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@Tyler Robinson Did you get the idea for that topic from Kanye? I think I remember you fangirling over him a while back Either way, it’s a conversation that has a high risk of devolving into conspiracy, racism and stereotyping (which are all against forum guidelines) without offering any clear benefit worth that risk

At the moment this is a valid argument, but if you look at ChatGPT for example it is able to combine pretty complex instructions and produce things like programming code based on those requirements. It’s basic and it makes mistakes just now but it’s already very impressive, and if you look at how fast AI technology is improving… hmmm

What did she mean by that?

@Tyler Robinson There are tons of high quality freelance developers who will do almost anything you can think of. Non-technical people think they got 'scammed' because they hire the cheapest developer and expect them to replicate something like a twitter app for minimum wage or less and then are disappointed with the results. They didn't get scammed, they got exactly what they paid for. I worked for a freelance developer as an intern (websites not apps, but roughly same idea) who was probably one of the best developers of the particular framework he was an expert on in the country. He worked freelance because it offered him more flexibility, more pay, and he wanted to grow his own business. But some of the bespoke web apps he produced were exceptional. And actually, one of the groups who are MOST likely to scam you are overly corporate IT companies, not freelancers. They may often charge a company ridiculous prices for an average (at best) end product that takes them quite a long time to produce. For example my university paid Oracle around £15 million for the bit of software that manages our students information and class timetables, and it is buggy, slow, looks like it was built in the late 90s and is almost impossible to navigate. They also paid a further £1-2 million for follow up maintenance. And it's not like that software does anything all that special or unique.

The way you write this sounds exceptionally creepy and a tad delusional lol

My personal preference is nightgame because it actually feels like fun instead of a chore. But it will be different for everyone. Daygame is also pretty risky in terms of being perceived as a creep.

I agree with you about day game. But in theory a guy who knows what he is doing could make these two scenarios indistinguishable.

The thing is that TONS of couples meet this way. So you can't just rule out the grocery store as a way to meet a partner. What's creepy is going out specifically to approach women at a grocery store. If you happen to see a girl you think is really special and cute when you're out and about doing what you do normally, going and talking to her isn't weird most of the time if you possess basic social skills. It's probably how a sizeable chunk of couples meet, lol.

No one really knows, is the only truthful answer. It probably depends on you. I’ve gone through periods of my life where I watch porn and where I don’t and it doesn’t seem to matter much for me as far as I can tell. I’ve settled on a moderated approach for the time being. I think it probably depends on why you watch porn. If you are doing to to cope with being lonely and unable to attract girls then it’s probably pretty unhealthy.

A) Generally it’s pretty rude to go into a cafe and tell people to leave and come to your cafe instead. That’s roughly analogous to what happened. B) I happen to think the cult risk argument is pretty valid too, but that’s harder to prove. Spirituality/self-help communities are weird and unique in that they attract wacky people. The not so wacky people have a responsibility to look out for the wacky ones. Discord is a much easier environment for wacky people to be subtly influenced into being even more wacky C) Dynamics that force people to be a little on edge about what they post and not just rattle off whatever is on their mind is also better for personal growth which is supposedly why we are all here. D) People don’t want a discord server because it will help them grow, people want one because it’s a more efficient distraction

People who look like they’re trying too hard are cringe. Most people on club dance floors barely dance at all anyway, it’s mostly two-stepping, swaying, head movement and fist pumps I see people doing. If you are the one giving a full on performance you’ll look like a prick and people will laugh at you, unless maybe it’s like crazy impressive but that’s unlikely on a crowded dance floor if you just fuck about, feel into your body and joke around with people no one is going to laugh at you

Chaos might actually kill someone here. Read my above comment.

I don't think you realise how severe and risky it really is. People in this community have committed suicide because of misunderstood teachings. Are you really willing to take responsibility for people's lives? It's also just plain rude to steal people from another platform to your own discord. You could argue you're acting very much in your own self-interest there, and putting people at risk while doing it.

You are one guy.

In my field of work there’s a term called a help vampire. Someone who asks for help so much to avoid doing work to change or improve, basically. Not saying this is you at all, I’m arguing generally against the point you make about asking for help a lot. And my point is that asking for help all the time is often a way your mind can distract you from doing the work that really matters. You get hits of dopamine when you ask for help and people reply, it makes you feel like you’re making progress and doing work even if that’s not necessarily the case. Again, I know you may take this personally but I don’t think this applies to you. I’m simply arguing against your general point about asking for help a lot.

Just because there’s demand doesn’t mean it’s healthy or productive. Short form chat is more chaotic, heated and emotional and it’s much easier for people to have their emotional state pumped up, which is a precursor for brainwashing and cults forming. It sounds extreme but the field this forum is in (spirituality) attracts people who get sucked into things like that. There have been a few suicides related to people essentially misinterpreting teachings for example. So it’s no laughing matter and lack of moderation + chaotic, emotional chats can have serious consequences.

