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I think that perhaps what Cetus was pointing to, is that maybe you dont relate to the experience (God realization etc) being described by the words, because you haven't done psychedelics ?

So if I may ask, was it a huge energetic experience in the body, thunder and lightning etc ? Terrifying, or were you already significantly prepared for it to be experienced, or not experienced, more just as Glorious etc ?

I seem to be experiencing it as a gradual unravelling of the sense of a separate self, just by listening to Jim. For you it was instantaneous, in a flash, done, no more sense of separate self ?

Wow, thank you🙂

So would it be fair to say that none of the God realization people have had a permanent cessation of the sense of separate self ?

So when the God realization people say, they have realized themselves as the "Infinite Mind, which is imagining all of this", how do you view that statement ?

I am curious, how have you personally integrated nonduality and God realization ? It seems to me that the God realization people underestimate the importance of a permanent cessation of the separate sense of self. At the same time I sense the nonduality people can also still learn something from the God realization guys, ie perhaps there's some real deep validity to certain peak mystical states etc.

If others dont exist, what are devas ? Are they linked to Leo's teaching about infinity of Gods. Please can you expand a bit on this topic ?

Wow, thank you !

Can you expand a bit on this please ?

Aha, thanks.

Dont look so sad🙂 Im trying to figure out what he meant by coral being more ego somehow ?

Like a divine personality ?

Can you say a bit more about this please ?

I like that, thank you.

Beautiful

Yeah, I guess in Nahm's defense, he did also say: "If I am Wakefulness, the last thing I'd be thinking about is jumping off bridges. I'd be so passionate and enthused it'd take a hundred lifetimes to experience everything I want to experience."

It is interesting though, that if AI eventually lives up to it's full potential and nobody has to work anymore, then people will need to deal with that. What you ultimately are has no direction or purpose as such. Yet it is unconditional freedom, unconditional love, infinite beauty, already.

Yeah, I guess there's no right way of dealing with suicidal people.

The point is Adyashanti wouldn't get depressed if he stopped teaching tomoro. He's not dependent on some sense of purpose.

Of course behavior goes through a refinement/purification process. I'm not saying you become perfect, but there's definitely a change. Certain things don't piss you off as much as they once did. Consequently you're able to be kinder to people etc. Things become lighter. If there's no change, how will Love express itself through you in ever expanding ways ?

As far as Nahm goes: There's such a thing as meeting people where they are at. He didn't seem to have any respect for that principle.

I wouldn't say it doesn't change. There's definitely some refinement/purification which seems to happen naturally.

Yeah, he just calls it This, or What's happening. He'll even say there is no past, present or future, there's just This. (I just think he's really good at pointing out the futility of seeking, and this allows for a natural unravelling of that seeking energy.)