actually go for in guys is quite different. You will find that out when you actually try to attract girls instead of just talking to them casually. As a guy it helps you a lot to have some of the 'alpha' traits redpill preaches, as well as the sensitivity and vulnerability that you're talking about. Women like men who have both. It's hard to build attraction with only sensitivity and vulnerability, but those traits are much better for building long term relationships once you've already established attraction.

It's an important point when you are presenting yourself as an authority on women and dating.

I said this already, but I feel like most people would benefit more from having some no-self or non-dual experiences before they start going into all the higher level stuff Leo is talking about. If you haven't even had no-self experiences or understand non-duality, how are you hoping to properly experience something like god consciousness or alien love or whatever without deluding yourself? Leo did a ton of basic spirituality before reaching the levels he is talking about now. Even if they are true, almost everyone hasn't gone through the basic stages first.

What do you do to meet girls? Where do you normally go?

If someone is spouting tons of direct racism, hate speech, nazi support etc. or if someone is a pedophile, essentially everyone agrees they should be cancelled/banned/prevented from spreading their ideas So at some point there is a line that can be crossed where almost everyone collectively decides that someone should not be allowed to continue posting online. Mostly what you're talking about is just a disagreement over where that line should be, because everyone thinks it should be somewhere different. But the line always has to be somewhere or social media becomes a toxic mess. So when someone says they want to cancel cancel-culture I imagine they mean that they want the line to be further to the right than it is currently, they don't want to abolish the line all together.

Hot girls are usually experts at curating their image, so you end up seeing a far more glamorous view of their lives on social media compared to reality. Yea, there are a few who make money off their looks on social media etc. but companies rarely hire incompetent girls just because they're hot. Maybe it gives them an advantage, but it's not like they can just walk into jobs with absolutely zero experience/training, be incompetent, and get away with it for a long time. Interestingly, I read recently that women who are in charge of hiring often have a fairly strong bias against women who they think are more attractive than them. Which makes sense because I could certainly that happening with guys as well.

Last I remember you'd never dated or been in a relationship, though.

The problem is it sounds very bizarre and weird to most people. It reads kinda culty even though I don’t think it is. Most people haven’t even had basic no-self experiences, let alone anything to do with alien consciousness. Like even you went through a lot of progression with more traditional forms of spirituality before moving into more advanced concepts like this, perhaps that’s a necessary progression for most people? Once I have sorted out the material parts of my life my plan is to focus on more traditional spirituality like no-self and non-duality because it feels like that’s an important step to pass through before I’d be open minded enough to start thinking about god consciousness or alien consciousness

In truth my actual viewpoint is closer to yours. I don't think anyone should be denied the opportunity to purse their true identity, I think young people with gender dysphoria should be given extensive care, attention, therapy and helped in every way possible. I'm not anti-trans I was just playing devils advocate and empathising a bit with the conservative world view instead of just outright calling them bigots. I did frame it quite aggressively towards you which might explain why you were so aggressive back, I probably shouldn't have done that, sorry Even if you think they're all bigots, it can be helpful to try and understand their viewpoint instead of just dismissing them and trying to beat them into submission. You won't change anyone's mind like that, you'll just make them defensive. Especially conservative minded people Their concerns are based in wanting to preserve traditions and avoid making changes that irreversibly damage society. That's the core of the conservative world view. I can see it isn't a completely unwise position even if I don't agree with it. It is very possible that widespread messing with identity and gender could have unforeseen consequences even if we don't know what they are yet. In the long term I still think it's a necessary step for us to take as it is clearly an important issue for many with gender dysphoria that needs to be addressed

You keep ignoring it when this particular point is made in this thread: Being cautious about fucking with gender/identity is not an unwise position. There could be unforeseen consequences of promoting trans ideas so heavily to young people. It could seriously fuck up their identity. Transitioning to a new gender should not be something that is considered so lightly because it causes radical and irreversible changes to a person, physically and mentally. And it may have unforeseen consequences for those kids who are not even trans in the first place but essentially get indoctrinated into that worldview. ^This is the conservative position for non-bigoted conservatives. Some are just bigoted, sure, but not all. The conservative position is based around being cautious of changing the status quo because rapid change can be dangerous, and cause more damage than it fixes.