Eternity

I@Alistair Kershaw I've had multiple ego backlashes for having spiritual epiphanies. Lately I've been having a string of them. I've had approximately 3 realizations. Very key ones. I've seen how we are all one. I've seen how we appear as one dream state and can switch dream states and wake up in the midst to another one and then see the alternate just dissolve into nothingness again. My conscious never disappeared or went anywhere while this was happening. But for my "progress" if you want to call it that I've had to endure some psychological and physical backlashes. Then I stumbled on an Alan Watts' youtube (he was a really fabulous philosophy and religion lecture and professor in the hippy era from England) and he talked about what some of the great sages from Buddism and Advaita religions said about rising on the scale of spiritual growth. A Buddist priest said that there was a problem with growth in empathy, kindness, love for humanity and that was that all progress naturally invites in it's opposite. There are opposites to everything. If you look at the Tao which is thought by some to be Budda's work possibly, it lists all the positive growth one can have and for each an opposite which comes from the creation of the positive. Light/Dark, goodness/evil, strength/weakness and on and on. The pinnacle means then that you are also bringing evil into consciousness along with the good. The trick is to balance on the edge of the pinnacle but rest at the point of both good and evil and keep that balance without allowing too much good while keeping a balance so not too much evil prevails. The ultimate creator will always keep the balance just as it does the stars and planets we observe as we live out our material life. He goes into much more detail as he speaks about this principle. The video and I believe the title is something like "Stop the Chasing." That is when I realized that when we think we are benefiting the world by improving on our own characters, we may be doing harm at the same time. This has been a puzzle to me and my assumptions. You can find the video by doing a search on Alan Watts lectures.

@Flowerfaeiry Ok then, you're not sweet. I can deal with that too. Maybe I should have said naive. Would that be more to your liking? lol

@Flowerfaeiry You sound very sweet. But I'm afraid you threw the balance off right at the start, if you already had sex with him before he showed you he was really interested. This is how these toxic relationships get started. Other men won't tell you not to have sex unless they are your brother or some other male relation, because bros won't mess up another bro's free lunch. That's the code of the brotherhood. So you don't seem like you knew him very long? Not long enough to know whether you were more than just a booty call? Yes, guys can just go out with you or get you alone to have sex and then walk away, no attachment. Really you need to let him take the lead but you are the guardian of the key to paradise. If he really wants to see you, he knows how, believe me. But don't go handing him sex on a platter anymore, until you know if it's you he wants or just the use of your free sex service. And see how easily we get twisted and obsessed about a one time sexual encounter? That's where it all goes off the rails because girls want to take the lead which emasculates him. The balance is off kilter and it's an uphill fight to interest him unless he is truly attracted. He has you where he wants you, you're ready and waiting whenever he snaps his fingers. Don't chase him down, don't call, let him be the man next time. You're supposed to be the prey, not the other way around. He's supposed to be pursuing and you just go about your life. You were fine before him, you'll be fine after him. Go out with gfs, take a yoga class just find yourself other interests, write in a journal. Just don't wait by the phone for him to call. He's not the be all and end all in your life.

@SamC Um, SamC, it is possible that Preety was not using the slang term "you're not all that" and just meant that all of those qualities may not apply to you in equal parts, and that's possible for anyone. We all have some parts that dominate over other parts.

