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Nice tone man, very inviting and pleasant. I never said they don't but see how it could come across to you that way. I said animals just live, and man lives but is conscious of his existence. Thats the difference. Animals feel emotion too, and if they evolved modes of expression like us they would surely also create music art poetry etc.

Yes, in the past men and women were paired off by force / arranged marriage. And more recently not by force but by mingling with each other, but it was done within smaller communities where their options were limited, and where women still relied on men for their livelihood so the incentive was there to pair off with a mate for security. Now women have security of their own ( the government and personal income ) more freedom which is great. The government loves it as it increases the tax base, the corporations love it for their stocks. But, women are attracted (by the mechanism of hypergamy) to stronger than themselves, it is hardwired. Which is why most women always want a man taller than themselves, they feel protected on a visceral level, although in the modern day they have no fear as we live in a safe environment, the base line experience of women is fear due to her biology and to seek out security. We must have empathy for them. As women can earn at the same level of more than men , the view men at their level or below as inferior in status or weaker, and therefore not a good mating choice. This is all subconscious of course. And so they don't parter up as easily because their standards are higher and not enough men meet those standards.

Seems you didn't enjoy the mundanity that is evolutionary biology, it can be cold. You mentioned those guys need to get out and socialise with women as human beings and feel a sense of love and nuance. What I talked about is exactly that. So what is it, stay hard and cold or the other extreme where men discard understanding of human nature and get lost in their version of love which is fantasy, and end up getting hurt and not know why by women. Or seeing life what it is, and then that beauty exists in that also. The reality of being human is we have a heart and emotion. Animals just live, human beings create music art and poetry. Something higher in us is alive, it is also alive in animals rocks plants but ever more in us.

@Emerald So we can't see the beauty of this existence? How should one look at the world, what makes us human? It seems not being able to see beauty in this creation is robotic just as much as the red pilled bro - science you said is robotic. Society has pedestalised sex, we are over saturated with it. We are over sexed and undersexed at the same time, and we all suffer from it. Men, in the way that they feel if it is valued to that height they must have it and when they don't they are in pain, and waste their lives away picking up. Women, to the caricature of women that is portrayed and the unrealistic standard put forth, and so girls mental health is sky rocketed since the advent of social media. All because sex sells, sells to our lowest animal drive which exists in us. Women pedestalised sex in the name of freedom, men in the name of a free show for the lowest part of themselves to enjoy it seems. Beauty and hotness differ. What is pedestalised is only hotness but women all have beauty and that is beyond the flesh. That beauty in women possess a complexity, a depth, a nuanced grace, that men can't put a finger on but feel. We can't put that wordless wonder into words. And so with man. The beauty of man is his devotion to a personal passion, a passion larger than himself and that includes her and this worlds well being. Hence why women love starving artists, musicians, dreamers and iconclasts. That sets them apart, just as a certain beauty in woman sets her apart from men. Beauty needs a witness, god wants a witness. We are that witness, we witness the beauty in each other, and let each other know I see you, I am here. Namaste.

These are not my words but from else where, found it interesting. I agree stage green and free love is where we are headed but isn't that a far off dream.. They somewhat tried it in the 70's with the free love movement and here we are today. Peoples consciousness hasn't evolved to that level and it takes a lot of time for our biological evolution to catch up to our cultural evolution. Biology is slow, culture is fast. Our biology will fight us, mens biology will fight us to mate with women bigger, much older than us, less fertile. Women's biology will fight them to not mate with weaker, smaller men who aren't confident or spiritually alive and strong either.

Thats okay, you said why spread nonsense but didn't think I was. Also get the impression you think I'm a red piller who has negative view on women but thats maybe just me projecting. That girl is one example, even girls who are on the surface religious have acted in ways which would shock. I have also come across high integrity women also who of course didn't. It is human nature, but we have two human natures, one of a lower and one of a higher self which I commented on earlier ''we live between the two worlds, the world of the beast (our animal/darwinian nature) and that of the Bhudda, our higher nature to which we are all evolving towards. We are life incarnate (carnal - from flesh) in form and thats exactly the point, we are in flesh also. Man is animal, but animal is not all that he is '' that is what this is all about. We have the possibility in all of us for these behaviour we deem 'bad' which is just the animal in us acting out, its in me and all of us on this forum. But we have conscious and moral agency to not act on our animal instinct. The trigger is there, do we pull that trigger or allow the environment to pull that trigger is the question. Move from compulsion to consciousness, from instinct to intelligence. I see human nature what it is, and also see it for what it could be when lived from a higher plane. And they are both beautiful. I absolutely love women and love love. They say men created the world, but women created the very life that created that very world. In fact maybe man has felt inferior to women over the eons for she created the highest form, life itself. When a loving couple looks each other in the eyes, the higher self, the spirit behind the eye calls the spirit in the other eye, higher to itself, to a higher place. Woman is one of the greatest manifestations of beauty on this planet, her curves the greatest creation of god, her smile the greatest inspiration ( put in spirit ). Beauty of women physical and non physical invokes man to something higher. I don't think thats a distorted view

