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Thats crazy, 1/5 of the population, and Trump could have prevented much of that, if he spoke seriously to Bibi the way he did with regards to stopping the attacks on Iran.

I'm not trying to win anything here. Just giving you the evidence. It's natural that a lot of people are still in denial about this. I mean how could the people to whom the Holocaust was done possibly be involved in something like a genocide right ? But there's no reason to be shocked really. We're all capable of Everything. @samijiben

I don't think you did. Please remind me, how do you damage or destroy 92 percent of residential buildings if your target was purely Hamas ?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ Amnesty International also says it's a genocide. @samijiben

The evidence is simply overwhelming: How do you damage or destroy 92 percent of residential buildings, and then claim you had the intent of distinguishing between civilians and Hamas ?

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Im not arguing. You initially said you wanted to know if whats happening in Gaza matches up with the definition of genocide. You quoted the UN definition of what constitutes genocide. And the UN answered your question with a pretty clear yes. (An interesting experiment to try: Imagine for a moment that you have no choice but to accept that this is in fact a genocide, and then see what that pov brings up for you in your inner world.) Peace.

I know the reality is hard to accept. You quoted the UN definition of genocide. And the UN themselves literally confirmed that it is the case.

@PurpleTree Just as you mentioned Wall Street.

Yeah I hear you. It might be a challenge to figure out exactly which policies to go with. There's definitely something to build on here. Sounds like he has a really enthusiastic grassroots movement going. And maybe America is getting ready for some real change on a lot of issues.

This really is quite amazing. I feel there's a real possibility now that the next President could be someone like a Bernie Sanders type figure.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide @samijiben You quoted the UN definition of genocide. Above is an article from a special UN committee saying that the Israeli warfare methods in Gaza are consistent with genocide. So it's not just a buzz word that's being thrown around, it's reality.

"The UN estimates that approximately 92 per cent of all residential buildings in Gaza – around 436,000 homes – have been damaged or destroyed since the start of the conflict." - dated 22 Apr 2025. I'm not going to post the images of devastation here, they are easy to find on the internet. But I think the evidence is overwhelming that there was basically zero intent to distinguish between civilians and Hamas. @samijiben

Well, thank you for finally being honest with your point of view. Firstly let me just say, that I actually have a much closer connection with Israel than with Palestine. So I feel I'm looking at the evidence quite objectively. Oct 7th was horrific. But come on, if you look at the aerial images of Gaza, their target definitely was not just Hamas. Not sure how Gaza doesn't already look like a parking lot to you right now. Bibi clearly thought to himself, fuck it, lets kill them all. Do you really think Bibi would have sent aid if the world weren't watching ?

Is there really any evidence to suggest that it's not a genocide ?

What makes you think that there's a possibility that it doesn't conform to the definition of genocide ?

The whole place is practically destroyed, what evidence is there to suggest otherwise ? Are you willing to consider the possibility that the holocaust was bad but not too bad. The framing here seems to be just as rediculous.

Jesus, i just thought things were calming down a bit.

So it's quite similar to the Scandinavian way of running things ? Or will there be some major differences ?

I hear you. Probably won't work as well in America. Seems like America just needs to get their rich to pay their fair share of tax somehow.

Yeah, pure socialism don't sound like a good idea to me.

Okay, that sounds better.

How do you see public ownership of means of production working practically in a place like America ?

Is he a hardcore socialist in the sense of no private ownership of production etc ?

Well it shows you that something in a more socialist direction is not as scary as some people think. What does true socialism mean to you ?