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Interesting / good question. My high school friend. We were friends for like 10-15 years. It worked out because we both got into spirituality together. It went downhill fast once I started doing Leo’s work seriously 5 years ago. Then I started noticing too many lies, biases, bullshits, self-deceptions. All of which I had kinda noticed but had repressed / ignored. After Leo’s work, it became too obvious. So I ourgrew him and no longer had much mutual stuff / passions to stay in touch with. We chat once in a while for few sentences on whatsapp. I don’t know about why most don’t last, but for me they don’t last because 1. Not enough mutual interests and passions 2. Our developmental level are just too different. Even now in my social circle (with complete normies) that I have been building for the past few months, it’s falling apart because I simply just don’t care about social games and what people think of me, nearly as much as them, and this gets me to behave in such a way that hurts them. I rather lose them, than start micromanaging every social move I make, because it’s quite fragile, the whole game. If people were more conscious, were able to laugh at themselves, and didn’t take things too seriously, having a social circle wouldn’t necessarily be too bad. - - - - - What about you?

I appreciate Dr. Ana’s work.

Born and raised here. I love this country with my heart. I don’t think I’ll ever find another place I feel at home at nearly as much as I feel here. Especially when this is my view: https://www.instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE4MDU2NTIzMDk4NzU0MjA3?story_media_id=3912508033867072451&igsh=MTBpOXk4a3VzNGJrbQ== One of the only big downsides is that Russia is our neighbour, and you never know what they decide to do.

There is one spiritual festival here in Finland. It’s relatively popular. It’s literally just conformity. You can’t talk with them about anything authentic, cuz they are all high on their conformity bliss. The more we niche down into serious spiritual events and retreats, the creepier it gets to go there to approach people romantically. And finally, in these more serious spaces, there is virtually no one I find attractive.

@zurew It is as obvious as day, that an average 25 year old isn’t nearly as capable of being as unbiased, as objective, as selfless, as truthful and honest, as mature in their behaviour, as empathetic, as capable of thinking big picture, systems, nature of reality as me. It is obvious that an average 25 year old is way more stuck in ego survival than I am. It is straight up disrespectful to state otherwise. I have been doing this work for 15 years, as one my top priorities. A normie cannot compare. Don’t take this work for granted. Actually go out and talk to people, you will notice that most people are simply unconscious survival zombies. It will make you realize how alone you are in this world.

You look like the secret lover who ruined my marriage from the past life

Wow, thank you.

@zurew I have not said I am tier 2. There are other ways to measure development, than just Spiral Dynamics. But certainly I have some tier 2 traits in me.

Thank you so much. The truth is, it is painful to keep building a relationship with a girl, taking a real liking to her, then having to drop her due to incompatibility. And grieving it. Over and over again. This is so painful. If I didn’t have the right music and my dancing to process and release the grieving, I would not be able to keep going. I would become cold and closed off.

To deny that my psychological and spiritual development is miles ahead of an average 25 year old girl in the mainstream space, would be untruthful. Why would we be interested in that?

All I did was, I had a low moment, was vulnerable, and expressed here, hoping to have some support and mutual thoughts. Instead, I got labelled a bunch of times as egotistical, superior, and now victimhood. But a few people showed me real support. The people who actually goes out, has done the work and the approaches, and actually knows how empty it can become to meet so many people, yet connecting with none; just pushing their unconscious buttons to get reactions out of them.

@zurew When you approach 50 000 people, and still don’t find your people, perhaps you’ll know what I mean then.

@integral I agree with you that one of the main functions of a relationship is to grow together. I notice that I get bored the moment I am no longer challenged in the relationship. The issue is then you will make your partner feel extremely unloved, when you push them to grow. This is not sustainable and I learned it the hard way. The real solution is to find a partner who has a natural desire to grow, and to explore the topics and to do the work we do here. But this is extremely rare, if you also need them to be youthful and fairly physically attractive. I am still quite young and very youthful, so I find it hard to be attracted to older people, where it would be easier to find what I am looking for. One of the downsides of this work is you outgrow everyone around you, by miles. And no, this is not being egotistical. It is being truthful, if you actually do this work seriously.

Why are you up

Think of it this way: Would you date and invest a HUGE chunk of your life, energy, time and resources into building a relationship with a stage red person? If yes, why? If not, why not? I personally would not because our values and the way we go about life, raising children, living our happiest lives, would be way too different. With an orange person, it would be less different, but still quite different. With a green person, it would be even less different, but still different, altho it should be doable. Would I be the happiest? Probably not. But with someone who holds similar values to me, loves exploring spirituality, truth, big picture, critical thinking and systems thinking? I would enjoy the hell out of it. This is also a person I can actually rely on, whenever I have a low moment in life. With a less psychologically developed person / more unconscious, I wouldn’t necessarily be able to rely on, simply because they are way more stuck in survival. Is this me being superior? Or is this just a neutral fact?

Beautifully said.

People are wired differently. I am wired to need intellectual intimacy as well. I get bored really fast in a relationship if we can’t explore ideas and thoughts together. But she doesn’t need to be my copycat in her thoughts. Just open-minded and wise enough to discuss deeper, more complex topics too. That’s very important to making me feel like she is my partner.

I think there is a thread about this that was created recently.

What is this passive-aggressive language? Just say what you want to say, there is no need to play games here. It’s amazing how much theory you guys come up with about my situation and my ego. All I am looking for is a hot spiritual witch, and you behave like I am pretending to be a guru.

It’s spiritual naivety to think that this work isn’t lonely. There is a reason most people don’t do this work.

Thanks for sharing

I don’t think many of them are beating around the bush. It’s mostly quite directly communicated. But none of them has yet to say how exactly is my ego behaving in such a way. And neither have you, which makes me question the point of you bringing it up. I see a pattern though: the few people here who can relate and agree with me, are people who actually go out and approach.

@Wilhelm44 Finland. Hippies for example. Spirituality without proper responsibility is just escapism.

Yeah, museums are quite boring. I don’t live in the US, I live in the Northern Europe, spirituality is not very big here. And the spiritual events I’ve been to, I find a lot of bypassers there.

It’s not like these authentically spiritual women (not spiritual by-passers) are everywhere. I don’t bump into them anywhere really but perhaps I need to stop doing nightlife and go to art galleries and museums instead.