Miguel1

I know right? This is why you ought to be very careful of spiritual teachers, and people in general who have reached awakenings but haven’t done the human work.

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing. I might write my own later, altho I kinda already did in the thread I started the other day. There is definitely a big hole in the market for Healthy Pickup. Even in a community like this, you see it lacking. When I first joined this community, I expected there to be mostly people who had mastered pickup, transformed it into a healthy version, and finally even transcended it. I was shocked to find out the truth. That being said, how many really resonate with a healthy version of pickup, since as you said: people who get into it tend to be more mentally broken people. Normal, healthy men look for dating oppostunities via other means.

Simpliticity is sitting on your ass, meditating 10 hours a day for a week.

@Hello1 We do much more serious work here. Really, what Eckhart Tolle teaches in a way cannot even be described as spiritual work. It’s children’s game. It’s pure fantasy.

Eckhart Tolle’s teaching is very soft and beginner friendly. There is a reason he is so famous and appeals to a wide range of audience.

When I was in my early twenties, I loved listening to Sadhguru. Nowadays I cant stand him, nor most spiritual teachers. Honestly nowadays my own mind, and my own silence are so much more enjoyable and interesting.

Lol, I just realized this was supposed to go to the Conformity thread. Heh

You are misunderstanding Spiral Dynamics if you think that higher stages means superior. It is higher yes, but not superior in the sense of ’I am better than thou’. A higher stage simply means more complex, holistic, and integrated. The lower you go, the simpler the mind is. At the lowest it literally is: kill or be killed.

Celebrating new years

The Spiral Dynamics model is not perfect, as no model is. But it is the best we have got to use.

Thanks everyone for sharing your heart. The culture here on the forum is such that we focus on very serious, cold truths and head-dominated facts. It is very sweet to once in a while come together and remind each other that we are just fellow human beings here together on this journey to God. With each having their own hardships and happier times, let us go to the next year with more clarity, inner peace, and joy. Much love to ya’ll. Thank you for being part of this community. Happy new years! ❤️

Bruh

Translation: don’t expect it to come in at least a few years

You are talking of a ”more conscious business”, not ripping yourself off of all fantasies and illusions (that directly affects your survival). There’s levels to this game. Obviously.

When I first got into Leo’s content, there’s no way I would have paid money for him to completely shatter all my survival fantasies. Keep in mind that being a trip faciliator isn’t necessarily faciliating hard core truth-seeking. You can awaken to God but remain a pervert. Just look at our spiritual teachers, and a certain podcaster!

Please go ahead and elaborate on your thoughts. It is easy to say such things if one is not proactively trying to make it happen, and to be engaging with people (and their core drive: survival).

As an extreme example, think of a highly empathetic stage green person trying to connect with a very violent stage red person. How would the stage green person feel? Except in this case, the person doesnt even get triggered / angry at the lower developed person because they understand where they are at, and that that’s what they need. So in a way, it’s almost a complete disengagement. Another way you can look at it is how do you feel around children? Yeah they are cute, innocent, and all but there’s not much to connect with on a deeper level. On top of that, in this case the children are not cute, nor innocent, and they carry guns with lots of selfish and unconscious selfish drivers and triggers! So it is not really a complete disengagement as you have to engage with them and their unconsciousness in order to survive, and try to do your best to help them grow up and clean up, otherwise they will cause massive suffering to everything and everyone on the planet. Hope this answered you. And why don’t you take this moment, and express to us your current feelings and thoughts about your life, as we enter the new year?

Currently I struggle deeply with integrating the unconsciousness of the world, as I become more conscious. I feel like as an extrovert, this work is much harder because I crave human connections much more than introverts. As the gap between me and the general gravity of the world grows further apart, it makes me more and more sad because of the lack of connection to anyone, especially in real life. Here on this forum, we have like-minded people but it will never be the same as having real life soul-friends to share small and big moments with. Once in a blue moon, I meet a more solid stage green girl (who dont have too much inner baggage / or has healed them) to share intimate moments with, and that makes me happy. But to mee this person, I have to go through a lot of unconsciousness first. Too much. On top of this all, I am most likely something along the lines of a highly sensitive person / highly empathetic person etc. I feel the pain of others’ and the world’s intimately deeply. An emotional sponge so to say. Probably the reason why I want to help the world so much. It is very existentially heavy to see so much pain and suffering around. I also struggle deeply to make conscious business work. I have sacrificed almost everything to make it work, but the devil is always lurking around the corner tempting me with sweets. This is directly connected with the point above where the general gravity of people is at a level where it really is hard to reach them by being more conscious. That being said, I am happy that I have kept loyalty to Truth, at least much better than I believed I could. I am happy that I have a really beautiful vision with very unique strenghts and traits to reach that — that I can bring something truly unique to the world. I am proud of myself for growing so much throughout the years. So damn much. How can someone grow this much? I just turned 31 physically but I feel like I am way older mentally and emotionally. The deep inner work for the past 15 years, four extremely painful break-ups, the hard spiritual work and the constant facing of soul-crushing truths about life, human nature and finally, spiritual fantasies. My God. I am surprised I haven’t gone mad and killed myself! The truly beautiful thing is though, that all these has led me to an ever deeper connection to Truth, God, and Reality. Something I am most proud of. I have a really beautiful small home on the highest floor (6th) with a full ocean view (near the centrum of Helsinki, which is very rare to have here or probably anywhere on that note). I have showered this home with so much love that it has blossomed into a graceful and elegant flower. It is my safe place. I love how I treat my body. I live a very healthy lifestyle and that makes me happy. I am grateful that I can make decent income and live very comfortably by doing work that is fairly conscious. It is just nowhere at the level where I would want to reach with my highly ambitious self. But let us take one step at a time. Many years left in my life. Finally, I do have a best friend who is Dutch and lives in Amsterdam. His name is Olaf. He also follows the work we do here but not just on this forum. I love you brother, thank you for being my friend all these years and growing together. How are you guys doing?

If I was fully authentic in my life, I would have to live in a cave. That being said, I am able to be emotionally more authentic than most people due to not being a conformist sheep, and due to my deep inner work and connection to Truth. This makes me attractive because I am grounded in my reality, calm, collected, confident and don’t take people’s shit almost at all. Yet I am empathetic because I have love for other beings. This makes me a leader. And people love to follow a strong caring leader.

I second this. I dance and play football (soccer) a lot. Without stretching regularly, my body is super stiff, which affects mentally.

It is not so black and white. Passion pushes you through very tough times. It gets you to work at 110%. But depending on your passion, who you are and your background, passion first might not be viable. It is a case by case type of situation.

@Ulax There’s levels to being an intellect. A politician and a serious philosopher trying to understand reality is a vast gap. That being said, Conscious Politics is possibly only when you do serious meditative work.

Lots of beautiful insights here on this thread. For me, freestyle dancing is that passion where time disappears. My god I am passionate about that form of art, and can do it for hours every day even tho it is physically very taxing.

@Joshe is correct here. Its good to be delusionally optimistic, but also its good to be aware of the real risks.

Thank you for the time here. Godspeed!