Wow, great thoughts on this subject! I'm really impressed with how many brilliant people are on these forums. Some of you framed what I was trying to say from the masculine energy side of yourselves and some of you have framed it from the female energy side of yourselves. I should append what I am communicating, to say I am only referring to the one situation that Leo brought up and not speaking for every woman on the planet. I did say women do this or that. But what I mean is the majority of women react in similar ways given the circumstances. That also depends on what culture you were brought up in. I've lived in Germany for a long period of time. And girls there are not needy at all. I and my husband were engaged there and in Germany singles often go too afternoon dancing at coffee houses. So fiance and I went there since we both liked the music and dance which gave me an education about how the girls there handle meeting a new guy, and man, they were merciless. German women often go to these places in groups and I pity the poor men who tried approaching a woman there. If his line was cheesy and his looks were sub par, there would be a roar of laughter. And a firm no thanks. Done. And he would have to step back because those are the rules. But I'm going off topic. I had one experience when I was dating that was very similar. I only had one such experience because I learned my lesson and never got myself into such awkward circumstances again. The guy was very attractive even handsome and he was driving a stunning Jaguar, my favorite car of all time. So he seemed very polite and nice and when he asked me if I wanted to take a drive in his car, I said yes. We drove around and talked and it was a lovely evening. He had the top down, the wind was blowing through our hair. We went up to a look out point and watched the sun go down. He was very pleasant. So when he asked if I wanted to stop by where he lived at his mother's house I felt it would be safe having his mom around, so I went along with it even though it was a little weird to meet his mom on the very first sort of date. When we got there he introduced his mom and sister and ordered them to leave us and go to their rooms which made me quite uncomfortable. We sat on the couch and watched t.v. but he started moving closer, putting his arm around me and pulling me close. I was only 18 and he was older, but at this point I was figuring out what he was up to. Even though he was good looking, tan and had a smooth approach he, was urging me to relax and lay back. That put me on high alert because he was forcing me back on the couch with his body weight and trying to run his hand up under my skirt while I was fighting him. I could think of nothing to get away gracefully, so I just pushed him off, jumped up and said I would like to go home now. He had to drive me because my car was parked at home. So he did very grudgingly and he went off on me about personal stuff like female hygiene all the way home. When we pulled up to my house, I did not wait. I just jumped out of his car and slammed the door. I didn't have to say don't ever call me. He already knew. He had a game. It was called luring young women in with his charm and his flashy car, and then trying to force them to have sex. It was scary I have to say because I was his sacrificial lamb for the night and I knew I was better than that. I had dates lined up every weekend Friday and Saturday nights. But the thing about his game was that he got too pushy and demanding to the point of making me feel I was in danger and in fact could have easily gotten raped even with his mother in the house. That is the last thing you want to feel with a man. The sexual attraction was gone gone gone and all I could think about was survival. You will never get a girl when you play her that way. Sexual attraction just dies when it is forced and not allowed to blossom. If you pry a flower apart in the budding stage, it just curls up and turns brown. That is how you kill the attraction just as sure if you'd stomped on it and ground it into the dirt. She will no longer have any feeling toward you. You can go home after that, it just isn't going to work.

