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@Leo Gura A question I have had for a while .. do you think Sadhguru’s inner engineering, hatha yoga, and shoonya (also a kriya designed to experience nothingness) will give the same benefits as the kriya yoga you speak of? I do want to go slower and safer (sadhguru’s way) but I also do want to experience the benefits of the hardcore kriya yoga you speak of

This exact thing happened to my friend. He just took it as a learning experience that you can get wisdom from within and you don’t always have to read and learn this kind of stuff from teachers. You have a lot of inner wisdom.

also yeah you are probably in a victim mentality right now. But that is okay, you don’t have to judge yourself for that. We all fall into that. you’re emotions are just taking over right now. The victim mentality will pass in time. Just stick to your routine. I’d just be aware and mindful of your victim mentality, as best as you can

Bro I completely feel you. Right now your emotions are clouding you but like someone said “this too shall pass” I would find something to ground yourself in. A small routine to start off with that you can ground yourself in, do that for a few months and build on top of that. You are going to need a lot of patience too. Also if it feels like you are alone in this, trust me you are not. Just know that all of us are going through this. So have comfort in that fact. Some practical suggestions: 1) Try a life coach. I am working with Emerald right now and she helped me practically get through my toughest times. She charges a very affordable price too. 2) Ground yourself in a small daily routine. Especially get out in nature. And baby steps. Just give your routine full involvement no matter how small it is. And don’t expect results, just give your routine your heart. 3) If you are having trouble finding friends, do what I did. Go online and look for them, you can find communities and people in your area. Facebook is good for this. I personally have made a lot of my friends through tinder lol as weird as that sounds, but it works. 4) For income, maybe you can do a business with quick cash turnover. Try looking into retail arbitrage. I did this too and it works. Basically you can go to big box stores, buy discounted items for like a dollar and sell it for 15 (example) on amazon. The reason its almost gauranteed is because you can see how well the item is doing before buying it at walmart (through the amazon app looking at amazon sales rank). People have built six figure incomes on this, and you don’t need much capital to start, and it can get u money fast.

Now I am a fan of Sadhguru but I don’t want to just blindly accept everything he says. The man spits much truth but I mean this just really got me thinking. What do you guys think and react to this. A wise sage is saying that by having many physical partners every weekend, you are damaging the body’s memory and setting yourself up for misery. If he is right then can you help me understand why that is the case? He is saying “you take in wild amounts of memory and create physical (memory) confusion” when you are having sex with many people or getting physical with many people. He calls this body memory that picks up on anything it touches, and remembers it as Runana bandha. But then he goes on to say that really its not just sex that he is singling out. On a deeper level you want to keep your body’s memory as simple as possible to let your inner intelligence be the dominating force in your life. This is why he only eats one meal, eats clean, doesn’t touch too many people, etc.

@Salvijus Just when I thought I heard 90% of his videos haha, this is gold. Thanks brotha

These days during meditation, I get really deep in just one minute of doing it. And a lot of fears and weird psychedelic type experiences arise too. Whereas when I do Isha yoga, I am immediately more grounded, emotionally stable, have slow breathing. Even from other people’s reports on yoga and meditation, and reading and watching 100 testimonials on Isha yoga, and many on meditation, it seems that Isha yoga is up up and up (rarely negative experiences) whereas meditation is up, down, then more up, then down, then a new peak up. (many cases, not all say this) But, Why do the progressions of joy seem different in both cases, because from what I understand both meditation and yoga involve spiritual purification. And is it true that Isha yoga is just up up and up, without any downs? i enjoy Isha yoga more than meditation though for some reason, and inclined to stack many more hours in the day with yoga. Based on my experiences, do you think I should I continue with yoga or meditation?

@Salvijus Hmm so Im guessing Shoonya or Bhava Spandana would activate Sushumna. Or is there a secret program that he offers thats not on any website ?

I really needed to hear this. For those going through tough times, let this report inspire you to keep going with this work.

