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Ironically, you are accusing someone of being arrogant/narcistic whilst being very arrogant yourself. This style of criticism is not productive at all. You're basically just saying "you're bad, wrong, and you should delete everything you've every created but I can't actually tell you why in detail, you're just wrong" Notice that your criticism here is exceptionally surface level.

Coffee? Yea, just pay, or at least offer to pay. If it's a meal and she gets turned off by you not offering to pay $40+ for someone you know barely anything about, you probably dodged a bullet.

Is there not an export button somewhere? Its ages since I’ve used OneNote but all software like this almost always has an “Export” button somewhere that lets you save it to a file which you can backup wherever you want

If you have good social skills, it isn't unethical to talk to girls you see out and about occasionally who you think are cute. You should not feel bad about that. The problem is with really spammy daygame where you are going out intending to approach a whole bunch of girls in a single day. That's what reddit thinks you are referring to when you say "cold approach" and that's what they don't like. If you frame it specifically about cold approach when you're out at night, there is nothing wrong with that and I suspect reddit would agree. If someone shames you for that, they're thick as mince and probably never go outside. The important differentiating factor with cold approach during the day is your intent: Did you leave your house intending to go and approach a whole bunch of girls who are just going about their day? That's at best ethically questionable, and most people are going to view that as creepy or weird. Did you see a girl you think is cute while you are out getting groceries and you want to go and ask her out? That's totally fine and most people will not see this as creepy if you possess the social skills to talk to her without being creepy.

Yea I thought that might be the case. It’s just very clinical, and reallllyyy popular term to use in incel communities so it’s best avoided in anything other than scientific/statistic contexts

It kinda depends on the grappling. A lot of positions taught in BJJ are only effective because they assume the opponent can’t strike, but that doesn’t mean all techniques are useless. If you can get someone in mount in a street fight they’re pretty fucked for example. The biggest risk is someone knowing how to stop you taking them to the ground really, like a wrestler or something, or multiple opponents. A lot of fights end up in a scramble or on the ground. Some stats put it at like 85-90%. That’s a high enough percentage I’d take BJJ over a striking martial art because something like boxing is pretty unhelpful on the ground. Also I don’t like the idea of frequently being bashed in the head when training or smashing the fuck out of my hands, both of which I need to make a living. Grappling also gives you the tools to end a fight without seriously injuring someone which is advantageous to avoid being prosecuted. If you punch someone out cold they might die when their head hits the curb. Happened to a dude outside my flat.

Kind of unrelated but just so you know, it’s pretty cringy when guys refer to women as ‘females’ all the time. It’s a very ‘inecely’ thing to do even if you aren’t one, so it’s a bad habit to have. It’s not a huge deal I suppose, but you might find it doesn’t help you with women much. Younger women especially. I had a discussion with some girls about this recently and they told me nothing makes them dry up faster than being referred to as ‘females’ by guys. It’s somewhat dehumanising even if you don’t mean it that way.

Pre 18ish relationships are usually pretty fuckin weird anyway. I wouldn’t use that as a basis for the rest of your relationships. No one knows what they’re doing at that age. Don’t put too much pressure on yourself once you’re actually in your first proper relationship. Just do whatever feels right for you. You’ll learn what works and what doesn’t for both of you. It sounds like you have some drive to get a GF now and explore that part of your life so it might be worth making it a bit of a priority

It’s quite easy to draw conclusions from this. But if you think about it from the perspective of someone who works for the govt, is confident vaccines work, and that they were the solution to COVID: from their perspective it makes perfect logical sense to attempt to censor people who are causing others to feel hesitant to take the vaccine. Most people working for the govt are not conspiracy theorists, nor would they be privy to an actual government conspiracy going on behind the scenes on that kind of scale. They are just trying to do their job which with the common viewpoint of “vaccines work and help solve the problem” could easily lead to this behaviour without any conspiracy required. Especially when you are facing a pandemic causing millions to die, such action would seem like a pretty reasonable thing to do for a person with that viewpoint.

