Bob Seeker

It seems to me like self-actualization can only be meaningful if I practice willful ignorance. Watching the news for 10 minutes will clearly show me my self-actualization means nothing. Millions/billions of people suffering in absurd poverty or oppression. when you have no meaning, and you have little being, life is lame. I blame my lack of being largely on wage slavery. It makes you almost like an animal. since I have little being I’m forced to pretend self growth is meaningful, by becoming willfully ignorant. This isn’t even very convincing. Even if I break out of wage slavery, most people still are suffering. These sucky thoughts can make me unmotivated, even unmotivated to break out of wage slavery to achieve more opportunity for being, and thus, less able to achieve being. it seems like this whole situation puts me in a position where I have to do something like chase women just to say I have a reason to live. I’m not trying to complain. I think I will have success. It is just arduous to feel that I am on this path that looks meaningless, and demoralizing.

thanks all. I reckon I have no better option but to stop thinking and focus on living.

This may be toward the heart of it. Breaking such a habit is like throwing my identity in the garbage. It is strange at the least. I think it is better to let go all meaning if I can, and see if this doesn’t make me depressed.

I think this for me is already taking place. This time and moving forward is like a mini death, my ideals and the things I like about my life being swept away. I may be left with little to claim about myself other than being basically an animal fighting to fulfill his needs. More nihilistic, just hoping to come out on the other side one day, as you are saying.

When I leave home next week I will be forced to get a job and these thoughts will be reduced. Most of the time I will just live basically like an animal until I again have extended free time. sad to think about it.

I don’t know how to change this. I’m not very conscious of myself choosing this It is hard for me to believe in any meaning I make up for myself. This is why I referenced the news. It’s a reminder that my meaning system is a joke.

Maybe I am avoiding the meaninglessness of chasing women while working a sales job because it won’t make me happy, although I want women more than anything no else at this time.

Wanting to self Actualized is already a certain mind game you are playing. life is very relative. what do YOU want, specifically. then you can work on figuring out what can help you get that.

Might just wing it rn and go for an average at best business idea I have. probably the answer is diff 4 evEry1. Leo succeeded first biz after leaving video game industry. many people try many times. many people’s career just evolved into a biz opportunity. Doesn’t really matter that much how it happened for others, everything happened to someone.

I’m curious, hypothetically if you were sentenced to 30 years in prison tomorrow for a crime you thought was the right thing to do at the time, let’s say, would you choose to end your life?

It is my belief that Spiral stages are not fixed structures in the mind. They are value memes that resonate or do not resonate with individual minds and collective social structures/forces. to say someone “is” blue can be misleading. No one is blue. Blue is a value meme complex. many criticisms of SD are born from improper use of the model.

They had never integrated and evolved through the earlier stages of blue or orange. They got these new age ideas from culture, but had never actually evolved up to stage green. you can’t skip stages, by and large. You need to start from the start. stage blue resonates with them at this point in their development.

@Nahm ?Thanks

Just wondering if there are any things people found that worked for them, which I can suggest. I know from Leo’s case that this can seem insoluble, and doctors can hardly help.

@puporing thanks!

These are my speculations. I am not particularly close with her. I intend to relay information I am collecting here to people who are closer with her.

Russian ambassador to UN just spewed propagandistic views about Russia owning the Ukraine and the west trying to divide and conquer Eastern Europe, then walked out early. Putin may be truly unwilling to compromise

@Michael569 Thank you for the advice. @Alex_R sure

Maybe along the lines that the vision she has been fed of her future is not adequate, or suppressed doubts about her faith, or that her family, with which she identifies strongly, has not served her by sheltering her, but has held her back.

@Leo Gura Thanks @Nahm this person was raised in a sheltered manner, very religious. There is much about the world she cannot “digest” at this point. It is not easy to offer direct help in that regard though. @mandyjw Thanks. she has tried diet manipulations but there is likely more specific diets she can try.

If Infinity is Love because Infinity is One, is it not the case that Oneness is more fundamental than Love? This is what the Ra Materials Book 2, session 1 seems to suggest in saying that Love is the second distortion of The Law of One, after Free Will (The desire of Oneness to know itself). possibly it could be that Oneness is totally self-accepting, therefor being Love more as a potential than as a reality, because Oneness does not yet know Itself so there is nothing to love. the existence of this potential, or quality, however, may negate the question. Hard to know. Then again, how could we know if Oneness is “self-accepting” in its condition of not knowing itself (there being nothing to accept)? Maybe if Oneness is self-aware in its most primal form.

Im a little weary because I felt like it gave me insights that were distorted.

People come back from psychedelic trips and say “just enjoy the ride” It seems also that whatever happens it is the thing that will awaken us the quickest. so it seems to me like we are living and we stress out about it, but this is just as good and innevitable as not stressing out about it because we can’t do anything and there’s no need to and no need not to so whatever happens just happens even if you hate yourself for it or it makes you afraid.

@Nahm so what is the solution? Do you stop trying to do anything special and just live life normal?

There is definitely a way out of negative thinking and fearfulness, but I’m not sure that focusing on it and calling it devilry is the best way. maybe work toward seeing things from a different perspective. i think your idea of healing yourself is positive but really focusing on “your devilry” may not be. I don’t really see how drilling yourself for it would make you more brave. i think the only good reason for doing that is because you want a clearer conscience, not because you want to be more brave I don’t know, that’s just my initial thoughts