Wilhelm44

How does destroying Gaza, or killing Iran's holy leader increase Israel's chances of survival ? They have just created more martyrs and future holy wars, that's all.

@Breakingthewall Saying that Israel was justified in carpet bombing Gaza out of survival concerns is absolute nonsense. Hamas's actions are also coming from survival concerns, it doesn't mean they are therefore necessarily justified. Thats like saying Apartheid was justified because it served the survival concerns of the white people in South Africa.

According to your logic, Israel should have simply nuked Gaza, that would have taught them a more valuable lesson right ? Sighting barbarism from a war that happened 80 years ago as justification for Gaza, is not good analysis.

You being way too glib with the suffering of thousands of innocent women and children.

Not sure how you reached that conclusion. I identify much more with Israel than with Palestine. It's your government that went too far with Gaza, and failure to condemn their actions, contributes to a rise in anti semitism, like it or not. If your enemy holds up babies and women as shields, you don't just shoot the babies and children. You make another plan of attack. Use your intelligence, use your special forces, that's what they there for. Otherwise you're engaged in similar kind of activities than the monsters who did Oct 7.

It seems as if you're trying to justify the Gaza massacre.

Surely you have access to CNN, BBC etc. Gaza looks like it got hit by a nuclear bomb. And ur saying that people are struggling to accept that civilian deaths were caused unintentionally. Come on. Of course ur gonna catch some flack if you're not willing to condemn these actions by your government.

Spot on. Initially it will be hard for most Israelis to fully admit to what happened in Gaza, especially with their own Holocaust history. Even here in South Africa there are still some old dudes who refuse to criticize Apartheid.

You somehow managed to sidestep my main point in that previous paragraph. I am curious, as someone living in Israel, what is your current view on what happened in Gaza ? (I take it you are talking about how the Iranian government are treating their people. Yeah they are monsters. My wife's parents still live in Tehran. Most people there want this government out. I think the anti war sentiment from the left is not so much about not caring about Iran, as it is about being concerned about Trump's utter lawlessness. Seems like a lot of suffering is on the way. Which means that some really good changes will also be on their way.)

Most of the West don't give a shit about what's happening in Africa. Point still stands, being anti genocide don't make you anti semetic. What is a bit strange though is that a significant majority of the Israeli population don't see Gaza as a type of genocide. Me thinks many are still in denial, understandably so.

I think the far left is probably more just anti genocide, rather than actually anti semetic.

If anyone is up for actually using their nuclear weapons, is probably this current Israeli government.