Fantastic insights! I didn't see it that way. Living in a bit city (London) I come across many people of all walks of life on a daily basis, and get into discussions with a lot of men. I see it anecdotally not just on statistics, and the last thing men would be comfortable sharing is their lack of sex as it hits their pride a bit. Of course its not all doom and gloom and there are other reasons for lack of sex, being porn, entertainment, other means of pleasure ( just look at the society of Japan ).

No need for ad hominem, talk about the points rather than the person. Surprised that's all you got from my posts. Maybe its not false hood but based in reality? I have a great dating life, in fact I'v come across women who I found out later were cheating with me on their boyfriends and this lead to me to want to find out why. I actually took a break from dating to understand better cause and affect and why I was experiencing the things I was. I went from action to abstraction. I have friends who get plenty of women and a lot of others who struggle, I see it all around. It's not all cold statistics but anecdotal. What murders men confidence and self esteem is when they go out and get shut down continuously. What boosts it is learning the nature of things, and realising they can do something about it. If human nature is un appealing I understand, but without this mechanism for women to select for strength, men and civilisation wouldn't be where it is today. I see beauty in it, a design of god, and thats what I like to illuminate to any men who would feel bitter about it. Men may be the head of the household, but women are the neck that turn that head. It is for women that men became something, and society became something. The water (feminine) eventually shapes the rock formations (masculine) over time. Glad to have found this forum with people on this journey of actualisation. Love you all.

Keep it up brother. The voice note thing flowbow mentioned sounds awesome, def a way to stand out. A lot of people don't like hearing their own voice lol.

Yes, these guys would be better suited to getting out in the real world and taking action. Too much abstraction and not enough action is an issue amongst these men, doubley so during lockdowns and being stuck at home, but it doesn't invalidate the principles. In the world of form there is hierarchy, of course in Love with a capital L there isn't. But we live between the two worlds, the world of the beast (our animal/darwinian nature) and that of the Bhudda, our higher nature to which we are all evolving towards. We are life incarnate (carnal - from flesh) in form and thats exactly the point, we are in flesh also. Man is animal, but animal is not all that he is. We are living within that physical realm and by certain physical laws. Its un appealing to us because our higher nature see's life otherwise and to what life could be, and us on the forum more so as we are more attuned to that higher nature, but this forum also only makes up say less than a percent of society so we can have certain bias towards the majority and just think 'oh these people, why can they just be loving'. I get it. Truth can be bitter in the beginning and sweet in the end as it leads to understanding, which leads to compassion for fellow men and women. Lies can be sweet in the beginning (as they comfort) and bitter in the end when life comes knocking down on those delusions. This understanding can save a lot of people from the heartache of going through life and being hurt one after the next.

How is accepting the truth of evolutionary biology a mirage ? It is true but whats also true is these men need to take responsibility and grow. They just need some guidance what to grow towards and to understand why their failing in the first place. Definitely a healthy man who is stronger physically, emotionally, mentally, socially and spiritually can find a attractive mate but that is what is lacking today due to various reasons ( screens, lack of socialisation, poor health from poor diet/lifestyle which fuels a strong sense of well being besides the physical, growing up in single mother households and then being brought up in the education system which is mostly female teachers so these boys never had a strong male role model to learn how to be a man from, economic difficulty leading to living at home with parents making it harder to date even). And now the mens movement thats popping up is telling men to better themselves, although a lot in its negative form ie to fuck lots of bitches, these girls aren't loyal etc. The divorce laws also have hurt a lot of men from the older generation and todays boys are seeing what their fathers have gone through and no longer want to opt in for marriage, can get a negative. Doesn't the lack of strong men today suggest the problem does exist in reality and that takes the form of what we are seeing now as incels, red pill culture, virginity rates for men (not so much women) increasing. Maybe they always existed but now we just know about it due to the internet, but the stats are showing otherwise. The fact that male virginity increases 3 times to 30% since 2008/2010 when social media came about ( read: women had easier access to higher quality males like never before leaving the average males behind - hypergamy ) but women's virginity only so slightly increased, meaning those top men are having more and more access to the same pool of women and those women are gravitating to such men shows what happening in real time. Even studies done on dating apps show that women only rate the top 10-20% as dateable, whereas for guys they see majority of the women as dateable. Of course, if these women just met these guys in person these men would be able to exhibit other characteristics in person as so much is lost online and women in general are attracted to non physical attributes more so which the online world cuts them off from (voice, eye contact, body language, vibe etc). But life has moved online which further skews the dating scene to the superficial.

