Phenomenon

@Axiomatic I know you're listening. It's hitting the back of your subconscious. It'll take time though, and the more you block it out a heck of a lot of time, like trauma time. I'm done here anyhow. Have a good one.

^ Like I said @Emerald . Wow I'm good at psychological analysis. He's not able to escape the simplifications and model something a little more nuanced and complex. He's an experience based person, he needs to be shown more examples. So have compassion for him to this end. He relies on autobiography more than modelling, which explains a lack of adaptation in this conversation. So to you Emerald, you have to learnt o expand your understanding as to why various breakdowns in communication might occur, its not just because the person is "narrow minded" there's various reasons for that from brain profile to ideological conditioning. @Axiomatic I have you pegged bro. But listen to my words, I've already observed your empathy, you're just not yet sure how to bring all your abilities together. That takes practice. I'm doing you a favour not a disservice. Once you understand that masculinity doesn't equal lack of connection and empathy and you really take that as a firm practical understanding that you can personally implement you'll improve greatly as a human. Start slow. It takes practice and time to balance those parts of our being, you're so used to creating a line between masculinity and connection that you're confused as to how to create the latter with the former or how to do the former with the latter.

@Emerald I wouldn't bother. He's just brainwashed by his own nonsense. Eventually he'll step out from it otherwise he wouldn't be on this forum, there's a deeper calling he has that he hasn't been completely open with. You have to remember that you have no idea his age, etc... His brain is also subliminally influenced to come across as "tough" because his picture is of a fighter by the name of Khabib Nurmagomedov. It gives him a sense of empowerment and right now he feels empowered to disempower. He has empathy, but he doesn't have enough examples of masculinity + connection, so he's just rinse and repeat learned to focus on the former because he has fears around the latter.

What you need to remember is not to turn mechanics into something that's representative of the whole terrain. All you're talking about here is masculinity. Big deal. Well done, you made that connection doesn't take many brain cells to figure out but you men are so brainwashed that you've formed the perception that somehow masculinity equals a lack of connection. Masculinity doesn't equal zero connection nor does it equal a lack of empathy. If you lack empathy, that's less intelligence you have, not more. "Empathy makes you weak" says a brainwashed mind, yes if you don't know how to manage your emotions... Management of emotions is a masculine trait, mismanagement or narrowness, a lack of masculinity in light of leaders in general having higher empathy, especially cognitive empathy, than subordinates. So get with it. Stop with the nonsense. Start trying to understand each other more. So what some of the guys here are sucking at here is masculinity + connection. This conversation shows it. The men here tighten up though when the females don't sympathise with them by admitting their attraction to masculinity. But, the men need to be aware of the compensatory mechanisms they're employing when they notice the women not taking ownership there.

@Axiomatic What underlying premise are you running on? The same to you @Leo Gura . Are you saying that she doesn't genuinely want to have a relationship built on love and connection? And this applies to all women? Because that's the broad generalisation that it sounds like your assertions are based on.

@Preety_India Just gotta realise how easy it is to become cynical with all the things us men have coming at us. It's tough to remain open minded to alternate possibilities. If you have compassion for our cynicism you'll have less of a need to judge us and if men have compassion for their own cynicism they'll find it easier to re-condense their experiences under a more fine tuned lens.@Axiomatic Lines of best fit are not the only lines that are the "lines of best fit", its difficult to escape confirmation bias on either side of the argument because culture doesn't encourage the development of the best parts of the brain, especially when what we believe serves our dick. This is analogous to being a spiral dynamics problem.

Go to the 27:10 min/sec mark That's when the big waterworks start. Concerning Teal Swan's ex.

@Leo Gura This is also her other boyfriend.... kind of the opposite of what you're referring to here.