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Yea, that's why I wrote far left and far right. That's a great video above btw, I highly recommend the forum check it out to get a better understanding of what just happened vis a vis the election result.

This is why so many liberals were taken by surprise by this election result. No exposure to right wing talking points and cocooning themselves in left wing echo chamber away from the pulse of society. See my reply below regarding stage green for example: That's the problem, those stages aren't full of shit. I think the framework of spiral dynamics is limited and actually skews our perception of reality because we tend to approach it as higher / lower and conflate that with better / worse or more / less developed. It's spiral dynamics apartheid and tribalism with fancy clothes. Maybe it's not about a simplistic ladder like view of development, and we should instead see the different values and worldviews as interdependent and mutually reinforcing. In fact its better to view it like a pyramid where stage red is the base. We need the warrior of stage red to protect us, the order of blue to stabilise us, the innovation of orange to excel us, the humanity of green to be fair, and the systems of yellow to tie all them together in balance. Like Leo said earlier - this should open our eyes to survival, survival, survival. Exactly! Stage green sucks at survival to the point we can't have a society orient around those values as they neither produce wealth nor safety which is why people are leaving Cali. Also, it’s not like these values in a “higher stage” weren’t available to humanity before or aren’t even being lived out by people right now across the political aisle or border. Indigenous people were living out green values in harmony with the earth before we had pronouns or became vegan. The conservative old church lady probably bakes cookies for her neighbours in rural America whilst a liberal Karen who has “Kindness is everything” as her bio shouts at the barista for getting her coffee order wrong. "Stages" of development aren't a staircase for consciousness climbers, they're more like a pyramid. The base of that pyramid are the values and ''stages'' we're all too busy looking down on from our stage green pulpit.

The disillusionment of the youth towards the system has two responses. The far left want to deconstruct the construct that failed them, to create a utopian one, the far right want to re-construct a romanticised past they believe will meet their aspirations. Reactionary subcultures that come up trying to change the dominant culture that failed them become toxic as they throw out the good along with the bad. The far left discard the good of the past, the far right the good of any progress. Nihilism, resentment and rebellion against those that told them to expect beauty, where they found ugliness results in limbically hijacking them. Tired and enraged at the world, people will cope by becoming mental refugees seeking refuge from their mind, rather than an evolution of it. To cope with a complex world, people will stop trying to think through its complexity. Far right conservatives do this when they revert to the past and tradition as a shortcut to thinking, as do the far left liberals when they use freedom to free themselves of thinking of the consequences of any of their actions. Both are too spent and lack the balanced state needed to create a new but balanced world. As the pace of change accelerates, people will seek that which never changes as a sanctuary amongst the whirlpool of complexity and change the modern world subjects them to - tradition and religion. The concern is that people use sanctuaries to sanction themselves from their own evolution. An exhausted mind and soul in a dazed world, seeks relief from the mind and soul rather than holy revolution of it. The far lefts fire of rage burns any tradition to its ashes, including the wisdom that lit and established those traditions. The far right hold onto the ashes of tradition and religion without the fire of understanding that lit and established them. The inverse of the slippery slope of freedom the far left love, is the slippery slope of prohibition and control by the far right. Excess of which leads to rigidity, repression, resentment and rebellion, making it less robust as it’s a system that needs to be enforced rather than encouraged. The pendulum swings left to right and doing so in each direction as it gathers momentum to swing the other way.

That's the problem, those stages aren't full of shit. I think the framework of spiral dynamics is limited and actually skews our perception of reality because we tend to approach it as higher / lower and conflate that with better / worse or more / less developed. It's spiral dynamics apartheid and tribalism with fancy clothes. It can become consciousness porn. Maybe it's not about a simplistic ladder like view of development, and we should instead see the different values and worldviews as interdependent and mutually reinforcing. In fact its better to view it like a pyramid where stage red is the base. We need the warrior of stage red to protect us, the order of blue to stabilise us, the innovation of orange to excel us, the humanity of green to be fair, and the systems of yellow to tie all them together in balance. Like Leo said earlier - this should open our eyes to survival, survival, survival. Exactly! Stage green sucks at survival to the point we can't have a society orient around those values as they neither produce wealth nor safety which is why people are leaving Cali. Also, it’s not like these values in a “higher stage” weren’t available to humanity before or aren’t even being lived out by people right now across the political aisle or border. Indigenous people were living out green values in harmony with the earth before we had pronouns or became vegan. The conservative old church lady probably bakes cookies for her neighbours in rural America whilst a liberal Karen who has “Kindness is everything” as her bio shouts at the barista for getting her coffee order wrong. "Stages" of development aren't a staircase for consciousness climbers, they're more like a pyramid. The base of that pyramid are the values and ''stages'' we're all too busy looking down on from our stage green pulpit. Real progress doesn't come from decorating the tippy top - it comes from shoring up the base. Building on the values that actually keep the lights on and the wolves at bay. Green should be incorporated into and complementing those core functions, not attempting to subsume them entirely.

I think the framework of spiral dynamics has limits in assessing things. Maybe it’s not a linear ladder or consciousness staircase to heaven. It’s not stages in a hierarchy but more so that each value is valuable in unison with the others - equally. This way we don’t spiral dynamic apartheid ourselves from the “less developed”. It’s not like these values in a “higher stage” weren’t available to humanity before us or aren’t even being lived out by people right now across the political aisle or border. Indigenous people were living out green values in harmony with the earth before we had pronouns or became vegan. We need the warrior of stage red to protect us, the order of blue to stabilise us, the innovation of orange to excel us, the humanity of green to be fair, and the systems of yellow to tie all them together. The conservative old church lady probably bakes cookies for her neighbours in rural America whilst a liberal Karen who has “Kindness is everything” as her bio shouts at the barista for getting her coffee order wrong. Maybe we need to cool it with the self congratulatory back patting for having reached stage green as if it’s some revelation only urbanite liberals are privy to for having read Ken Wilber. I need learn and to ponder on this some more..