You provide them with a sense of security, that you will be there for them after having slept. As in, your not there just for their body so they feel 'seen' more deeply. Of course, their biology will also respond to your if you display a character of strength which is sexy. And by strength that doesn't mean physically but also emotionally mentally spiritually. If your all sexy and strong women will be wary because they fear being left after the act. They seek that strength over a long time, they wish to secure strength one could say. They all go for strength in the hopes of securing it, but a lot of these alpha males don't settle themselves unfortunately, and it ends up embittering women's view on men when its just on a subset of men and not all men.

Nope. Just seeking truth. Had this same post in the dating thread but thought it would be better here to see in particular the societal affects.

Great share. Men have to become stronger on all levels : Physical, emotional, mental and spiritual. To actualise we must act after all.

Use text for logistics, rather than back and forth conversation (keep that for in person). If your doing something already thats great, draw her into your world, it shows you have a life besides her. That way whether she joins or not its not a rejection to you, your already doing something fun and just invited her to join on the adventure, her loss. If setting up one one one, ask her plans for the week. See when she's free and better to make a statement rather than question. Instead of asking would you like to do x on y day, make a statement ie cool lets grab a drink at this place at 7 on x. Comes across more confident. Also, if you ask lets do something Friday evening and she's genuinely busy and declines, then you ask okay lets do something Sunday im also free then and she's also busy then and decline it sets a bad tone and precedent for the relationship / comes across like she's rejecting you. All subconscious of course. Best to just find out when she's free and plan for then.

Yes, a lot of men are getting into red pill and guys like Kevin Samuels or fresh and fit are proliferating. Obviously there must be some semblance of truth in there which is why it resonates and thats why its dangerous. The true aspects which is based in evolution and why people behave the way they do is shown, but then the way its spun is in a negative light and thats the problem. Just like what makes conspiracy theories appealing is that they have a nugget of truth, but add so much falsity to it afterwards. As technology and ubranisation increases and access to each other increases I guess it will be up to individuals to become more conscious and choose what path they go down about how they interact with the opposite sex. Will be interesting to see how society evolves, I can think of a few paths. 1. The top tier men getting all the attention turn down and by pass their biological instinct to mate with anything that moves knowing that it isn't good for society at large or spiritually fulfilling. Sometimes they get to this realisation after having already slept around a lot. This then leaves those women to put their attention to the other guys who do give them more attention. 2. Women, knowing about their hypergamous nature choose the long term mate for better emotional health and stability knowing that the top tier guy may just sleep with them and leave and is just a short term choice. Of course these top guys get good at selling the dream to these girls and lack integrity. 3. Most men learn to become stronger and evolve to embody a healthy masculinity so that theres more quality around to satisfy women's needs. 4. The men not getting any attention channel their sexuality to higher pursuits and leave a legacy not of children but of their genius. 5. All of the above or a mix of the above. P.s or everyone becomes so evolved we can all make love to each other or don't need it all together in that form (sexually) but we are very far off from that reality lol.

Love this and agree. Get better not bitter, part of that getting better involves understanding human nature

Thats the point of that article. If we don't regulate our mating choices what happens to society. I'v turned down sex with women who had boyfriends, even husbands because I didn't want to be a home wrecker and know the consequences ie broken family = children aren't raised in stability = unstable society down the line = boomerangs around to eventually affect me if i stay in such society. Do we do whats good for our biology and short term impulse or whats good for our emotional health on the long term and for society by choosing to be with one partner.

Part of addressing the pain is understanding it and awareness. I wanted the forums thoughts on this piece as it raised some interesting points and I often think what society will look like down the road. Another bias from red pill and content in general is that its coming from big cites where promiscuity is higher and the culture a certain way. For example, the fresh and fit guys or pick up artists from California in the big cities (LA) dish out content on their experiences with women, and maybe in that city/culture/environment their are a lot of women that way, and the women they in particular put them selves in front of (at clubs) so that gets projected out onto the population. Then people living in different environments (smaller cities, rural) watch that content and they project that onto their local environment and think thats how the people in there environment are. They then behave and act that way, and so create a self fulfilling prophecy. The same way the news has a bias towards negativity ( we need to survive before we thrive - show us the threat ) and that drives views. Media also has a bias towards the worst aspects , but we all live online and so our perception of reality gets warped towards the worst, which we then create in reality as thats how we behave towards it. Interesting.

