Wilhelm44

I thought you might like it

Just sent you a message lovely

No I like the relatively (un)true thing

@Mellowmarsh I'm glad you're back. (you seemed a bit gloomy about reality a few days ago.)

For sure lovely, will do, thank you

We have been talking in so many circles we forgot what the original thing was about Whatever I say, you'll just say it's relatively (un)true. And I agreed with you about that now. Lets just leave it at that.

You're funny But it's true

You right, everything is relatively (un)true. The end

Seriously, you should write a book one day, you have a wonderful way with words

I've decided to chop it up and focus on the last part. This is like a proper Zen Koan, I'm gonna contemplate overnight and let you know what happens (:) @Mellowmarsh

Should you decide to start a church one day, you can write this in neon lights above the building

You mean beyond the mind's knowing I assume. Going to contemplate this one a bit more, thanks.

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True ie the Absolute is not affected by the relative.

Everything you say is relatively (un)true

“That which is changeless and unaffected by the passing of time, which remains the same in the past, present, and future, is the Absolute Reality.” — Adi Shankaracharya “The world changes, but the Self remains changeless. The body is born and dies, but the Self is unborn and immortal.” — Ramana Maharshi

@Hyperion The Changeless is not the opposite of change. The Changeless is that which has no opposite. Changeless is just another word for the Absolute. Its Changeless because nothing affects it.

@Hyperion if i say God is an old man with a beard in the clouds, is that also relatively (un)true, or is that just plain not true ?

You know i said earlier that was just a human analogy to illustrate a point. Point is, there is no such thing as Absolute change. If there were, the Absolute could die just like our bodies. You're the one who keeps spinning in circles. We get it, words are not the Absolute.

Okay man, we can keep going in circles forever. The point is that the world of relative change does not cause any permanent/actual change in the Absolute. Because this would imply that God could be destroyed by his own creation.

But when the movie is done, the screen is as it always was. This is all I've been saying the whole time. Ultimately the Absolute is not affected by the world of relative change. It can't be. Because if it were the case, it would imply that (excuse the human analogy) there is a possibility that God could get fucked up (permanently altered) by it's own creation.

But how is the screen affected by the movie ? After the movie is done, the screen is as it was. Similarly nothingness can't possibly be affected by everythingness. It's not a physical part of reality that can be affected by other physical parts.