What a smart group of people Leo has assembled here on his forum. Leo who has attracted a group of advanced, experiencers with those who are less experienced so that we can all help one another has done a brilliant job and raised awareness of mankind which I like most. I enjoyed every comment here and benefited by many of them, some more, some less. But the whole group is top notch. I do want you to succeed Leo although at times I may not sound like it. So, because my husband is a very open person and doesn't hide his opinion from anyone (he is German, born and bred there, and everyone there is opinionated and does not shy away from speaking out honestly and he was quite the chick magnet prior to marriage) I asked him his opinion of your video. What he said was not something I would enjoy telling you. He isn't into spirituality at all. So he puts his unvarnished opinions right out there. He hasn't seen any of your videos either except this one. However, in the mildest terms I can think of he said upon watching your video and dating concepts that you are delusional and at first glance he wouldn't date you either. As I've said here before, it comes down to looks. Women have a certain ideal of who they would like to get with just like men. He said you looked shady, and untrustworthy and your facial features were out of balance and your teeth bothered him (sadly that is an expensive fix). Now this was only one person's opinion, so it won't matter what he said or thinks to you. But women are not oblivious to looks just as men aren't oblivious. And nothing will change that just as I can't expect you or any other man to change his basic operating system to suit mine. Okay, we can all use some help with our looks. I'm not a gorgeous hollywood beauty. And you are not the standard leading movie star type handsome guy. But I use makeup and have my hair styled. I've had a makeup artist teach me which features you can accent and what colors bring out the best features. These weren't expensive fixes. The makeup artist I saw was a coupon deal but he did makeup for our local t.v. news announcers, the hair stylist was a one time deal because I found a cheaper stylist who did the same style for me for about 2/3 less than the other stylist. No I'm not recommending you use makeup, although there are products specifically made for men to appear naturally more handsome like face cream that gives you a tanned look (and I don't mean the orange tan like Trump wears). I'm just saying the more you enhance your looks the more you go up in value to a woman. A good looking man is a status symbol for a woman. She can brag about him to her gfs. It shows she is a woman of value. Women will allow a handsome man many more chances than a plain ordinary guy whose pale head appears to float mysteriously in a black void. Why? Because his value rose when he improved on his looks. Would it make sense for someone selling a house to leave it behind for viewing with a backed up toilet, pealing paint, rusted gutters, cracks in the foundation, termite damage, and a yard with nothing but overgrown weeds? This is where I agree with the market value of in our surrealistic dream world. I'm in no way dissing God here, because the creator of all that is and I and you and all beings are Dreamers of the dreamworld (or worlds if you like) together equally. So in your perspective if you are interesting and funny and doing well in a popular internet platform, that is enough. But in fact it's only average enough. The cornerstone, in the dating world is looks. The rest are add ons. So you are now trying to sell this house of yours without the foundation it needs. The price of your house, to you in the going market seems to sync up. But to the average buyers it isn't worth the money to accept a house with a cracked foundation, rusting gutters, a yard that needs work and an exterior that needs a paint job etc. They'd rather pay a bit more for a house that won't require a complete over haul for something with more value built in. Your buyers, Leo, are women. You aren't a lost cause by any means. But when I say you've gotten ahead with what you offer in your market, i.e. dating and sex, wouldn't it be less work and more fun to have women handing you their phone numbers or falling into your arms unsolicited? I can 99.9% guarantee that women would not be making lame excuses (what you like to label "games") for why they can't sleep with you. We are born with the intuition to feel, to have a sense about what you are trying to hide. Why do kids say their moms have eyes in the back of their heads? Because we have an intuitive feel for what they are up to. We have to, to protect our babies. If you want to label our intuition BS, be my guest. I see where this Meta philosophy can be a great "out" for less than ethical ideals. If a woman is highly sexually attracted, you won't have to jump through hoops. Which is why I still say, I don't believe the girl in your example was attracted sexually. Some women will give up and give in because you have made yourself a pest, maybe even an entertaining pest, so they tolerate you because they had nothing else going on. But don't flatter yourself that they are all sexually attracted even if they think you somewhat witty and go along with your little charade pretending you are more interesting than they actually think. It's flattering to her for someone to show an interest, so why not encourage him? But when you stray into badgering territory then you are suddenly persona non grata. And I still say if you had actually grabbed her and cornered her in the bathroom, in my state of Washington at least, she could have cried rape on you for non-consensual sex. You didn't have the foundation you needed for your value to be high enough to her in this case. It is the egoic mind that requires you to defend your position to the bitter end. I am dreaming this now along with you, and ego has been quite skillful at convincing me to pound my point home. But I'm going to shut my pie hole instead now. I've said too much all ready.

My husband was a smoker and I didn't mind it when we were in Europe where everyone smokes. But moving back to the states did it for me. We started our family and that's when I started to hate it. Our son began having coughing spasms and I was sure it was the smoking that did it. He became motivated because of that and agreed to go to the garage to smoke. Then he had to go outside at work to smoke and he hated that since he's a workaholic. So he finally got motivated. He bought a program to quit smoking which included a CD he could listen to on the way to work. A lot of it was hypnosis mixed with aversion therapy. He followed it faithfully and it worked. He'd been smoking 35 years. Anyway, people like your dad who stubbornly hang onto a habit are actually good candidates for reverse psychology. Start giving him props for the habit. Tell him you've been thinking of taking the habit up. Tell him he's going to be one of those cool old guys, like mafia with their hats and their cigarettes smoking outside a restaurant somewhere plotting some murder or other. Anything positive you can think of about it is what you need to say. I'm sure he loves you, so if you imply it might be effecting your lungs, but wtf, you're in an age group that doesn't get the covid, right, he might start thinking seriously about being a stubborn, selfish old sob. But keep in mind the more you dis him for it, the more determined he will be to hang on. He has to be motivated before he tries to quit or it won't work. You could mention casually that you guess quitting won't work for him anyway because he just wouldn't be strong enough to do it. Give him that as an excuse and he will get competitive and motivated as well to prove he can quit.