I did some research on the forum and I don’t see that many people posting their experiences with isha yoga and inner engineering specifically. I’m taking inner engineering on Nov 15th, and looked through Sadhguru’s various offerings and it seems like 5-10 years on his path can seem very promising. I’ve sort of constructed a vision of dedicating myself to it, travelling to India and Tennesse, Himalayas, etc. Tons of testimonials on youtube authentically share the profound change on their lives with Inner engineering. What do you guys think of it? How would it compare to some of the other yoga or meditative techniques you have learned from Leo or someone else? Also @Leo Gura I did remember you calling it weak sauce lol, but is that in comparison to the kriya yoga you put on your book list or weak sauce in comparison to many of the techniques, say, that you put on the start guide on your website. I am inclined towards a more gradual, not so potent, pleasant way up a staircase (as sadhguru put it) to a non dual experience, and this seems like a good fit for me. Any insights on Isha yoga would be appreciated

@Salvijus Oh man Im getting super excited for this. I used to be thirsty for spirituality, but recently I’ve been turned off. I want to reconnect with that love, adventure and bliss. Your words are truly inspirational. I hope we can share our experiences with each other and the forum on Isha yoga

@Leo Gura Oh woops my bad for the misunderstanding, well thats a relief tho haha because I found the online pretty weak sauce too @Slade Wow that is inspiring, is the one in Tennesse worth going to compred to a local one near me would you say? @Salvijus I’ve read most of your posts on the forum about Isha yoga. you seem to be talking about it the most. i learned a lot from you. Would you say this can replace my meditation habit. Right now I want to quit meditation because it is getting so deep that its scary to my ego. I would want a more adventurous, fun, process like Isha yoga.

@Leo Gura And she was living in the 1900s. I can only imagine the struggle people had thousands of years ago with trying to awaken, or recieving guidance of any kind personal development wise

@Leo Gura While we are talking about Suzanne Segal and dark knight, could you explain what she did wrong, or how others can prevent a hellish situation like hers. So far from reading her biography, it seems having a strong theoretical foundation is key. But why does she report no self, and absolute infinity as so hellish? Did she not surrender to it? Did she not know that she was supposed to surrender to it, fighting it, as she did not know what this force was? Or is it that its just a rare case scenario that happens to 1:1000 on this path or something like that that cant be avoided. The main thing I’d wanna know is what are some ways to prevent such hellish experiences like hers.

Great insights guys, guess facing the fear head on is more effective then

These days I can think of atleast 2 specific fears that come up in the form of various monkey mind thoughts and physical body sensations. Since these fears are there for a long time, they tend to delude me sometimes affecting the course of my actions in life. Anyways, since I want to erradicste these fears and deal with them, would “letting go” whenever a fear based thought arises, help deal with the fear overall in leaving the body and mind or does it just temporarily relax you. I usually tend to sit down and face the fear head on allowing it to arise into consciousness (Leo’s dealing with strong negative emotions video). After seeing leo’s body awareness video, and experiencing immediate effects, I want to apply this “24/7” but also was wondering if this is effective in facing fears head on, and erradicating them over time.

Is it scary, terrifying, scary and beautiful, just beautiful, or depends how you want to see it. Do you have a choice how you would react, or should I just “explore” and find out for myself. Does it happen in like an instant death, or like a slow death? Once there is ego-death, will the ego continue fighting and there would be a lot of suffering? I don’t expect all these questions to be answered, I just want to get a sense of how this journey unfolds. Can I predict at all, or is it completely u known. Sometimes when I am meditating and boundaries are dissolving and weird shit is happening, I accept, allow, love, or welcome whatever comes up. But other times my ego screams. I don’t get it. This might partly be my fear talking, but also I would like to know what I am getting myself into with this work and if it would be too much for me to handle, than ill get other areas of my life sorted out until I am ready for meditation again

@cetus56 That really is terrifying and beautiful. Great metaphor

@Leo Gura I re-call a point in childhood where truth mattered a lot to me. Now its a lot about having a good life, positive emotions, etc. Now I’ll try to cultivate the desire for truth again, maybe by just starting to look around me with wonder and curiosity about what is going on, and go from there. I have tried cultivating the desire for truth, but after experiencing dark night stuff my mind had second thoughts about this whole journey. But if wanting to know the Truth is the key component here, then I will make that a priority.

@Leo Gura If psychedelics aren’t an option for me, what would you say is the next best alternative to seeing the “motivation people have behind this work”. Would shamanic breathing every week suffice?