A lot of time, flirting can involve teasing or playful mocking. It could be them showing interest. It's hard to judge without knowing exactly what they said, however.

My mum works in sales for an IT company. She's pretty good at her job, and it's not really manipulation because she works for a high quality company that provides high quality service. Her job is to skillfully show that to clients in the best way possible. But my ex used to work for a dodgy gas and electric sales company that went door to door, and the best salespeople at that company were all the stereotypical sleezy, scummy manipulative salespeople. Because what they were selling was essentially bullshit which they had to manipulate people into thinking was valuable. So it depends on what you are selling. If you are selling a high quality product it isn't manipulation. If you are selling something valueless then it very often is.

Natural is one of those words that is very vague, almost to the point of being meaningless. There is no obvious line that defines what is natural and what is not, especially for humans. My only point was that just because you have to work for something doesn't make it 'unnatural' as you said. There are plenty of other examples. Walking a mile to your closest river to get water required a lot of work, was that unnatural? War with other tribes required a lot of work, was that unnatural? What about building houses and huts? These are all things our ancestors did by their nature which required lots of determination and work. Maintaining complex and subtle social relationships is one of the core aspects of humanity. We have been doing for millions of years. If anything, it is more unnatural not to.

I guess hunting and foraging was unnatural for our ancestors then.

How many of the girls you had success with knew you were doing cold approach to lots of other girls during the day? How many of them knew you were leaving your house specifically to talk to girls?

I’m talking about spammy day game which you agreed in the next post is not well received. It’s not a limiting belief. You could do a survey and find that most girls find it creepy or weird. I’m alright with being creepy or weird occasionally in nightgame but doing daygame you’re being viewed as creepy or annoying by probably a solid 50%+ of the girls you approach which is where it reaches the point that I don’t really want to get involved. Talking to the occasional girl you find cute as you go about your day isn’t even really day game. It’s just being a sociable, confident man who finds women attractive. Daygame specifically is when you leave your house with the intent to search for sex during the day by approaching like 10+ women, and it universally is viewed as creepy by the majority of society and especially women. Every approach in daygame your goal is to hide what you’re actually doing from the girl because if you don’t, you know full well she’d be creeped the fuck out. To be clear I’m not denying it can work, I know it can. I just don’t like that principle component is blatant deception. If that makes me a sheep, so be it.

That's the important point. No one has an issue with that, it's the spammy kind of daygame that's questionable Most of daygame is learning how to make your spammy approach seem like you saw a girl you thought was special and you wanted to ask her out. Realistically, if you are approaching lots of girls every day with a daygame strategy, you have to hide what what you're doing from them, no matter what your intentions are. You can have the best intentions in the world, a heart of gold, and emobdy green principles fully, but a girl will still look at you like a bit of a creep if she sees you approach two other girls on your high street before you then approach her and ask her out.

It's not about logic, it's about what girls intuit about you from your behaviour.

Meh, I admit to girls what I'm doing when I do it in clubs and don't really have any problems. I guess if you say it with the right energy it's fine. You could probably pull that off in daygame too if you wanted but I imagine it would be harder The fundamental problem of daygame is that it implies you can't attract girls through traditional means, even if that's not true, which is quite a big red flag for a girl. Yea fair point. I guess my issue with daygame is that 'doing it right' relies heavily on deception. You are trying to create the illusion that you've picked out that particular girl as special when really you're running a numbers game. But I suppose I can't really preach about that, it's hardly like nightgame is a bastion of integrity either. Venue is pretty important in my experience. There's a venue I have been to like 7-8 times and never even met a single girl who was interested in me. Then there are other venues where the dancefloor is almost impossible to walk on at the end of the night from couples making out (and often they are a complete mix of good and bad looking guys/girls) and I have met girls like 50%+ of the time I go there. In general, I've found the best clubs for meeting new people are the ones that have the most diverse group of people in them. The more diverse the club, the more friendly and open everyone is. Clubs that cater to more specific niches of people are always pretty shit for meeting girls. Especially clubs filled with people stuck up their own ass. Techno clubs in my city are a bit like that

Oh, yea that's a complete nightmare, I dont do any more than one, or maybe two, quotes when I post from my phone, it's just too awkward.