@flowboy Less subtle clues would be "regulation of the sexual market", which is a concept I challenge anyone to explain in a way that is not toxic and horrible. I agree, regulation by force is terrible, hence we regulate ourselves by choice. If you don't regulate your instinct to gorge food which we are driven to do you'd gain weight and have health issues, but we regulate our instinct because we have intelligence (consciousness). Yes, today we are free by law and we should be happy for that, but that doesn't mean we are free from our instincts and that can clearly be seen ( and our level of consciousness can be seen ) by the dating scene today. Not only did big city living split is from community but now from a companion. As urbanisation increases these issues will only become more prevalant. @flowboy It's a toxic ideology because it is full of lies, promotes victim mentality in men, and is very derogatory and unfriendly towards women. Agreed, maybe it started sincerely by men who wanted to understand why they were having dating problems or for the over 50% divorce rate initiated 70% of the time by women. But what its become is toxic. I don't look down on women and have empathy for where men and women are at today, hence I'm trying to understand the situation and what solution their could be. I wrote the below in another thread here: A lot of red pillers can become bitter by reality and rage sets in but they must realise this instinct (hypergamy - to reward and procreate with strength) is what drove men to raise themselves, and in doing so raise civilisation along with it, along side women. Without this evolutionary pressure we wouldn't be where we are today. Realise it for what it is, a beautiful mechanism of which a lot of it is subconscious - forgive them for they know not what they do.

@Knowledge Hoarder I got this from elsewhere. I agree the their can be oversimplification and generalizing, but I guess we generalise so that we can see the rule and not just the exception to it. Those bums ( not sure if they were the exception or not) they must have been exhibiting strength on some level which other even successful men maybe don't. Women are looking for strong genes, and security, ideally in the same man to varying degrees which can be hard to find. That is why women flocked to 50 shades (with no marketing was a best seller for months to the point in the UK they ran out of silver ink for the book lining) the guy had both aspects of what women desire or the new show sex life, which shows one man who has it all (on the security side) but the sex is lack luster and the woman goes for the guy she has great sex/emotions with, although he doesn't provide the security.

So if religion or evolutionary biology is mentioned thats automatically red pill? To be clear, the usual red pill crowd have their own biases and issues, coming at that information and giving a negative spin on it coming from bitterness and hate, and I'm well aware of that. What are the lies you mention, that wasn't my writing but maybe I'm missing something. Thats why I wrote lets have a healthy discussion as I'm open to learning. Essentially there is a mismatch between our animal instinct and our modern environment. Our modern challenge is to act from intelligence rather than instinct. But our culture can't always override our biology, we have to understand it and work with it. For example, red piller's advise to 'spin plates' to get the relationship you want as your choosing out of abundance. But doesn't spinning plates ruin the very women (emotional trauma by leaving them) and thus society in the process that you would want to have that good relationship and maybe children in? I haven't been able to get a response yet of them. They want monogamy then the other hand claim spin plates bro.

Im not posting this in bad intention or faith. Forget about red pill, we can't deny human biology and evolution regarding why and how we mate. We have to understand nature to understand the problems that we currently face and so we can find solutions to them. We are seeking truth and actualising ourselves, and thus society to a better way of being. Lets start with truth first. Biological evolution is slow, cultural evolution is fast, this is the essential problem humanity is facing today. Our lizard brains simply haven't had enough time to adapt to the chaos of the modern age. Sorry that modern society/technology is putting our human nature in our face, but we must look at things for what they are and yes, also for what they can be through conscious effort on our part. But to be blind to what is because we think what society should be is part of the problem also.

Enlightened people are way ahead of our time, and have to speak to the people in a way they would best understand at their level of consciousness. He's brining something lofty down to earth, packaged in a way which that society (India in this case) can understand. At its essence, and at all religions essence we are all going towards that very same essence. So when he says the world will be Hindu, he's right in its essence, but so are we Jewish, Muslim, Christian and Bhuddist at their essences, not their externalities.

By our lower nature we are more stage orange and below. Of course, we have a higher diving nature and should go from the beast to the bhudda. By nature we may be beastly, but we are nurtured by society to the bhudda. If children are born into such a society they will be nurtured into their higher nature most likely. For our biology to catch up to our higher nature and evolve into it would probably takes thousands of years so that when children are born their biology only makes it easier and easier for them to live from their higher nature. For now, we are still mostly animal, and technology and the modern world only exposes this nature ever more to us.