@Nahm I know you’re not certain but just seeing how theres many options to tackle this challenge is quite reassuring on this hero’s journey, Im sure even love based practices, or seeking guidance from gurus might also make this journey more smooth. Another point may be that those who seek hard, despite the pain and suffering do so because they have seen the amazing aspects and beauty of non-duality making them more willing to accept the costs like the dark night of the soul, depersonalization, etc. and the pain becomes a non-issue compared to the beauty @Sashaj In my personal experience, what I mean by depersonalization is the sense, for a specific time period, that I am not located in the body, sense of self is expanding, And I see the body even, and try to get back into this egoic body and mind, but I have to move around and distract myself to get back into the body and mind. Its one thing to feel like boundaries are sort of collapsing, and that can feel blissful, but i see a depersonalization episode as more nihilistic sometimes, and accompanied with a lot of fear and screaming monkey mind, etc.

@emind Oh man, I feel every word you said. I just had a mini depersonalization episode just now after I thought the worst was over months ago. I know Leo is saying to do psychedelics but honestly, if meditation scares me I don’t know how I would do psychedelics. My current game plan is just doing meditation, experiencing those bliss moments, and other stuff, and when I feel the depersonalization coming, I just run from it again and again. I don’t know whats to come in the near or late future though. I feel pretty demotivated too on this path, because this shit can fuck with you. My next hope is to look into sadhguru’s programs as he says they give a very solid foundation for enlightenment work. Currently, Upa yoga is helping with immediate healing if you want to try that. I have a feeling, not sure, but doing strong practices (like paying attention to the breath or mindfulness meditation with labeling) can be too much for the ego sometimes

I know this forum is a great place to ask questions, but I have way too many that I hold back from asking most as I don’t want to spam the forum. Questions related to dealing with fears, existential fear, whether my ego can retreat at any moment to go back into “normal mode” during a deep meditation session, courage, meaninglessness, dark night of the soul, etc. I recently have been dealing with a lot of ups and downs from consciousness work and feel the immediate need for answers, and yes I know I can just surrender to the fears and much of this post is fear related but it helps to have a roadmap and practical exercises, mindsets, advice, etc. And I have been lost and confused in business for example, but its easy to find answers online to get me out of my confusion. With spiritual work, the roadmap and specific problems don’t seem to be addressed much online.

When I got high, my intent was to become more conscious of reality. At first I was attempting to deconstruct my beliefs, questioning everything and going deep into that. I was also practicing letting go meditation while also seeing the intelligence of reality using leo’s exercise. And that made me really fascinated about reality. But then I decided to do some meditation and focusing on my breath. I placed my attention on the breath and got into my body. Eventually it got to a point where it felt like I was dying, and absolutely couldn’t handle it so i moved around to distract myself and went to my phone. I thought it was gone, but as I looked around me, its like it was just sucking me in. If i was still, it would suck me in. So i had to move. Meaninglessness sucked me in and i was just in absolute fear for hours and hours. I was even questioning my own existence and seeing meaninglessness everywhere. My body was also vibrating so much. I couldn’t go to sleep because if my body was still it would enter into a very meditative state that id feel like im losing myself again. Now it has been a day. I have been in bed all day. Im depressed and so scared. Scared to meditate. Scared to feel into the emotions, because yes it would make the emotions dissapate, but that would also make me more calm. And the more calm I get, the more it feels like im dying. I feel so disoriented right now. I don’t know if anything would ever make me happy now. I don’t know if I am cut out for consciousness work if it would bring such horrific terror. I have had fear in my life, but nothing like this. This was terror. Even today if im still, the terror comes back. So far from what I understand this is a mix of cannabis paranoia and facing the fear of death Sorry for this being so long. I just need some help. I don’t know who to turn to or where to look for advice. I tried looking many places and talking to many people. Before this life was going so normal. I was productive, happy, etc.

@student Do I have to have these experiences again? I mean, like aren’t there many paths up the mountain? What if I chose a different path up the mountain. One that is more gradual, a slow surrender, maybe more pleasant and loving with love type practices? Can these terrifying experiences be avoided? What if this spiritual path is more pleasant after I have plugged in many holes in Maslow’s hierarchy and moved up a few stages in Spiral dynamics. Also, One thing I noticed that made the surrender even harder was that I was surrendering on a drug vs sober. Reason being, on a drug it came too fast and too much for me to handle. Plus on weed, many times I don’t know what makes sense. On weed my mind also enters heavy paranoia.