You worked at quality companies doing a skilled job. I would not feel like I needed a union at my current company either, nor is it big enough to even warrant one. But if you are a fast food worker in mcdonalds, or a low skill factory worker, you're either in a union, or you're entirely at the mercy of a large company that views you as replaceable.

Heh, fair point but not healthy ones The toxic employer issue is a much deeper problem. Fixing that requires a slow but meteoric shift in the way society is structured. For the time being things like unions are our best solution, even if they can sometimes be quite flawed.

It's some of the most fun I've ever had, and it also grew me the most. I' almost a different person as a result. But you need to learn to let loose, not give a fuck, go with the flow, have fun. That's what going out at night is all about. Work hard, play hard. I've been going out for like 2 years and I've never gotten into a fight, or even an argument really. I've debated people but never seriously argued that I can remember. The rejections are part of it, I find rejection at night way easier when I can just laugh and go talk to the next girl without it being weird. It might just not be for you, perhaps. But most people's body should be able to cope with one or two late nights going out every week, especially when you are like younger than 25 to 30 anyway. You can strike a balance. Girls who go out are normal girls. The notion that girls who go clubbing are all addicts, sluts etc. is a really, really dumb myth. It can be expensive. Depends on location and the club. To me £50 a week to have a couple of great nights in clubs partying is worth it. But you can get by on way less than that. Having to pay for premium or table/table service to have a good time in an average club is some crappy American concoction that clubs everywhere else in the world don't really do. I'm sure there are clubs that don't do that kinda shit in the US too. You don't, you can do it solo. First few times are pretty hard and then you just learn how to make new friends quickly every time you go out solo and you're no longer solo. My experiences doing daygame were 100x more traumatising than my nightgame experiences. Talking to a girl you see out and about occasionally is one thing, that's totally great, but actually going out hunting for sex during the day, and approaching a whole bunch of girls for that purpose, is considered weird/predatory behaviour by 95% of the population.

Idk, that's quite a generalisation. If you go to big melting pot cities like London you see people with pretty vast differences in earnings together. If you are an interesting person or have a lot in common it compensates a lot for differences in earnings. As an example you could see a 1M$+ earner hanging out with dudes from his marital arts gym who are making £30k a year, but they have something else in common so it works. Or even people from the same company. When I go down to London I've spent lots of time with people from my company including my boss (the CEO), and his brother who is a multimillionaire that was talking about casually losing £400k on an investment. The idea that guys earning $100k won't spend time with executives earning $1M+ is kind of an old notion. Nowadays you have much more diverse groups of people who all earn different amounts. Especially with very flatly structured companies where everyone is generally much more equal.

Have you ever worked somewhere that told you everyone there was 'one big family'? and then you tried to ask for literally the smallest, most reasonable request and being denied because it's not policy and they can't make exceptions? or being fired on a moments notice? or them making record profits and buy you all a cake to celebrate and give you 15 mins extra break one day, instead of you know, a raise that matches inflation? or have your contract redesigned to fuck you over out of even more money? Those things are not what a family would do, but massive companies who tell employees they are family will do them all the time. Places that tell you they are a big family are full of shit. You want to work for companies that acknowledge and respect the serious working arrangement you have, not bullshit and gaslight you. A large part of that comes from employers doing essentially everything they can to de-humanise workers and treat them as a resource instead of human beings. You don't need a union at a good company that respects its workers, where you can sort things out without a more formal protest. But most companies are not decent to their workers. They see them as a replaceable resource.

I was taking the piss out of @StarStruck for saying "I'm an extreme empath" earlier in the thread, wasn't talking about @zurew You'd be surprised how far a healthy dose of compassion will get you towards having healthy relationships with women. Don't believe all the red pill propaganda you read online.