Leo you are a very smart guy, and I appreciate how much effort you put into helping others. I hate to criticize, but I have a different perspective than you on the your dating experience as you describe it. And yes, I know I wasn't there. But you assumed said girl was into the possibility of having sex. Had you pulled her into the bathroom, she may very well have said you raped her. The bottom line was she was not interested in you sexually. She wasn't playing games. Women in general (except maybe gang girls) dislike conflict. We are not wired to just flat out tell others the bad news. And the bad news was that you did not turn her on from the get go. Something was off to her. This is not stuff women calculate or even do consciously. We are wired to be selective. Nature intends that a women mate only with a compatible partner i.e. one that she could bond to so that her babies will have a stable father figure who is going to be there for his children. There is nothing, believe me, that is calculated in this. Women are not thinking "ok, this isn't what I want so I'll just string him along." They are thinking "this guy is trying to pressure me into sex (which we all cannot stand btw) and he is now the last guy I would consider having sex with." Since she was from out of town and leaving and because you told her what you wanted exactly, she knew this was going to be a one night stand she'd regret. It is totally just her way of telling you what she feels without having to injure your pride or manhood. My reaction to your tricks etc. probably would have been the same. But as you pressed her and tried to corner her, she was desperately trying to signal "this is a no go" and furthermore you becoming pushier, she was thinking how do I get out of this situation and thanking her lucky stars that she had a roommate which made it easier to wiggle her way out. I don't tell you this to be unkind. But I just want to give you an honest woman's perspective on this. And if you don't believe me, I'm sure there are videos from women who have reported being raped. They have plenty to say about deceitful men. Even while you try to be honest, you are being deceitful and we can smell it a mile away. Our wiring is set to sound an alarm in our heads and warn us you are not to be trusted. A woman cannot feel sexual unless she feels safe and secure. Some women will fake it and go against their better instincts, but they will drop you at the first opportunity. There are certain components that women need to come together in the package you present (meaning you) the first time you meet. It's like a first job interview. She will ask you questions you don't even know are going to heavily impact your chances with the woman and yes that includes sex. It's very complicated and when you ask a woman what she wants in a man, she may mentally wander around trying to figure it out and may even change subjects because she doesn't really know. It's all unconscious and programed into her subconscious and you can't change it no matter how many tricks you apply unless you have the key to her subconscious. So there you have it. I'll get off my soapbox now and you carry on. I like the majority of your videos btw.

I think Rendheaven pretty much summed it up. You've been giving these women confusing messages. Waiting until they show some interest and then backing off sends a signal that you don't want to pursue a close relationship with her, which then completely turns her off and puts you in her safe zone, the friend zone. Never turn off the charm just she's showing interest. She has no more wish to have her heart stomped on than you do. So if she's showing interest, ask her out. Let her know you enjoy her company. Bring her a rose (one pink or red rose is equal to a whole bouquet in a woman's mind), think about what she has said to you. She's dropping clues about things she likes. Let her know you picked up on them. If Starbuck's mocha is her thing or chai tea then bring her a cup. As far as the idea of dating a whole herd of women at once, somewhere along the line you are going to have to juggle woman and that gets tricky as well as forces you into dishonestly. A woman who is romantically attracted does not want to hear that she's only one of many. That will shut things down pretty fast and isn't taking her needs or concerns into account. Dishonesty btw is allowing the ego to lead you around by the nose. These games of playing on the side of the ego will short circuit your spiritual progress. Jesus said you can't serve two masters. Either you become schackled to one or to the other but you cannot serve both. Jesus said quite a few wise things. As Leo pointed out you would not base a business on just one customer. Botoh, if you are offering deals to everyone and hiding those other deals so your prize customer doesn't find out, you are liable to lose that special customer as well as your reputation of being a fair and trustworthy business leader. So take your chances. I hope whatever you do will work out well for you.

@freejoy Nothing really happens when we die. It is like walking through a door or turning a corner. You may not temporarily see them, but they do not feel that they are gone. The first thing they will tell you if they could is that they are not dead, Consciousness does not die. Awareness is an eternal quality. You will see them again. In many NDEs people are reunited with those they were close to and celebrate together. Children are seen as playing with other children in beautiful fields of colorful flowers. Everything is a paradise for them. For your dream of loss of a loved one, I sympathize with you. But when you wake from this dream, you will see whatever you saw in your dream is not real and one day you will be reminded of that. You may have signs that will remind you your baby is still with you. All will be well because it is all ready well.

