Wilhelm44

Just discovered this guy recently, and every time I listen to him, more and more of the sense of separate self just seems to melt away without any effort. Kinda magical really. It's gotten to the point now that when I think of memories of the past, there are impressions of past events, but I can't find a me in those memories, quite trippy.

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Lets go Morocco ! (Most African teams ever to make it to the knock out stages)

Good question

Fair enough

Yeah, and the retreat might actually be actualized.org's first public event.

Should be good fun. (I'll only travel to America again when Trump's gone. Don't want to be stopped at the airport and sent to a Haitian prison by mistake.)

Are you going to Leo's psychedelic retreat ?

Really, on this forum ?

Im 49, I wonder who's the oldest person here lol One thing i love doing for leisure is simply to go chill in a coffee shop. I seem to trip on that vibe of being around a lot of people. My wife is the opposite, she can hardly go into a mall.

Good going bro !

One of the points brought up in the cult accusations was that Leo was making definitive statements about other people's awakenings. In Razard86's latest post in the spirituality section, he claims to have that very ability, ie to tune into what the specific flavour of someone's awakening is. I found that quite interesting. @Carl-Richard How do you view this ?

@zurew If Razard86 has this ability, and it sounds like he does, then perhaps Leo also has the ability to tune into people's levels of awakening and make statements about it. What do you think ? (This might actually wobble one of the legs, that the cult accusations have been standing on.)

Apparently Bashar has only ever made 3 predictions. The first 2 he got right, Twin towers, and also Trump's first election. Lets see, it would sure spice things up a bit

I think I misunderstood you, I thought you meant he's just in it for the business. But sure, I don't have a problem with spiritual teachers charging money for retreats etc. Youtube is free. Retreats they make a living from. Sounds fair to me.

Aha, I'm sorry, I just didn't understand ur reasoning. You seemed to imply that the fact that he was holding retreats somehow meant that the message was confusing. (That would imply that every spiritual teacher who holds retreats is somehow sharing a confusing message) Retreats are simply an opportunity to go into things in more depth. And to get a real feel for the energy of the teacher in person.

"This" is all that we are really looking for. The seeking energy is all that apparently veils "This" Even the seeking energy already is "This" The futility of seeking is one of his main pointers.

Beautiful. Thank you.

Not sure what ur saying ? (Jim simply uses the term: indescribeable mystery

I think there's always the possibility to go deeper in a retreat. Why go to any retreat ? If by completely clear you mean: has Wilhelm died yet, then the answer is no. (I think it's probably extremely rare to just hear the message once, and then immediately have a permanent cessation of the separate sense of self.) But intellectually the message is clear to me. And it's definitely effective. How about yourself, what is it that you don't like about the message ?

According to Google, Jim and Tony's stuff is classified as radical or uncompromising nonduality. I'm not that familiar with all the official terms.

@Elliott I think we might be talking past each other at the moment lol. The message basically stays the same, but he uses slightly different words each time. That's all I meant by subtle different angles. Here is an example of 'different' introductions.

@Elliott Every time I listen to him, I feel the sense of a separate self unravels some more. That is what I mean by hearing it from different angles. Each time he seems to say the message in a subtly different way. But the main message seems quite clear. You still haven't answered my question tho, is there something specific in the message that you find confusing ?

I seem to be getting the message just by watching interviews with him on youtube. But I'm sure a full 3 day retreat creates the possibility to go even deeper. ie hearing the message from many subtle different angles. I haven't been to one of his retreats, so I don't really know what it's like.

LOL