Wilhelm44

Just discovered this guy recently, and every time I listen to him, more and more of the sense of separate self just seems to melt away without any effort. Kinda magical really. It's gotten to the point now that when I think of memories of the past, there are impressions of past events, but I can't find a me in those memories, quite trippy.

Jim Noman as Sugarcoat likes to call him

Thank you.

Thanks, will watch on the weekend.

How so ?

I wish he had shorter clips, it's hard to just look things up

I think we going in circles now. (Talking about the possibility or impossibility of someone else's experience) It might be a valuable experiment for you to question him personally live on air on one of his monthly zoom meetings.

I think I once heard him say, there is no past, present or future. There is just what is.

It's a radical message for sure. Some objections that I have seen in this thread is that it would be impossible for Jim to even function if his sense of separate self was not there anymore. But it's just life happening automatically by itself, without the sense of personal ownership. (I like the quote you have there: Grief is love with nowhere to go.)

What do you mean ?

If you watch the clip I shared earlier, he explains his everyday experience quite clearly. ps he never talks about getting rid of ego. The word ego is never used in his message. He simply says there is no more identifying/claiming/owning/seeking etc. (the part that felt separate/incomplete is not there anymore.)

Thank you, there's a lot to contemplate here !

He's simply empty of the sense of a separate self. (And by that he means the seeking energy which feels separate and incomplete) Jim is like the last person to fanboy over. I like his work because it's been effective for me in a very short space of time. As I said in the original post, something interesting has happened where my memories are now devoid of a sense of me. I have listened to many teachers, for me personally no other message has been this effective at unravelling the sense of a separate self. Jim seems to be underestimated precisely because the message is so simple.

I think we might just need to agree to disagree on this one. (From this passage above you do seem to be missing the point though. It's simply emptiness living, ie there is no one there to identify/claim/own etc. This doesn't mean there's no personality. Not sure what this has to do with lucid dreaming. It's more like waking up from the dream of separation.)

@Inliytened1 See from 8:20 to around 15:30 (That gives an indication of how life flows through that body/mind system.)

I'm gonna find a clip for you where he describes his experience. Will be back soon.

When I say there is no point, it is not in a nihilistic way. Nothing has inherent meaning or value. When you contemplate this, it is actually quite liberating.

There is no point.

Yes, to escape spirituality itself.

I don't think you have actually heard Jim speak about this. His experience of daily life is very radically different. I will see if I can find a clip for you. There is no one behind the wheel, not just for Jim, but actually for everyone. The illusion is that there's a real character called Wilhelm who's doing this life. Ultimately life is happening automatically.

You misunderstood. Functioning still happens. Thoughts and emotions arise. But there is no Jim character in there to claim all of that as his own. ie it's all impersonal happening. Hence no psychological suffering. But of course physical pain can still occur.

Quite the opposite, there's nothing in his message for the individual, no techniques, no path etc. I'm still listening to Leo and others. I just think it's rare to meet someone where the sense of separate self has fallen away never to return.

I like that, thank you.

Yeah, Tony Parsons. I think he purposely avoids talking about mystical states of consciousness. For him it's about the seeking energy which apparently veils the indescribable mystery. The seeking energy is linked to an apparent character which believes itself to be in separation. His message points out the futility of seeking. Even seeking is the indescribable mystery. For him personally that seeking energy fell away completely. Sense of separation fell away completely. All there is is indescribable mystery. And this is not a state or an experience. I'm probably not doing the message justice, but it's something like that. (You mentioned "hopefully the sense of self comes back". This was not the case for Jim)

I'm not so sure about that. He says "This" is not an experience.