The expression "chipping away at my belief patterns" sounds like you believe there is anything to chip a the away at. In other words you are trying to use the ego method of firmly believing what it tells you, that you are a flawed human being (body/mind) and so you constantly back slide. What you aren't seeing is that you, your real SELF which is the Godhead is not a body/mind and does not have to struggle against imagined flaws. That is all it is just a story that we accept from ego. Think of all our experiences as the dreams we have at night, all of it is made up, and as soon as we wake up, we see it was just made up and doesn't effect us at all. The best book that eradicated my out of control temper and selfishness with no effort was "A Course in Miracles" which is still available in print. All I was looking for was to love others more. But the ego cannot help you to know what it takes. The ego will send you on a wild goose chase every time. The "voice" for God sees deeply into your spirit or soul. It simply lifts your consciousness above the imagined fray and after a while you notice your imaginary flaws just drop away. They aren't there anymore, or one phrase or sentence strikes you suddenly and you see yourself the way others might. Then you drop that habit like a hot potato. But the entire thing is written in loving acceptance. The first few hundred pages, it was almost like reading a foreign language. It is in English but the phrasing is odd. I figured I would just read it anyway and if I thought it was hogwash at the end I would just forget it. But in the end it was like I needed and wanted to read it over and over again. So for the next 5 years I read it over and over. I still do, but not as frequently as I used to, but it is still eye opening more every time I do read it. It is not a religion though in some cases it refers to a Bible phrase in order to correct the translation. I was through with religion when I finally picked it up and I resisted reading it for fear it was some kind of cult book. It was anything but. I highly recommend it. Even things you don't understand at first become clearer as you continue reading.

Leo has a list of resources on one of his main catagories above. Try those first. I have a few others I recommend, if you are looking for more.

So you are afraid of the void. But since there is only the one and no one and nothing else why do you fear yourself? There is no separate place where you can disappear to out of the All Mighty's awareness and you are that. The awareness and the light that illuminates every thing. It's not a separate thing from you. And eternal love does not just drop into a black hole somewhere. It is infinite and always wherever you are. You are made of it. It is the life force that flows through you. Before I read "A Course in Miracles" the pathway to peace, I had read the Bible often and had a fear of having a Jesus experience that would end my life. It was made clear in The Course that what is another's path is not ours, and our pathway is ours. This pathway is to find infinite love and melt together into it as one being.. And furthermore, God, you, are love and would always love your creations (including you). So that is where the pathway leads and not into some nameless void that doesn't exist.

"What the Bleep Do We Know?" on you tube is about how your thoughts change your world, why we are here, what is reality and quantum physics.

@lmfaoI've been in your shoes and it was the worst time of my life. It was like a very deep very dark hole and when I wanted to climb out I couldn't. I literally had to will myself to get out of bed, like one foot at a time and then to sit up and then to try to think of what I was going to do next. I managed to find some friends who would go walking with me and that was one way I got out of bed. Anyway for me it was a PTSD thing. I would wake up at night shaking all over at some god-awful sense of doom that wouldn't go away. And all of the "what-ifs" that went on and on. Eventually I went to the psych doctor and he gave me anti-depressants which helped me climb out. But much later on I discovered Eckhardt Tolle through the Oprah Winfrey show and he is the best anxiety calmer I've ever experienced. He slows down your racing thoughts and horrible doomed feeling by speaking slowly and explaining how to find peace and how the ego plays into your fears, and how to make that voice of doom go away through listening to Truth ("You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"). He has lots of videos on you tube addressing anxiety and depression. Listen to them and watch until you feel you are calmed down. My brother-in-law is a psychologist and he says it's about burning a different neurological pathway in the brain that doesn't default to worry, depression and anxiety. This I have found to be true.

@Enlightenment You and others have free will of course and can judge as you like. What changed my mind, or rather woke me up from the judgemental state the ego prefers, was reading his life story written by a somewhat skeptical journalist who found in Hawkins general demeanor no evidence of being some sort of con artist or scammer. It's a short but interesting story of a seeker of Truth.

When I first realized this, that I was alone, it was hard to swallow at the time. But recently while I was contemplating another book I read the name of which I can't remember, a joyful realization came over me. It was clear to me that God is Life living itself, being life as it plays with energetic forces and creates and loves all it creates. This is us, you and I! And I can't help the joy I feel being able to enjoy and create and love. What better way to spend eternity?

Flower, just do what Ramana Maharshi did with it. Just dwell silently in it. Let it radiate through you to all you meet and to all your surroundings.

