Miguel1

Via social circle you get the 9s and 10s the easiest, but you can only really date one of them at a time. Also, building and maintaining a social circle takes enormous amount of time and energy. To get an 8, cold approaching is way more efficient. There are plenty of 8s out there. If your skills are really good, even the 9s and 10s are pullable with cold approaching. With social circle, it’s easier but takes way more time. I don’t have a definitive answer for you. Both has pros and cons. I would do both at the same time, since they work in harmony. And tbh, I’ve been doing that the past few months but it’s coming crashing down as I am quite burned out from the social games and fakery.

Got it. Feel free to explore my mind and situation further. We can also hop on a call if you want. I think we chatted once a few years ago!

We are all different, eh? And yes, after 50k approaches, I acknowledge I am looking for something super rare. Hence the internal struggle. But they do exist. Imagine a young Teal Swan. Now, you won’t find them in clubs. That’s for sure

Leo’s ”the enemy of great is good” IG post: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaPW1-POJxH/?igsh=ZGd5czgyZjlpbzlp This is what I ultimately need to accept in my situation. Socializing with normies and getting results with them is good, but it holds me back badly from what is actually Great.

This is too black and white. There are plenty of intelligent women out there. And again, I don’t expect a hardcore philosopher and an intellect. I am not necessarily one myself. Also, my own brain is wired differently. I am wired for depth. Having a ”shallow” minded relationship is not very fulfilling for me. Plenty of spiritual female public figures out there, so it would make sense that offline there is even more. But it’s still a minority, and hard to find them, especially if you look for them in clubs lol.

Thank you for your contribution. We have only discussed this for 9 pages

Do I sense that you want me to ask you further questions? Or am I reading you wrong? Yes, getting a girl to fall into my ”normie” frame is easy. What’s much harder is to get her to following me in spirituality, and anyway, that would be getting close to cult practices. The way cults works is kinda the same way: the leader and the environment is so strong in their ideals, that people (weak frame, normies, most people) get hypnotized into it, don’t question, and just follow blindly — because the frame of the leader is so strong and certain. Basically most of society to be honest. Just on more socially acceptable frames. And hence, this is what most of socialization also is.

Well, first of all I need to stop wasting so much time on empty socializing, and put that time into real work. In practice, I should make some higher conscious content. And come up with a creative way to get good views for it. But more importantly, I need to use my dancing, as that would separate me from most conscious content out there. It’s such a not-known thing here in Finland that I might hit the news, if I actively go to the public to dance and to share love. I do want to mix higher conscious content in my dancing heavily tho, so I will probably be giving speeches on healing, love, empathy etc. Using dancing as a form of inspirating others, rather than as a performance. Also, using dancing to heal others in the form of dance therapy, and letting go. Here’s a few practical steps. I still have many many decades left in my life to leave a bigger impact. Hitting the news etc. would be nice to get my name out there, so I can find my tribe to connect with, and to help.

I would love it to be natural. But which normie is going to fall into my metaphysical frame naturally, unless I hard manuever and seduce her into it? And even then it’s most likely not going to happen.

The positive side to this is that it is also peak time to dancing in public and to spread love. During winter it is very hard to do so. Focusing my time doing this would be way more aligned.

What I have forgotten to mention in my situation is the following pain: Taking a real liking to a girl, her taking a real liking to me. Then having to break both of our hearts, due to incompatibility. But not only that, as an empathetic person, I not only get my own heart broken, but I feel the pain of her heartbreak. Do this a few times in a row, and knowing very well that no matter how many times I do this in a row, it won’t work out because I’m in the wrong environment — exhaustion is the end result. It is also exhausting to seduce her into liking me. But if I was fully authentic and genuine from the get go, we would not build anything to begin with. All this games is just exhausting.

In Integral’s example, he is not surrounded by hot girls.

You miss the point of the strategy. The idea is to have short interactions with everyone in the venue, making friends, generating attraction then bouncing. All this gives you massive social proof, and opportunity to reapproach later in the night.

I find it so hard to let go of socializing with normies. Or socializing altogether. Yet I find it exhausting to be so fake with people. What makes it all worse is that it’s peak summer here. And summer lasts 3 months. In an ideal world, we would have people like us in this community almost everywhere. The world would be way more beautiful, and socializing would be way more genuine.

Yes, this is ultimately the problem. But to take it further, it’s more like: Better McDonalds than starving to death. Where in the world can I find healthy food to eat?

Thanks everyone for the answers. Keep them coming. It would be great if you could expand a bit on how would your work actually play out: - What would your work actually look like in practice? - What would be the immediate and long-term results / changes?

@Joshe You are correct. Of course it would be selfish of me to expect them to be different, and to like me. That’s why I don’t expect. But also why I struggle with loneliness. They are not mutally exclusive. It’s almost like being the only human in this planet. Now this is an extreme example, but how would that make you feel? As for girls following your lead, and taking your frame, you are correct. Girls do do that. But 1. There is a limit to it. They wont turn seriel killers even if they are deeply attracted to you 2. For them to fall into your frame, you have to seduce them in it. And the seduction itself is inauthentic to me. I have done it so much already, I know it is not who I really am deep down. Just the fact that I have the intention to seduce them, is already misaligned. 3. Even if they do fall into your frame, it is because they are seduced in it, not because they naturally desire it. Once they fall out of the frame, they will stop caring about it, which makes it fragile. It’s not true caring about what I want them to care about. I have had many long-term gfs. I know very well. - - - - - Finally, it’s not necessarily that I need them to be super intellectual. I do need them to be emotionally healthy, have secure attachment, have healed their traumas, are psychologically relatively mature, are emotionally intelligent etc. But I would also love to have ’intellectual intimacy’ with them. I would love to explore beautiful ideas and topics, like consciousness, truth, love, empathy. They don’t need to be hardcore philosophers, but openminded and intelligent enough to explore true spirituality. If they are not able to do this, I find our relationship lacking a big part of intimacy. I am not too interested in talking normal people discussions, and would have to do that most of the time, if I couldn’t discuss higher topics with them. Hope this opened up my situation better.

Ana is good. She is a healthy practioner of the profession. I don’t see any obvious toxicity from her.

This is one of the main functions of the ”natural” game. Socializing with everyone and building massive social proof. ”Shotgun”. Technical game is generally more snipery.

I got some value from Orion too, for sure. But Ana is definitely not a female version of Tate. Not at all brother.

@integral good points. But basically what you are doing is ”working the venue”, just during the day. This is cold approaching.

Mmm 1. You cant compare this to a real fight 2. Cold approach teaches you so many fundamental things about being a strong man. 3. What interesting things could one do? 4. Your way is very limited as only so many girls will approach and ask for ur number. 5. You spend a lot of time socializing with everyone, who is not an attractive girl.

Great question, thank you. My favourite thing has to be that which is most meaningful for me. And that would be doing my best to make humanity more mature, conscious, empathetic, loving, beautiful, whole, holistic and healed. It pains me to see so much unconsciousness everywhere, when the potential for such beauty and love exists. Gosh I am tearing up from bittersweetness when thinking about this. So much unnecessary suffering, so much selfishess, so much lying and manipulating, so much pain — when we could have divine love for each other. It has become painfully clear for me that this is by far, the most important thing for me, and I gotta do everything in my power to push it as much as I can in my lifetime. Nothing else gives me nearly as much meaning and purpose.

Girls are naturals at game, until they have to practice game Consciously, then they are fucking terrible at it

Yeah, there’s been plenty of insights and realizations here thanks to everyone who contributed.