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What are you guys' thoughts on the interplay between personal and spiritual development? I know there are books on it– like Integral Psychology by Ken Wilber, or, Toward a Psychology of Awakening by John Welwood. But, what is your guys' experience? Do you feel like developing personally leans into spiritual growth and spiritual realization leans into personal growth? Because my experience lately tells me that they are completely seperate. For instance, after realizing no-self, I feel like any 'personal development' is just the development of a false self. I also feel like because this false self is so far from the nature of pure being (of one's true nature), that any realization of pure being (of one's true nature) can't even touch the negative behavioral patterns, mechanisms, fears, and anxieties of the false self because the false self doesn't even exist. Kind of hard to explain, hopefully, you guys get what I mean. Just wanting to know everyone's experience, thoughts, opinions, around this

Just be yourself, follow your feelings, and let her follow her feelings. Do not try to force or control anything. Let everything happen for you.

@melodydanielluna Ultimately, we are one. So consider the idea that your 'ex' never really emotionally supported or comforted you. But that it was you comforting and supporting yourself. It was you giving yourself the feeling of comfort and love. You have always and will always know what you need at an existential level. Your feelings tell you so. So follow your feelings. Consider the longing for comfort, validation, emotional support as an indicator that you are ready to enter into a higher-level relationship with somebody where you can fulfill this need for intimacy healthily. You can choose to fulfill this emotional need yourself by being your own best emotional support system. Or, you can decide that you want someone else to fulfill this role and get into another intimate relationship with someone. Either way, you are depending on yourself. Do you see? 'Co-dependency' doesn't exist at the dimension of oneness. 'Depending' on someone is only depending on yourself because we are one. What made your last relationship 'codependent' in a toxic way is the control and manipulation you speak of. But you do not need control and manipulation. You need to let yourself fulfill your needs directly instead of indirectly. And realize that you are worthy of meeting these needs unconditionally and indefinitely. Once your needs are met, the toxicity is gone. It sounds like you are ready to give yourself healthy belonging and connection– regardless if you give it to yourself or if you get it from someone else. Both are YOU.

You capitalize by knowing that you have everything, are everything, feel everything, love everything, and create everything. You will never stop 'capitalizing' on everything you create, even if it's "bad".

Time is storytelling

interesting!

I know someone who swears moldavite changed his life! I'm going to buy some soon and see

@Matthew85 This is so beautiful! I agree.

@_Archangel_ Interesting! Thank you

Truth is always there. But if you are not aware of it– and thus, are only aware of Truth as it is coated by deception– then you are living out of a false self (a coated version of the Truth). Or, as Leo would call it, self-deception. No?

@Holygrail my feelings exactly

@OBEler well yeah, by comparison definitely. haha

Not since they banned LSD use for psychotherapy in the 70s. Pretty sure somatic therapy was an effort to produce similar effects. Or at least holotropic breathwork was! A psychotherapist who used LSD for therapeutic use was so upset by the ban he started holotropic breathwork to mimic its effects on the body + healing. You should try it out! You can watch Leo's episode on shamanic breathwork to get a feel.

I haven’t tried somatic therapy myself but I’ve been thinking about it. I just have heard so many good things about it from so many people—experts even. Seems like the best option for deep, integrative, trauma healing.

I feel like I get overwhelmed by excitement. I don't have a specific instance, but every time I get excited about something it kind of feels like anxiousness. Maybe it's actually anxiousness but I am positively mistaking it for excitement. haha. What do you guys do when you have this kind of feeling? I don't want to suppress any emotions; yet, with this emotion, because it is so intense I can feel myself suppressing it a smidge. Should I just let the feeling consume me? I wonder what its triggered by– my idea right now is that it is triggered by excitement, joy, love, etc.

No, can you elaborate?

oooo this is goood! Thank you. @RickyFitts thank you! I'll check it out. Yeah it's not a bad feeling it's just so intense it can be kind of scary

How can you understand something that you cannot understand? Like the void inside of you. How can you see something that you cannot see? Like everything around you. Well, feel it. What is it? It is you. It is me. It is Love. Everything you see. Everything you feel. Everything you touch. I reflect myself back to you so you can finally see me, understand me. I'll give you whatever you want. Just love me, because I love you indefinitely.

@RickyFitts I do actually!

Sometimes people feel really good about something in the moment and initiate. But then when the time comes they get nervous, anxious, and it's 10x more hard to put themselves out of their comfort zone. Is she introverted? I would seek more understanding from her before you do any devilish act.

Maybe.. I feel like I have problems with self-expression sometimes in the moment as I freeze up. So maybe this is holding back the emotion from being fully expressed when I'm around others. But it still happens when I'm alone. But then maybeI still hold back when I'm alone. Idk, I don't feel like it's shame or guilt. But I think you're right, there is definitely something there blocking the emotion from being expressed. Maybe I should just scream because that's what it makes me feel like I need to do. haha

It means that reincarnation is not what you think it is.

Let's take a vote hahah

In one of Leo's episodes, he said something along the lines of: Who are you going to turn to? If you run to your Mom, you are only running to yourself. There's no one here but you. This is a huge paraphrase of what he said. But let me tell you, I felt so much comfort in these words. I don't think I've felt more comforted by an idea (not that it's an idea). If only my awareness of this was permanent– I am completely alone. Life would be so incredibly beautiful. And I am living that life! But I wonder, am I a psychopath?! All of this talk on how we are a social species and we 'need' other people and connection. I believe it! And I want connection. But what is wrong with me that I love the idea of being completely alone in this life so much? That everyone is me and I am everyone.

So here's the scene: You're waiting your 28 seconds or whatever, no big deal. And then you think your 28 seconds is done (because who sits there and counts? you don't count when you meditate haha) so then you click submit and then BAM– you're an idiot, the 28 seconds was not over yet, and so here's another 180 more seconds for you. Then you think the 180 seconds is over with... NOPE. Here another 320 more seconds!! Okay, goodbye to what you were going to say. The forum has moved on and your comment is irrelevant now. LOL. I'm just teasing you guys.