If Dr. Hawkins is speaking of integrity here by way of using measurements, I can see how he has scored Ben Shapiro over the left. It is not that I like or agree with Ben Shapiro. I don't. He is much too far right for my taste. But, integrity wise, he does stick to his views impeccably. And anyway how is Dr. Hawkin's method inferior to the colored spiral method of rating what level individuals or societies are on? It's all very similar imho. One method uses guessing and rating by colors and the other by observing and using spiritual qualities to rate on a scale. This is just pointing out that we don't know everything we think we do about everybody. Often times years after the death of an admired personage, things come out about them that were not known at the time they lived. Look at some of the sports coaches and stars and big names in Hollywood who it turns out were secretly scum bags the whole time they were celebrated. Hawkins wasn't making up the answers to who had more integrity than others. He was just using a method which seemed to provide him with a way to question his assumptions and receive responses. I also thought it was rather airy fairy at first, but when reading his explanation as to how he learned about and tested these methods it sounds a bit more scientific. Especially when he tested questions using persons who did not speak his or our language using no translation, and yet the results were what we would all commonly expect. It still seems a little iffy to use kinesiology, but we have no idea how it might evolve in the next 100 or 500 years. Someone may discover it's the real deal when searching for truth.

Dr. David R. Hawkins was at one time a psychiastrist after experiencing several mystical experiences during boyhood and teens. With a prosperous psychiatric clinic going, he suddenly felt an urge to leave his practice and move to Sedona. So he borrowed an old pickup held together with bailing wire and duct tape, left all his worldly goods to his wife and drove from NY to Sedona. There he staid at an abandoned ranch owned by a friend. He barely had money and sold wood he gathered around the ranch. He would attend as many spiritual group meetings as he could and borrowed as many spiritual books as he could. He forgot about eating most of the time but occasionally would be given food by people from these groups. One day reading one of these books, he forgot he was supposed to be going through a door and instead walked through the wall suffering no injuries. He just wasn't conscious of a so called solid object in his way. There are lot of sychronistic experiences that happened while he was there. Eventually he became a lecturer and grew in popularity. Tho he has passed away several years ago, his widow maintains his you tube videos and sales of his series of books. Two of the best are "Power vs. Force" and "The Eye of the Eye." Here is a sample of one of his many lectures on you tube:

This does it for me:

Rupert Spira comments on whether psychedelics help you find who you are:

Perhaps the word "achieve" isn't quite the right word. But I couldn't think of another at the moment. Some people would consider it achievement, something that they work toward. Personally I don't. As there is no one outside of the I AM state, then there is no one to achieve anything. I use "we" because I am inviting everyone who is interested in the subject as I am to be included. It's very hard to speak about anything that pertains to the relative reality we appear to be living in while speaking of an absolute state at the same time.

When I went through a really bad breakup some years ago, I found a book on how to get over it. The one important thing I came away with was that you give yourself time to grieve but you also set a limit on your grieving time. You keep certain mementos or photos, unless you threw them away, in a box and at a certain time each day you have a grieving time for yourself. You must do this at the same time each day. Get out all your mementos and photos and let your grief just flow. Cry or scream or beat up some pillows, basically full out rage and do this for 2 hours, even when you are tired of it. Eventually the whole thing becomes really really tiresome, and when you just can't keep up your grieving, it's time to get rid of the mementos and the feelings of grief will be sated. The rest of your non-grieving time can be taken up with other activities. You were an individual before your ex came into your life and you can be an individual again now that your ex is gone.

@Husseinisdoingfine Very funny Hussein. God does not mettle in our little dream world. Would you ask the principle of electricity if it voted? God is the I AM, the cause of all, not a person. If you haven't yet, there are translated versions of the Tao on you tube you should listen to. The Tao te Ching is an eye opening document written in Chinese from an ancient Chinese sage who lived mostly alone as a sort of recluse. It makes it quite clear that the cause of all and creator of all includes every aspect of all. So when God created good, it necessitates its opposite, evil. Good and it's opposite go hand in hand. It seems as if God is the causal force of both. But God is simply creating one good, and it's opposite automatically appears. You cannot ask God for only what would please you. The universe is always balanced. So picking and choosing is not an option. But you can raise your own spiritual vibration and help the overall world vibration up to the spiritual level of that of Jesus. Then we all benefit.