It’s not like you are arguing in great faith either. You also write in a fairly arrogant/denouncing manner. And I argued with the substance of your point plenty of times previously but I don’t think we will see eye to eye on that. Leo’s argument above is similar to mine but written far more eloquently and concisely so debate against that if you want substance. The general impression I get from you on this topic is really similar to old conservative factory workers scared of losing their jobs to machines, that is the core point of my admittedly pretty aggressive post above. Progress is inevitable and your opinions about stopping it are like grains of rice in the grand scheme of things

Most of these women are living in countries where the population is predominantly white guys, it's more of a sampling issue than anything. There are whole cliques of women who fetishize black men My best friend in school was a 5'5 Bangladeshi guy who did way better with hot women when we went to uni than I did.

Welcome to fucking progress my dude. If you follow this argument to its logical conclusion you should just return to the stone age and live off the land, draw your art on cave walls with bone dust and dye. Most of the things in your field of view as you read this were items of technology that replaced other people's jobs in the past. You live in a world that exists because it has smashed and destroyed the jobs of the past by trivialising them. Yet newer challenges always arise that operate at a higher level of abstraction and require newer and more creative ways of thinking. How can you be so arrogant as to think that your profession should be exempt from technological progress while living in a world and society that was built completely upon hyper-technological progress? If it's not about the end product then stop monetising your art and do it for free. You'll still be able to do that no matter how good AI art becomes. You just might not be able to make a living doing it, but you won't be the first profession to fall to technological progress and you won't be the last.

Am both, and it's certainly not that easy. It still takes lots of work. Especially if you're kinda shy naturally.

You can push your way through the crowd. It takes some getting used to but most people accept others are going to push by them on the dancefloor to go meet their friends or to take a piss etc. As long as you don't actually shove anyone or aggressively bump into anyone you can be fairly direct about pushing by people. Basically just don't be a dick while also being assertive while moving by people.

This tells me how little experience you have in night clubs because any decent one will be filled with guys making out with and flirting with girls. You also can't possibly pay attention to every single section and person in a decently sized night club to know that you're the only guy pulling girls.

This is projection. Go out to a nightclub and you'll see how wrong you are about this. Guys who suck with women are a minority. It's an increasing minority, but it's still a minority.

The study has the issues you would expect. It claims to control for religion but something like 85% of the participants were religious which makes that pretty dubious. Also, only 16% of participants waited until marriage. Those aren't great numbers. And there's a good chance it was less than that and some were lying too. I bet you at least half of those did other sexual stuff but just postponed actual sex until marriage, notice they use the word intercourse. That fucks up the numbers even more. Self-reported studies are also always a bit dodgy, especially for topics like sex, which have a component of shame and guilt. You also have the issue that actually measuring relationship and sexual satisfaction objectively is really fucking difficult to begin with. It also doesn't address the fact that people who's first sexual relationship is marriage have no reference points for what a good relationship, good sex and good communication look like, which means their answers to a survey are going to be skewed. You also can't conclude from this study that it's the right decision for everyone and it should be legally enforced. Just because there is a statistical indication that couples who wait until marriage to have sex have better relationships, doesn't mean that everyone who waits until marriage to have sex will have a better relationship and that we should enforce this legally. The best case conclusion you could draw is that it is the right decision for some people and that there is something worth investigating more here. I don't really follow your point here. Your point essentially reads as "most people's first relationship is shitty and they don't realise it, which is why premarital sexual relationships are less salubrious" I struggle to follow this point as well, could you expand more on what you mean? I don't see how this relates to relationships, really. One problem with Western science is that it kind of tries to be a one-size-fits all solution. It views all humans as the same, when that is just not the case. The above study is a good example. It hints at the idea that everyone would be happier if they waited longer to have sex because it assumes all people are the same. When really all it showed is that at best a small percentage of people were maybe happier. That doesn't mean everyone would be. That's what I meant by too general. It's a very common issue with psych studies that is essentially a fundamental flaw of the Western scientific method.

Not that I don’t believe you, but this is something I would ask for links for. Stuff like this is notoriously hard to prove in studies. One unavoidable issue is that people who were virgins until marriage don’t have many reference points for satisfaction, sexual quality and communication in relationships. Most people in my experience thought their first relationship was great while they were in it, but now they would look back on it and realise how toxic/shitty it was because they have more reference points. But if someone were to survey you while you were in that relationship you’d probably rate it pretty highly. Such a cost benefit analysis is essentially impossible because it would be far too general, and would be so susceptible to bias that there would be no point in doing it in the first place For some people waiting until marriage is probably the right thing for them, for others it is definitely not, so really the only fair option is to give people the choice.