If the voting base amongst Democrats are much more developed than Republicans, why is California (a Democrat stronghold) experiencing the issues it is including many businesses and people leaving? Are progressive policies not developed well .. is it developed to prioritise DEI, equity, pronouns and micro aggressions over the fundamentals of what makes a society function such as safety on the streets. California designated theft of goods under $950 as just a misdemeanour - theft hiked up after that.

Joel Salatin is a mentor of Tai Lopez. Good start so far.. Trump this time round seems to really have organised around getting the right people in position. Imagine JD Vance / Tulsi in 2028. No one’s mentioned Dick and Liz Cheney backing and campaigning with Kamala as yet.. surely that’s a clear red flag.

Why play the race card to excuse Kamala not winning over America? She wasn’t even popular amongst Democrats themselves and Obama has been president before. We all know she was hollow, scripted, cringe - can’t even come out to speak to her own supporters. That’s why she avoided long podcasts - she wouldn’t have been able to get past a hour on Rogan without fumbling. So off the mark. if Candace ran do we seriously think many people wouldn’t vote because she’s black. Of course there’s a subset of people who wouldn’t, but it’s over amplified.

It’s fear mongering. He’s on the bros side, you think he’s gonna let his own core base down by putting the fear of God in them for not being able to raw dog with peace of mind. Ya’ll need to get it together and vibe. Bro supremacy.

Are the left immune from behaving in authoritarian or facist ways?

I’ll check out it. I like Destiny. One of his takes on the whole immigrants voting in swing states to solidify Democrat power was that no one’s forcing them to vote blue and that they could vote Republican. But then he never considered that Democrats would provide more incentives to them such as migrating relatives and offering perks etc in order to get them to vote blue. This was the fear from the Republican side - that if they had another 4 years of excess immigration which got turned into Democrat voters in key swing states, it would become a uni-party like California. As we have seen, elections are tight and hinge on these few states.

That confirms the sentiment about the Dems - that their establishment puppets who need think tank approved talking points. Hollow suits trying to dazzle crowds with their glittery rainbow flags and virtue signalling. Fake news.

Same, I had to go to Rohan’s YouTube to get to it or type the exact title of the video. I’m it changed later after enough people brought awareness to it. Similar to how in 2020 big tech also hid the hunter Biden laptop story or censored conservative content on Twitter which the twitter files exposed. Democrats and the left literally project exactly what they themselves do. Not that Republicans are angels, but Dems are such hypocrites it’s not even funny.

Spot on man. Lets see if Donald can end the war in Israel in a fair enough manner considering the Palestinians. Abraham accords didn't consider them but with everything that;s happened the key Arab players won't allow things to move along without recognizing and addressing the Palestinian cause. The two key issues are economic and security (border and domestic) - socio cultural issues are also important, but economics and security take priority. This is the problem of the left, prioritization. It's not that identity and inclusion don't matter - it's that they can't matter more than a society's foundations weakening. You can have the most inclusive team on the Titanic, but if no ones watching out for icebergs, everyone drowns equally. You can have ''soft on crime'' progressive policies, but what does this misplaced compassion matter if it renders the citizens incapable of walking safely at night, or the viability of a business staying open. For example - California reclassified non-violent offenses such as theft of property valued under 950 dollars to be a misdemeanor, and obviously theft increased. Boeing just collapsed its DEI department last week. Nature is healing and delusions are being met with reality.

@Lyubov Your take is the most balanced here.

You guys need to diversity max (we inclusive or what?) your sources. Embrace the masculine in a non toxic way, understand and appreciate the value of elements within tradition and religion without being a literalist fundamentalist. Your life is not simply a construct, don’t spiritually bypass reality to the point you overlook what’s happening. Don’t be so non-dual you can’t vibe with the duality of the form you are born into and can’t escape from until the you merge with the formless again. Form is real and can’t be morally relativised or redefined away to the point we say men can give birth. Here is my Twitter timeline for a start:

Their excuse of reverting to identity politics is one of the very reasons they lost.

We’ll have to see if they follow through. Him being a deal maker could mean bringing things to an end - the only question is will the deal be fair towards Palestinians. The Abraham accords came from his term but had no mention of Palestinians. This time, Saudi Arabia and all the key players are saying we can’t move ahead without considering and solving the Palestine situation.

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Exactly, they had way better candidates but can’t have balanced ones that aren’t as ideologically and monetarily captured. They’re too busy waving the rainbow flag demanding everyone wave the white flag of surrender to them.

Salt mines are open for business. Jokes aside, liberals misunderstand the currents behind populism, including a lot of this forum tbh. All they can think is racism, facism - never mind the fact we already had Trump in office for four years.

Let it be know: you can’t disregard, let alone denigrate the working class men of a nation, without them coming back bonified against those who turned their back on them. Liberal echo chambers will continue to cocoon themselves away from the pulse of their countries whilst populists gain traction. Liberals and democrats have 4 years to learn and integrate aspects of their society they think they’re too good for.

Red pill 3 and we out.

Red pill 2.