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Apparently Bashar has only ever made 3 predictions. The first 2 he got right, Twin towers, and also Trump's first election. Lets see, it would sure spice things up a bit

I think I misunderstood you, I thought you meant he's just in it for the business. But sure, I don't have a problem with spiritual teachers charging money for retreats etc. Youtube is free. Retreats they make a living from. Sounds fair to me.

Just discovered this guy recently, and every time I listen to him, more and more of the sense of separate self just seems to melt away without any effort. Kinda magical really. It's gotten to the point now that when I think of memories of the past, there are impressions of past events, but I can't find a me in those memories, quite trippy.

Aha, I'm sorry, I just didn't understand ur reasoning. You seemed to imply that the fact that he was holding retreats somehow meant that the message was confusing. (That would imply that every spiritual teacher who holds retreats is somehow sharing a confusing message) Retreats are simply an opportunity to go into things in more depth. And to get a real feel for the energy of the teacher in person.

"This" is all that we are really looking for. The seeking energy is all that apparently veils "This" Even the seeking energy already is "This" The futility of seeking is one of his main pointers.

Beautiful. Thank you.

Not sure what ur saying ? (Jim simply uses the term: indescribeable mystery

I think there's always the possibility to go deeper in a retreat. Why go to any retreat ? If by completely clear you mean: has Wilhelm died yet, then the answer is no. (I think it's probably extremely rare to just hear the message once, and then immediately have a permanent cessation of the separate sense of self.) But intellectually the message is clear to me. And it's definitely effective. How about yourself, what is it that you don't like about the message ?

According to Google, Jim and Tony's stuff is classified as radical or uncompromising nonduality. I'm not that familiar with all the official terms.

@Elliott I think we might be talking past each other at the moment lol. The message basically stays the same, but he uses slightly different words each time. That's all I meant by subtle different angles. Here is an example of 'different' introductions.

@Elliott Every time I listen to him, I feel the sense of a separate self unravels some more. That is what I mean by hearing it from different angles. Each time he seems to say the message in a subtly different way. But the main message seems quite clear. You still haven't answered my question tho, is there something specific in the message that you find confusing ?

I seem to be getting the message just by watching interviews with him on youtube. But I'm sure a full 3 day retreat creates the possibility to go even deeper. ie hearing the message from many subtle different angles. I haven't been to one of his retreats, so I don't really know what it's like.

LOL

For a 3 day retreat, accommodation and meals included, with a world class teacher, that seems quite reasonable actually.

Wow, that one kinda stops the mind for a while. (Leo Hartong, another name I haven't heard of, sometimes feel there might be more awake people around than we think.)

That's exactly what I love about listening to Jim's message, it's like the questions begin to melt away by themselves

I use to listen to Spira a lot. And then I kind of went off nonduality teachings for a few years. Only discovered Newman recently from a post here on the forum. Something clicked. I actually find his message quite clear. I'm curious, what do you view as confusing in his message ? I really don't think he's in this for the money per say. (He only charges like 10 dollars for his monthly zoom calls, and you can watch the replay for free on youtube.)

That's a cool exercise, thank you. (Yeah, I think he was Rupert Spira's original teacher.

The word spiritual ego is really not a judgement. Everyone here has it, or has had it at one stage. It's just part of the process. I'm being frank, because before I got married, I went through the same struggle for years. Spiritual ego is sneaky, someone had to point it out to me. It really did create this kind of an illusion that there's no one out there for me.

It's spiritual ego that creates the illusion that we won't find a partner who is advanced enough for us. (It's just a phase that spiritual people go through.)

So then, where would you go to meet spiritual people who are also responsible ? Maybe spiritual entrepreneur Meetup groups. Focus on what you want, and then go where you think they might be. God damn bro, Finland, ur blessed !

@Miguel1 What exactly do you mean by bypassers ?

I'm curious, which country ?

Okay, but the "look at your hand" exercise of Leo, is also pointing to what Jim is saying about: It's already here now

I'm not saying you should stop doing anything. But if you want to meet a beautiful witch, go pub crawling to all the spiritual hotspots. Not museums Jesus lol. It doesn't need to be boring, think festivals etc. Have fun bro