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She seems to have edited that line. I sense uneaseness from Natasha and resentment building up within her.

I can sense something building up between some guys on the forum and Natasha. This reminds me of all the heated conversations between Emerald and Etheral Cat vs Leo. We probably should start a conversation to clear it. I can sense the tension building up very very clearly actually. The tension comes from when guys here based on their experience or no experience + knowledge they have learned, view women as these shallow, childhish and easily seduced by toxic, selfish, narcissist, immature behaviour - of course the ladies here do not like that. Natasha recently gave a very clear warning to AION for calling women shallow. Yet, this has been constantly brough up afterwards, even the leader of the community regularly calls women ”easy to fool” etc. I very strongly sense that Natasha does not like this really at all. I kinda am hesitant to start the conversation, because it never lead anywhere good throughout the years, despite multiple conversations about it. Instead, we just lost the female members here. But perhaps we are more mature and wiser now? I would like to have @Emerald @Etherial Cat & @Natasha Tori Maru actively be part of that conversation. I truly feel like we lose all the quality female members here precisely because of this discord. I myself am 50/50 in the topic. Yes, a lot / most girls from my experience are immature as hell, and are attracted to immature and unconscious behaviour from a man. But so are most guys immature as hell. But surely, the more conscious women do not fall for such stupid games, right?! At least this is what I deep down hope for, because that’s what I want. But is just false, no matter how much I want it? A perfect pair of boobs is still gonna draw me in, despite all the maturing I’ve done. My discerment is definitely way better now than when I was younger. No matter how perfect the boobs are, toxicity and drama is still mostly a turn off for me, for I value my inner peace very highly. But I am a man. I can better detach myself from my feelings, or can I?

This is not so black and white. If you have never done pick up, you don’t really know how much it grows you. Do you understand the strenght it takes to walk up to a group of 10 people sitting, you remaining completely calm and grounded, starting a conversation with them and making them like you? I would probably have never been able to do this without practicing pick up. Last night, I walked up alone, to a 10 person group, 9 man, 1 gorgeous blonde. And almost took the blonde from them. This is fucking confidence. What else is this? This is the true strenght of a man who has gone through hell to purify his weaknesses. Can you do this? If you can’t then don’t shit on this skillset too quickly. Besides, what’s the alternative? Most guys cannot do online dating. Dating via job is very limited and risky. Same with social circle - it is also not easy to have proper social circle without good social skills. But yeah, I do get the toxicity. There is definitely a very toxic form of pick up. I used to practice that when I was younger. But nowadays I do a much healthier version of it, and that is what I recommend.

Tell that to most people, who are addicted to drama like drug addicts to crack

I am reminded of a video jeff posted THIS WEEK shitting on Julien and Owen.

Hahahahh I went from having sex with multiple new girls every week in my youth to barely having sex with anyone right now. I look better than in my youth, and I carry myself with way more confidence. My social skills, humour, flirting and ability to read people are also way better. The only thing is that I used to lie WAY more, lying in ways I didn’t even realize I was lying. And lying in ways, I rationalized in my favour: ”Without me making her cheat with me, she will never let go of her bad relationship”. ”If I don’t lie and seduce her to get attached to me, she won’t experience the amazing experience I will give her”. ”If I am not an asshole, she won’t experience the ecstasy when I give her my validation and ”love”.” ”NON-ATTACHED FREE LOVE BECAUSE SPIRITUALITY” Oh and best one yet: ”iF i LiE and sEdUce Her SHE WILL BECOME AWAKENED VIA ME!!!!!” - - - - - Okey I admit, my standards for physical and especially psychological beauty are dramatically higher now.

Bro, you are quite stuck in orange if you don’t see that these men have no character.

The names dropped her makes me want to puke a little

While 8 billion people (basically everyone) are like zombies and are afraid of you if you showed your true self

Sure.

@Raze nobody said that respect always leads to wanting to fuck. But wanting to fuck requires respect from the ladies. The truth is that the club girls that run after degenerate promoters, do respect them. The promoters have a lot of value in their eyes. Men’s and women’s attraction system works differently. Women need to look upto the man’s strenght. They need to respect it. A weak man won’t get pussy.

1. Have you heard of cult leaders? 2. Most women do not respect sages. It takes real wisdom and maturity to respect them. 3. Oh, women do definitely respect degenerate club promoters, especially when they are in their peak youthful years (peak immaturity). They run after their validation like drug addicts.

Nobody has forced themselves from quitting, except themselves.

@trenton Well said.

That’s poetry.

I recently watched his podcast with his younger daughter and it was beatiful. Some tears even dropped, when she mentioned that she can’t have that beautiful and authentic relationship with her friends. BlessedLion is correct. I don’t consume much info anymore. I mostly just listen to music, dance and contemplate on my own.

Yes, that’s the whole point of it. It indicates that you won’t overstay your welcome.

As Cubbage and Natasha said, this also works as a filter. But prepare to lose 99% of girls you go on a date with, if you go this approach. It’s funny because when I recently made a thread about this, I got shit. But yeah, nowadays I don’t even pursue the girls if they don’t have interest in some form of personal growth and spiritual development.

In this context they are synonymous to me. If I find out someone is a psycho murderer, I run as fast as possible, no matter how hot.

I laughed

This is key insight. This way she can rationalize in your favour. If you logically explain the truth, she has no way to rationalize in your favour. And to answer OP’s original question, what happens when you bring these topics to your normie friends and family? Why would it be any different with girls?

This is a great thread.

I would say there is a limit to that timeless attraction. Think a bombshell who is an evil murderer. I lose all attraction to her immediately, no matter how timelessly hot she is.

Thanks guys for confirming what I already understood quite deeply from my own experience. Issue is that it takes time to develop into proper stage green. So as a young man, who is drawn to younger people than I am, it is not easy to find such maturity, especially in the general mainstream spaces.

Probably older ones. Sounds like some toxic pickup technique.