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Can you kindly teach me? Can you show me some path? More specifically, is there anything more I can do than sitting quietly and watching the mind?

@kieranperez Of course the ultimate awakening is just the waking and nothing else. I have had a glimpse but I can't call it fourth at will. Paul Burton is someone on the web that gets them frequently apparantly - paulbrunton.org. The glimpse is absolute, no doubt. The waking up shocks are completely different to the glimpses. The glimpses are calming and quenching and the waking up is like catching a gasp of air whilst drowning in thoughts. I'm sorry for the judgement but Leo Gura seems to be developing the mind to the extremity. We all have to develop the mind before it can become nothing or whatever. He may even be able to almost reach to that 'picture' of the glimse - but almost I'd say. I'd had many times the picture almost develop but it doesn't reach the salient point that only I know it did initially. When the picture completes, you finish. There are ways of the heart and many others to enlightenment too ya know - not all is zeroing the mind. And Leo Gura is on dangerous territory when he says we are stuck permanently unless we change the brain. Isn't everything brain? Everything behaves intelligently and just by looking, any system abstract or real can be turned into a brain. We are hitting a block when we start leeching the genetics and health and chemicals. Truth is in lack.

Brains wired for psychedelics! People too logical, which is OCD tendencies, strong and consistent self-talk developed early in childhood and just a general way of navigating life through comparisons, deductions and other such stuff form a good amount of landings and orbits in the mind that help them live. Psychedelics may be very effective here. There is a kind of people that are driven by strong believes, faith and values inculcated in their happy homes, and these people may not be so utterly driven by the mind alone to be able to have psychedelic effect. When you flow with the heart, how can psychedelics be so prime? I am sorry, I am skeptical of psychedelics.. I am looking for truth in everyday life, not enlightenment. If someone can show me the way directly or a nice plan I can follow to escalate and transcend.. cool. Using X-Factor drugs and then I'll see the truth is a bit dissuading. Buddha gave a nice plan that you follow and transcend using everyday activities - albeit living as a bhikshu and not in society. These big people were walking GODs manifesting the universe with there bare nods and words. Time disappeared in their presence and so did any sequences to events, any memories, and pure being flowed. There are traditionally degrees to enlightenment with some well recognised checkpoints such as the checkpoint of nirvana, no more lives and deaths, and the checkpoint of abhaya, no more fear, and the checkpoint of being a god where the manifestation of events seems to originate from the person. Buddha, Mahavira, Nanak, Krishna, Jesus seem to be that. Very few reach this last checkpoint as humans. Most don't even reach the checkpoint where they can be a Guru and spread the magic. In this Kalayuga, there are supposed to be no gurus, or very few gurus, and no GODs. That's my conception. Even if one is nirvana, it's hard to know without a guru. A nirvana can't necessarily teach others the way but a bunch of fellas like us can discuss amongst ourselves whatever we know of the path. And can we kindly stop with the word perfection and concept neutralising or whatever. Lets use the 'I' as far as we can take it, constant fighting the 'I' may work in the caves in Tibet but we are living in a busy civilisation. Don't forget, the 'I' was the first awakening when we were small.

Sorry my post wasn't very high quality. I don't doubt your realisation. I don't know what the logical mind is, and I am inspired by yourself. But I have a thing to add, and I am not playing the nuance game just saying it out right as is with every mistake intact, because that's a way too you know - not always trying to find the 'I' in the words, just saying outright, with all the mistakes intact. And I'd add that there is a logical if you call for it, and none if you don't. Scalded by logic, the correct and incorrect, the right and wrong, the logical and illogical, the becauses, ifs, so-s, thens, one may be tempted to forget it completely, but hey, it's still kinda useful for who knows what.. I have learnt to be logical again. I don't put much stock in it anymore as it's not the only way for me to interact with the world anymore. I am not enlightened to what I consider enlightened, and I don't care anymore. My thirst for truth is dim at the moment and I just wanna see some stuff, experience some states, just "look around". Congratulations for your intensity really. Fair biddings on your journey, or lack thereof.

Thoughts aren't lies, the logical mind needs anchor points and interconnections to navigate, thus words and concepts. Lies upon lies create complexity, complexity creates pain and the pain creates a pressure and movement to a new state. One can create a problem out of nothing and thus also create a complimentary problem free state where one might want to produce motion to. The strain created in the problem resolves one into the new state. This may be why you're calling your original state as always god and always nothingness and the present state becomes a complexity that must resolve to being god or nothingness. I have a hyperactive throat chakra and when I really wish to push it, I create a storm of thoughts, words and concepts out of nothing in a real world situation and with that storm are created huge influxes of fear, motivation and innumerable qualities that one can float around in. It's consuming but it works and I've held very many successful conversations and negotiations this way with no real context but only floating in thoughts.

Is this real? People are enlightened here? I had a series of experiences 4 years ago where at it's peak I'd get a glimpse and then I'd cool off and be satisfied - the glimpse would quench. So, I'm real skeptical because when that image in the glimpse was, I was not, I wouldn't even recall the image but would feel it's effect on my whole body and become real calm. As an aftereffect my kundalini is awoke, throat chakra is hyperactive - mostly overclocked when I'm strained by work or just plain thinking, and I can feel all the chakras and call them to activity upon will. But that's all, I can't call fourth the visions - and had only one more vision in the last four years, and I have no powers or wisdom, I can concentrate and visualise mathematics and engineering too well though - can make mechanisms or systems in my mind and then just run them - i.e. bend my mind into a machine - that's how I see any concepts and theories as doing anyways. So are you guys really enlightened and know?