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I think the best we can do is to agree to disagree, because if I agreed with what you are saying now, then I would be disagreeing with scholars who are more versed on this topic than I am. Peace brother.

So is he actually pro communism ?

There are plenty examples of statement of intent from political and military leaders, see Raze's post, and the link I shared at the bottom of page 3. Why don't you just do yourself a favor, and watch the interview with Omer Bartov. Firstly, he is an Israeli who served in the military. Secondly, he is an actual scholar of genocide studies, who has written many books on the very subject. He is the last person who would be throwing the term genocide around loosely. And you keep mentioning the UN definition of genocide. I provided you with evidence that a special committee from the UN themselves concluded that it's genocide. As did Amnesty International. (I'm tired too, have provided enough evidence.) Peace

I took the time to actually watch this video: When you look at the pattern of what Israel has done: - you see political and military leaders talking about destroying Gaza, flattening it, talking about Palestinians as human animals, saying that there are no uninvolved people, that it's not simply against Hamas, but against the entire population, ie statements/expressions of intent. - it turns out that these statements were not only made in the heat of the moment, but were implemented, you can see systematic destruction of universities, schools, mosques, museums, hospitals, housing and infrastructure, making it impossible for people to live in the Gaza strip, making it basically uninhabitable, and also making it impossible for the people to revive their cultural and educational life, by killing vast numbers of academics. This means that the intention is to destroy the group as such. And this intention has been implemented over time. @samijiben (Initially you said you don't know what's happening in Gaza and you are just looking for an answer, but clearly you already had a pretty fixed position that it's not genocide, otherwise you would not have had such a strong emotional reaction in some of the previous posts.) So I have a feeling that no amount of evidence or logic is going to change your mind on this one. Which means your Steven Crowder analogy is actually quite apt.

Most people in this thread skipped over Raze's post on page 1. I'm just reposting one section here. (he's quoting from an article) But it's interesting to read the views of quite a number of Israeli scholars on this subject, who are convinced that it is genocide.

@samijiben It's interesting to note that even some scholars in Israel see this as a genocide. (Omer Bartov is actually also a scholar of genocide studies.) Might be a good idea to listen to an expert on this topic.

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/database-exposes-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza-16537146 @samijiben

Are you speaking as the settler, the agent, the individual or the person ?🤣

Weed has its benefits, but just like any addiction, it's ultimately used to numb emotional pain. It becomes easier to let go of addiction, once we get better at Allowing uncomfortable feelings to purely be as they are. 90percent of suffering is resistance. Once that Allowing click happens, healing becomes more effortless.

I think Aaron Abke is also into this natural law stuff. (But don't the government just tell them, sorry this how we do things now, end of story ?) @BlueOak

What is the definition of a sovereign citizen ?

Thats crazy, 1/5 of the population, and Trump could have prevented much of that, if he spoke seriously to Bibi the way he did with regards to stopping the attacks on Iran.

I'm not trying to win anything here. Just giving you the evidence. It's natural that a lot of people are still in denial about this. I mean how could the people to whom the Holocaust was done possibly be involved in something like a genocide right ? But there's no reason to be shocked really. We're all capable of Everything. @samijiben

I don't think you did. Please remind me, how do you damage or destroy 92 percent of residential buildings if your target was purely Hamas ?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ Amnesty International also says it's a genocide. @samijiben

The evidence is simply overwhelming: How do you damage or destroy 92 percent of residential buildings, and then claim you had the intent of distinguishing between civilians and Hamas ?

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Im not arguing. You initially said you wanted to know if whats happening in Gaza matches up with the definition of genocide. You quoted the UN definition of what constitutes genocide. And the UN answered your question with a pretty clear yes. (An interesting experiment to try: Imagine for a moment that you have no choice but to accept that this is in fact a genocide, and then see what that pov brings up for you in your inner world.) Peace.

I know the reality is hard to accept. You quoted the UN definition of genocide. And the UN themselves literally confirmed that it is the case.

@PurpleTree Just as you mentioned Wall Street.

Yeah I hear you. It might be a challenge to figure out exactly which policies to go with. There's definitely something to build on here. Sounds like he has a really enthusiastic grassroots movement going. And maybe America is getting ready for some real change on a lot of issues.

This really is quite amazing. I feel there's a real possibility now that the next President could be someone like a Bernie Sanders type figure.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide @samijiben You quoted the UN definition of genocide. Above is an article from a special UN committee saying that the Israeli warfare methods in Gaza are consistent with genocide. So it's not just a buzz word that's being thrown around, it's reality.

"The UN estimates that approximately 92 per cent of all residential buildings in Gaza – around 436,000 homes – have been damaged or destroyed since the start of the conflict." - dated 22 Apr 2025. I'm not going to post the images of devastation here, they are easy to find on the internet. But I think the evidence is overwhelming that there was basically zero intent to distinguish between civilians and Hamas. @samijiben

Well, thank you for finally being honest with your point of view. Firstly let me just say, that I actually have a much closer connection with Israel than with Palestine. So I feel I'm looking at the evidence quite objectively. Oct 7th was horrific. But come on, if you look at the aerial images of Gaza, their target definitely was not just Hamas. Not sure how Gaza doesn't already look like a parking lot to you right now. Bibi clearly thought to himself, fuck it, lets kill them all. Do you really think Bibi would have sent aid if the world weren't watching ?