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@Mellowmarsh "Only the absolute is, and the absolute cannot be known to be known without creating an artificial divide of knower and known. So to clarify. The absolute cannot be known , simply because there is only the absolute. No one can know the absolute because no one is the absolute. No one & one are completely and utterly identical, they are one and the same one always and forever, there is no other one. One is never divided, because there’s no other one. Knowledge of opposites, or distinction, is only ever pointing to the illusory nature of the apparent division. No where in these nondual pointers is there being a pointing to this immediate seamless totality as being the illusion mentioned , no, that’s exactly NOT what is being pointed to by the collective spiritual community. The illusion being pointed to, is the personal claim made by an avatar that the absolute totality can be known by a “ someone “ no, that’s not what is being pointed to, that is the illusion. Not the pointing itself. The pointing is not pointing to a “ someone “ who knows, because that’s the separation right there, it’s an illusion, that’s not real. Everything is already the absolute totality, without ever claiming to know it through knowledge. The knowledge of absolute totality is the illusion, and so that’s all knowledge does is point to the illusory nature of knowledge." Brilliant explanation, thank you !

But seriously, please can you say something about ego as a state of consciousness ?

Love this song😎

You cant hide from Jim 😁

Well if all the other characters are npc, but the perception is that somehow my character is not, then perhaps something is being overlooked.

I've got Jim on the line here, he says he still wants to have a chat with you😁 Please can you say a bit more about the separate sense of self as a state of consciousness ?

What I'm saying is that 'when' the sense of separate self 'falls away' permanently ( it never truly existed in the first place), it might just pop that solipsistic bubble even further. Then that last sentence "The dream of him dreaming everything else is all there is", might need to be edited, ie without the 'him' all we can say is: All there is is all there is.

What I meant was is, what if your character, ie Inliytened1, is actually just as npc as all the other characters you see out there.

Holy shit, did you see this, 10 goals in the Bronze match between France and England ! Man, in an alternative reality, this was a great final

What if your character is actually also npc.

This seems a bit over the top to be honest. Nothing illegal happening here

For the moment I'm going to need to agree to disagree with you on the reality of the sense of separate self. But think about it, if most of the spiritual teachers, including Adyashanti, Newman, Ralston, Leo etc, are wrong about pretty much most things, and lets say you are actually the one who is correct, who is the special one then ?

'Surrendering' the sense of a separate self, seems to be quite literally the opposite of an alpha move

Yes, I understand that change and Changeless cannot be separated as such. The point still stands: Because relative change has absolutely zero effect upon the Changeless, many a sage through the ages have uttered the words: "Nothing has ever truly happened."

I'm still not sure that what you're pointing at is somehow different to what I'm pointing at. What is your definition of this openess or absolute being, besides it having no limits ?

Cool beans.

No one is saying there is no change at a relative level. The point is that this apparent change is happening within the Changeless. Hence the phrase which many a sage has uttered: "Nothing has ever happened."

I read your meditation thread but I couldn't find the answer there that I was looking for. Forget about the term Indescribable Mystery. Let's call it the Beloved. The question still stands: How exactly is your notion of Unlimited Being, different from, That which has the infinite ability to appear as anything under the sun and beyond, and which has as its nature, unconditional freedom, unconditional love, unconditional aliveness, infinite beauty etc ?

@Breakingthewall I am curious, how exactly is your notion of Unlimited Being, different from, the Indescribable Mystery (or the Beloved), so called Nothingness (not the opposite of somethingness, but I admit potentially a misleading term), that has the infinite ability to appear as anything under the sun and beyond, and which has as its nature, unconditional freedom, unconditional love, unconditional aliveness, infinite beauty etc ?

Aha, thank you. I would also just like to get some clarity on one other thing if you don't mind, A while back in the Jim Newman thread you said: "to answer the question just in case the objective wasn’t clear ..it’s the absolute self . If you were to tell Jim Newman there is such a thing as an absolute self he would deny it and say that there is no self at all. Those non duality speakers who say there is no self at all have a huge misunderstanding of certain teachings of Buddhism (essentially they are in love with the Buddhist teaching about no self and just parrot it mindlessly.. there is no separate self inside the human body . That’s true . But they miss the absolute self which could be said to be the ground of being . It’s there even in Deep sleep ..prior to birth ..and after the death of the body . And it’s unborn and deathless . That’s how you can remember that you were nothing before birth and you can remember there was nothing in deep sleep..because the absolute self was there in those states . It doesn’t die or sleep . It’s pure eternal awareness." I am curious, how exactly is your notion of Absolute Self, different from, the Indescribable Mystery (or the Beloved), so called Nothingness (not the opposite of somethingness, but I admit potentially a misleading term), that has the infinite ability to appear as anything under the sun and beyond, and which has as its nature, unconditional freedom, unconditional love, unconditional aliveness, infinite beauty etc ?

But if your sense of separate self is an illusion, does the same not apply to everyone else, or am I missing something ?

How so ?

What if you are actually also an empty shell, and there's actually no one here.

Beautiful.