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I'm a bit confused now. Was the Discord group not a cult ?

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Where did I say I was in a cult ?🙂 Yeah, you right, Im not as heavily invested in this as you are. But I am curious about your official definition of a cult. Is there no one page summary somewhere ?

@Carl-Richard Just to be clear, I still don't think it's a cult. I said I thought zurew made 3 strong points, and I hope Leo will respond. Just as a sidenote, when I asked you on p14 to give your definition of a cult, you also just gave a one liner: "Social group with wacko beliefs compared to the surrounding society, often religious in nature." Do you perhaps have a more complete definition yourself ?

When I first checked I was chuffed, cause I thought amber was like yellow lol. You know I was thinking, if there actually was a full proof system that graded everyone's development here, then to me that would feel more like a cult than anything.

Yes, it was discussed a bit earlier in this thread. (p14)

Tell Carl that according to the AI debate analyser, one of his blind spots may be: "Personal cult history may colour his readiness to see cult dynamics here."

Yes, where are the mods (who don't agree with the cult accusations) that have some strong analytical debating skills ?

Am I gonna get paid for my data being used in such an embarrassing way ? (What happens when you put Trump in the machine ?)

I think you actually made some good points, especially those 3 main points that were highlighted. The real question is, now what ?

Points taken. I already discussed though with zurew the concept in a debate of only addressing one point as being potentially useful too. I did not imply that all your other points were invalid, by only addressing the point I felt called to speak to. (Recall that I said: As far as the other points go, I hope you and Leo sort things out.) In a collective debate one person can come along and wobble one leg of the table, and another person can show up and wobble a different leg of the table. Implying that I should not partake in the debate because I only address one point and not all the points, is racist.

Yeah, it's a long shot. Japan drew against Netherlands. And Morrocco drew against Brazil. (Japan has the ability to shock in sports, will never forget when they beat the Springboks in a rugby world cup.)

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DZfgMv_uThF/

Japan against Moricco in the finals.

Of course.

Aha, got it. I think that yesterday you narrowed this whole drama down to 3 very succinct points. Hopefully one of the mods will approach Leo soon with some kind of formal statement, so that resolution can be found, and we can finally close this thread.

The point is that if everyone in a group has potential psychotic tendencies, then by these metrics, no one would qualify as a suitable leader. ie if you were the leader of this group, there would also be the potential for you to lose it one day and steer the group down a dark path, just as would be the case for everyone else here.

Okay, but can you agree then, that by that very definition of using suicidal moments as pointers to psychotic tendencies, that most people on this forum have potential psychotic tendencies ? Have you not had any suicidal moments in your life ?

Indeed

True. I would be curious to know though if there is an actual example of a cult out there, who did place a heavy emphasis on teaching epistemology and critical thinking, and still ended up going down a dark path ?

I would just like to add one final point, and then I'm done. By using suicidal moments as part of your case to point to psychotic tendencies, you are basically including everyone in the spiritual world. (Because once again, hands up everyone here who has never had a single suicidal moment in their lives.) Therefore it would be best to stick to those other or additional facts you mentioned, in the process of determining psychotic tendencies. So whether or not some supposedly smart psychiatrist thinks that suicidal moments points to psychotic tendencies, if you include that metric, you are basically excluding most spiritual people in the world from being seen as suitable leaders to any group. Because by that very definition then we all have psychotic tendencies here. Suicidal moments can also point to a powerful rebirth, but this is language that most psychiatrists probably wouldn't understand.

Nice, 3 simple points. (You're a proper sharp debater. Finally some rest.)

@zurew So just out of curiosity, if Leo stopped calling himself the most conscious person on the planet. And if he qualified his statements about other people's awakenings, by saying that he could be wrong, would that be enough for you not to view this place as a cult anymore ? ie what would ultimately tilt it from being a cult to not being a cult, for you personally ?

Points taken.

Fair enough. (I guess I just got triggered in the moment, I wouldn't want someone describing a suicidal event of mine as proof that I might not be a suitable leader. But I hear what you're saying.)