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@Elliott Every time I listen to him, I feel the sense of a separate self unravels some more. That is what I mean by hearing it from different angles. Each time he seems to say the message in a subtly different way. But the main message seems quite clear. You still haven't answered my question tho, is there something specific in the message that you find confusing ?

I seem to be getting the message just by watching interviews with him on youtube. But I'm sure a full 3 day retreat creates the possibility to go even deeper. ie hearing the message from many subtle different angles. I haven't been to one of his retreats, so I don't really know what it's like.

LOL

For a 3 day retreat, accommodation and meals included, with a world class teacher, that seems quite reasonable actually.

Wow, that one kinda stops the mind for a while. (Leo Hartong, another name I haven't heard of, sometimes feel there might be more awake people around than we think.)

That's exactly what I love about listening to Jim's message, it's like the questions begin to melt away by themselves

I use to listen to Spira a lot. And then I kind of went off nonduality teachings for a few years. Only discovered Newman recently from a post here on the forum. Something clicked. I actually find his message quite clear. I'm curious, what do you view as confusing in his message ? I really don't think he's in this for the money per say. (He only charges like 10 dollars for his monthly zoom calls, and you can watch the replay for free on youtube.)

That's a cool exercise, thank you. (Yeah, I think he was Rupert Spira's original teacher.

The word spiritual ego is really not a judgement. Everyone here has it, or has had it at one stage. It's just part of the process. I'm being frank, because before I got married, I went through the same struggle for years. Spiritual ego is sneaky, someone had to point it out to me. It really did create this kind of an illusion that there's no one out there for me.

It's spiritual ego that creates the illusion that we won't find a partner who is advanced enough for us. (It's just a phase that spiritual people go through.)

So then, where would you go to meet spiritual people who are also responsible ? Maybe spiritual entrepreneur Meetup groups. Focus on what you want, and then go where you think they might be. God damn bro, Finland, ur blessed !

@Miguel1 What exactly do you mean by bypassers ?

I'm curious, which country ?

Okay, but the "look at your hand" exercise of Leo, is also pointing to what Jim is saying about: It's already here now

I'm not saying you should stop doing anything. But if you want to meet a beautiful witch, go pub crawling to all the spiritual hotspots. Not museums Jesus lol. It doesn't need to be boring, think festivals etc. Have fun bro

Yeah, when I listen to him, I would almost compare it to a type of psychedelic, it's like I can feel an unravelling happening in the background, without any effort on my part.

@Miguel1 Just make a complete switch in focus from normies to spiritual women. Ultimately you don't want to be in a romantic relationship with a normie.

First of all, let go of this idea that there aren't any hot spiritual women out there. Sooth the statistical mind with this fact, there have never been more spiritually minded women on the planet than right now. (And the numbers will just keep growing.) If you're in a city or even a town, my guess is there will be many spiritual type events which you haven't checked out yet. Meditations groups where everyone gets to discuss spiritual topics is great for starting conversations during a coffee break. Spiritual festivals, philosophy discussion groups, yoga classes, breathing groups, tantra classes, I mean the list goes on. And don't look down on spiritual dating sites either. https://www.datingnews.com/daters-pulse/best-spiritual-dating-sites/

To be fair, half of your original post was about your challenges regarding games being played in relationship etc. Which is why people have been reaching out, but you seem to be blocking everyone. It does seem like you are mostly approaching normie women. (hence all the complaints about games being played.) Have you actually made it your intention to focus on meeting a beautiful spiritual woman ?

Just out of curiosity, how many spiritual women have you been in a proper relationship with ?

@Someone here Not sure why you want to end our conversation right now, but okay. (You didn't really answer my question though. See I think what Jim is pointing to, is that when there is a permanent cessation of the sense of a separate self, the distinction between nothingness and the knowing of nothingness, dissolves. That's why he says, "it's not an experience".)

So you are two ? You are nothingness and the knowing of the nothingness ? I think this is where Jim might differ. He mentions a lot that: "It is not an experience."

What would you say is pure consciousness ? "All that there already is, is absolute purity." Jim

How so ? And how do you actually know the details of what, Jim for example, has realized or not ?

I don't know much about Q, but yeah people like David Icke etc were way ahead of the curve with regards to pedo rings etc. Anyways, I'm gonna sign off here, I think we might be derailing the thread.