Wilhelm44

Im talking about a Nothingness which has no opposite. Its not the opposite of something. It's indescribable mystery. Has as it's nature unconditional freedom, unconditional love, infinite beauty. And has the infinite ability to appear as anything under the sun and beyond. We talking about the same 'thing' and getting hung up on words. Tell me, what exact substance is unlimited being made of ? Can it really be put into words ?

Lets not start worshipping suffering either. Nothing wrong with removing some psychological suffering.

Yes, we get it, we still gotta provide some service to make a living.

When you say no form without substance, is that substance not Nothingness ? Are we not talking about groundless Being here ?

So there's like a whole hierarchy of heavenly beings ? What function do the devas serve in the bigger scheme of things ?

Most spiritual teachers refer to dreamlike quality, Leo says it's all imagined etc. The mistake you're making is thinking this will lead to disrespecting of things No, it actually leads to more love, unless someone is a zen devil of course. People who are full on materialists tend to disrespect things way more.

I don't know these people you are referring to, right now I'm resonating with Jim, he seems to be quite balanced.

As far as the myth part goes, you would probably need to question Nisargadatta, Jim Newman, or Marshmellow, on their daily experience of life. I think they are highly likely to say otherwise.

Jim Newman makes the same radical claim.

I think that perhaps what Cetus was pointing to, is that maybe you dont relate to the experience (God realization etc) being described by the words, because you haven't done psychedelics ?

So if I may ask, was it a huge energetic experience in the body, thunder and lightning etc ? Terrifying, or were you already significantly prepared for it to be experienced, or not experienced, more just as Glorious etc ?

I seem to be experiencing it as a gradual unravelling of the sense of a separate self, just by listening to Jim. For you it was instantaneous, in a flash, done, no more sense of separate self ?

Wow, thank you🙂

So would it be fair to say that none of the God realization people have had a permanent cessation of the sense of separate self ?

So when the God realization people say, they have realized themselves as the "Infinite Mind, which is imagining all of this", how do you view that statement ?

I am curious, how have you personally integrated nonduality and God realization ? It seems to me that the God realization people underestimate the importance of a permanent cessation of the separate sense of self. At the same time I sense the nonduality people can also still learn something from the God realization guys, ie perhaps there's some real deep validity to certain peak mystical states etc.

If others dont exist, what are devas ? Are they linked to Leo's teaching about infinity of Gods. Please can you expand a bit on this topic ?

Wow, thank you !

Can you expand a bit on this please ?

Aha, thanks.

Dont look so sad🙂 Im trying to figure out what he meant by coral being more ego somehow ?

Like a divine personality ?

Can you say a bit more about this please ?

I like that, thank you.