Miguel1

Owen would argue your value mismatch, incompatibility and ”have grown apart over timw” would be due to lack of frame control. I agree with him, if you date club hoes, and nore mature and mentally sane people.

This resonated on a very deep level. I think when I say that I am a very emotional being, I don’t mean in an overly emotional, immature way. I mean in a way that I feel things very deeply, including pain of others. Anybody else too?

Beautiful. Preach brother. Unfortunately, this won’t be happening in a thousand years. It will take another thousand years before humanity truly appreciates what we got here. - - - And this split, this discrepency between what could be, and what truly is, is what causes me some of the deepest existential sorrows.

”What the fuck am I watching? It's like I live amongst pigs. How do you people live like this? This is a circus of pervertry.” Sums my whole complaints about people (normies) I do on this forum.

It’s the opposite for me.

Read my first respond yesterdsy about ’Existential pain’. I don’t think letting go of it is an option because it is literally my Mission in life to push humanity to a better place. And how can I move them if I don’t even know what they are going through? In fact, how can I do it it I don’t know what they are going through BETTER than they know themselves. As Dr. K explained, people with deep hurt do not want to let go of it because it gives tremenduous meaning, depth and beauty to life too. This is my experience. Making this thread wasn’t about me crying out loud for sympathy, or to have people come console me. It was to seek out other people with similar experience, and to understand it better — and yes, to not feel so alone with it.

I spend a ton of time outdoors, almost everyday. Deep pain or deep foil, I experience it all everywhere.

THIS is the reason I have deep pain

Yes, I agree. Survival can make one miserable. But at the same time, lots of people go on about survival, using that to distract themselves from this deep / existential pain. The higher conscious people can see how black-pilling all that unconscious survivalness is.

The hell? I live in the north of Europe, Finland. We probably have the best air quality of all here. And no, from what I understand, most people do not experience deep pain, as Dr. K explains it.

I said what I said in a tongue-in-cheek way, come on now.

I once read a theory somewhere that Christianty was born because a bunch of people walked back and forth through woods that had bushes emitting DMT in gas form

Is this legit science? Or part of it is out of your ass? If it is fully legit, then this angle brings a lot of understanding to his psychology.

In a way, it is indeed easier to go absolute ham, 110% into something and build massive momentum, than to half ass yourself. But the trap then is, to get stuck in it yes. Which clearly seems to have happened to Owen.

And yes, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Owen has a bunch of good stuff, and there is no other public speaker like him.

Makes sense, as everything else you said. In this specific point tho, I find the opposite to be more true for me, personally: I don’t really prefer to approach (at least with serious intent) unless the girl is quite attractive, get excited when I find out / seduce her to mutual attraction, then get immensely disappointed when I realize she doesn’t have much beyond her beautiful shell. This happens again and again in clubs. When summer comes, I will approach more during day and hope to find more intelligent women. Gosh, I can’t find myself bothered with beautiful girls who are empty-headed. That is just hella boring to me and feels like a total waste of time. On top of that, I would feel like I’m just using her as a sex object. I almost view it in a way where the shallower a girl is, the more child-like she is and that in a weird way makes me feel like a pedofile. Like I’m taking advantage of a drunk person who cannot even make a conscious, intelligent decision. Intelligent and mature women are hella attractive. But usually these women are more in their 30s+, and has had their looks fade rapidly, which is also a big problem for me.

I do that often even without ever having done psychedelics lol

This is the reason gaming attractive girls is way easier than ugly ones for me. I cant fucking bother. And no, it doesnt generate more attraction, the girl can sense the lack of interest from me.

As someone who had developed deep habits in pickup, I’m really glad I was able to come to this conclusion and integrate it in my later 20s already. Literally such a waste of time, energy and sleep. And the sex is awful mostly. If I’m to do dating, I will mostly only consider daytime scenes seriously. Clubs is just for the laughter and letting loose.

No

I have dated 4 girls seriously in my life, all of them were like this. And there’s plenty of them around. Probably more than less.

Yes. But if you do pickup without chasing status and luxury, for 25 damn years, that cannot be healthy. Pickup for a few years can be healthy, yes.

Been a super busy week for me. I’ll catch up with the thread here at some point. But I came here to say that I think what Dr. K calls deep pain, I call existential pain. I think what it comes down to is that the more conscious you become, the more both ugly and beauty you see eveywhere, for yourself. And you become this conscious from going through immense work and suffering / pain. But also, at the same time, you will see how bad it is for other people, especially when you so much want to have a beautiful, conscious, mature, and healthy world for people — precisely due to your own conscious development. And ultimately, the pain comes from not being able to give it, to pretty much anyone. You just have to accept the fact of the immense suffering people have to go through before they ascend higher. The final crown is the loneliness because nobody can relate with what you are going through. It’s bittersweet. It’s deep. It’s existential pain. But I do admit. This pain gives depth to life. It makes me inspired to create more beautiful art. I believe that once I get more in touch with God, this deep pain will relieve. The more in touch with God, the more it will be relieved. - - - - - Writing this in the middle of a gathering with friends (that’s how busy I have been lol). Forgive me if it isn’t the most coherent text.

@Leo Gura the more I understand self-deception and the world better, the more bullshit I see Owen spouting. And there’s a lot. As you said, a lot of self-created problems. It comes down to: a pick up lifestyle cannot be mature and conscious, no matter how much good stuff he has to teach.

Hmm. I basically never get ragebaited on the internet. A skill I have developed from years of self-development and self-reflection. I basically never watched his stuff other than if he was forced in my face. But lately I have been consuming him more intentionally.