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I can understand the point about children benefiting from seeing a healthy relationship at home. That seems pretty widely supported. Where I’m less convinced is the step where feminism necessarily means a mother hates men or can’t sustain a relationship. Plenty of women who would describe themselves as feminists are in long-term marriages, and plenty of non-feminist couples divorce. It sounds like the bigger issue in the situation you’re describing is a parent having a very negative view of men, rather than feminism itself. Those aren’t necessarily the same thing.
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I actually grew up with a single mother who also saw herself as strong and independent as well, so I do understand that experience to some extent. That’s partly why I’m unsure about the conclusion though. Lots of people grow up in single-parent households for all sorts of reasons. Why do you see that as specifically a result of feminism rather than just the choices or circumstances of two individuals? Do you think your life would necessarily have been better if your parents had stayed together? In my case, although I was upset about it at the time, in hindsight it probably was the best outcome. I would have had more influence from my dad if they’d stayed married, but the relationship between my parents was unhealthy in other ways, so growing up in that environment might actually have been worse.
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I'm not saying you're unhealthy. I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. You clearly feel very strongly about feminism, and when someone has that level of anger toward an ideology it's natural to wonder what experiences led them there. If you're arguing that feminism is a widespread and harmful ideology, that suggests it has had some concrete negative impact on your life or the lives of people around you. I'm simply interested in understanding what those impacts have been. I'm not trying to attack you, just trying to understand where you're coming from.
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I will, but I'm also quite curious about your personal reasons as well. It seems to play a very big, almost dramatic ('battle against feminism') role in your life and I'm just curious if there's a deeper reason for that and what that may be, I find it interesting
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Out of curiosity, what personal experiences are you drawing upon to create this intense dislike of feminism? Is it based on some intense negative personal experience?
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Who hurt you?
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For introspection, LSD or DMT. For fun and building connections with other people, MDMA.
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There’s also asking questions. A lot of guys have this idea that we need to jump straight to riffing or storytelling, talking all the time, being alpha etc. but you need the basics of conversation locked in first, and asking good and interesting questions is a big part of that. I’ve met a lot of girls who said their worst dates were with guys who were just talking about themselves the whole time and never giving her a chance to say anything.
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I think that categorising people into neurotypical and neurodivergent is too black and white. Some people do quite cleanly fall into one of these categories, but most people are somewhere in between. It's a spectrum, or a bell curve. Generally if you want to be a well rounded person you should aim to have elements of both the neurotypical and neurodivergent person. Being too neurotypical is boring, and being too neurodivergent can make your life a living hell because you overthink everything and get stuck in your head. IMO the ideal is for the introverted components of your personality to be neurodivergent and the extroverted components of your personality to be neurotypical. If you are very neurotypical you will benefit from developing more depth and introspection, if you are very neurodivergent you will benefit from developing social skills and learning to be more in the moment.
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I've never taken them daily, only on occasion from my friend who also struggled with increased anxiety on them, despite them being prescribed for his ADHD. Although I've met a few people who have described them as life changing and don't seem to experience that anxiety/paranoia. In general I find stimulants as a class of drug pretty enjoyable with limited negative effects mentally, it's depressants like weed that make me incredibly paranoid/anxious.
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@Shermaningeorgia You doing alright bro?
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Kid A started following something_else
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If you're going to do loads of drugs anyway, may as well get fucked up on adderall to at least deal with the laziness I kid, but it may genuinely be worth getting tested for ADHD if you can.
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There is no one size fits all piece of advice for men's dating beyond perhaps "meet more women". The issue with your advice here of "just be yourself and the sex will come" is that it already assumes you are regularly meeting new women, which most men are not. That is actually the biggest hurdle most men have in dating. In essence your advice only applies once you've already solved the biggest dating problem men have and as such it's kind of... poor advice.
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Pickup and looksmaxxing are like fashion trends. Skinny jeans, baggy jeans, quiet luxury, streetwear etc. each of these trends have elements that work. But the people who dive headfirst into every new wave and build their entire identity around it don't usually look stylish or cool, they just look like tryhards. The same thing happens in dating. There are useful ideas in trends like pickup and looksmaxxing, but the people who make these frameworks their whole personality usually come off as forced, tryhard, and honestly just a bit soulless and hollow. Women are attracted to men who are comfortable with expressing who they are, who have a palpable coolness/vibe, and who don't really give a fuck what other people think about said vibe.
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I mean there are likely more factors, but that’s a large part. Other factors include girls feeling culturally pressured to say they’re in a relationship while guys are not as much, the age range I factor mentioned before, and the fact that self-report studies surrounding dating are notoriously inaccurate and often fraught with bias
