Miguel1

It is true that most people are stuck in survival and doesn’t have the capacity and / or interest to actualize themselves and explore consciousness deeply. Most people are too immature to even have a basic thing like a healthy relationship. To truly have a sustainable, compatible relationship based on honesty, authenticity and truth, is very rare.

@Joseph Maynor @Inliytened1 it makes sense. I was with this partner for 5 years. It was the most intimate and intense relationship I’ve had, by far.

The funny thing is my personality type is ENFJ, which is the biggest social chameleon there is. My ennegram is 8w3 tho, and from there I get the cut through bullshit side.

The suffering for me has also neutralized a lot compared to 10 months ago when I broke up. But I would have thought it would have passed by now as I am quite happy single. It must be still here for the reasons I mentioned above. I was able to express myself much better in my relationship because she accepted me and didn’t judge me, and we had a special bond. Now I have to play the social games way more, but I hate that too and need to really stop it. But then there is not much intimacy at all in my life anymore, however shallow. There is clearly an internal, existential conflict within me.

Yeah, it’s a chemical inbalance in our brain. Need to process it and give it time for our brain to find balance and harmony again. Also why PUA is toxic in this regard. Pick up would say for you to numb it and go fuck 10 hotter girls to move on.

@Inliytened1 It started for me from break up too. But it’s been 10 months and I feel like I have moved on from it quite well. Maybe like now, it has shifted from break up + lack of human intimacy to purely but strongly lack of human intimacy. I have struggled with being a wage slave and not being able to fully express myself freely forever so I don’t think that’s the reason. If anything, at least I had quite a deep intimacy on physical, emotional, psychological and intellectual with my ex partner, but now I don’t even have that. And finally, I feel like on one hand I am so done with repressing my true self and just want to fully express myself via my art and making a proper career for myself - but at the same time I am aware that it will make it even Harder for me to get the intimacy I crave, as it is too threatening for normies. The caveat is that I am much more likely to find the person I truly aligned with and can have authentic intimacy with, it I fully express myself publicly. I will lose 99% of people in my life, but I will open the doors for the right people to enter my life. - - - - - Overall, I think for me it comes down to lack of proper intimacy (I don’t count random sex with random people intimacy), and the lack of ability to freely express myself (with the fear of its consequences). Same reason I cant be on this forum with my real name. But this all starts from the foundation that human consciousness is still so damn low. In many ways, we are still living deeply in the dark ages.

For me, if it’s a 15-20 min nap, no problems. But if it’s like 1-2h+ nap, then it hits

I like this very much. Not only the whole mindset is healthier than pick up lines, it is also beginner friendly approach, and safer approach in a classroom. Pickup requires a hardcore mindset (a lot of times to the point of toxicity), and an environment where you can lose face and have no consequences. Finally, to the OP, your first attempts will never be perfect. Maybe you will get lucky and it will work out, but most likely not - so don’t put too much pressure on yourself.

@Natasha Tori Maru @OBEler Very interesting you both mention suffering right after waking up. What the hell! I suffer from the same. For me, it doesn’t matter if it is morning or middle of the day. If I wake up from a long nap in the evening, the same flood of suffering is there. What is the quality of your guys’ suffering? For me, it is this existential hopelessness. It’s like the sleep is so peaceful, and I fall asleep fast, and get into deep sleep - but once I wake up, the whole unconsciousness, selfishness and survival of our human collectiveness hits me all at once. Like Natasha, it passes once I start my day. And this literally happens probably 9 out of 10 times I wake up. So weird. I can go to sleep at night fully at peace, but always wake up to some sort emotional wave of existential terror / crisis / hopelessness.

I am proud of how far we have come as a community. In the past, a conversation like this would have spiraled down to the seventh hell. There’s no way this would have borne fruit. Thanks everyone for growing together, and clearing this place up to be this clean. It will never be 100% clean but this is very good.

This is my current stand 100% as well. I straight up refuse to act lower conscious and gamey, even tho I lose so much sex and intimacy from it. The good thing is that the sex and intimacy I lose, is fairly superficial, and that I don’t waste my time on it, giving me more opportunities to meet real intimacy, based on honesty and authenticity. It is very rare tho. But it’s worth it.

@LordFall Yeah I found it interesting as well. I agree that Jeffy can be an off putting character, but I feel like he cuts straight to the chase, rather than does 3 hour rambling videos.

It’s the same struggle Emerald and Etheral Cat went through here, and probably many other female members. Also probably the reason they all left. Back then I was still too biased to see, and also not an active member yet to be commenting. But now, I rather not see the same mistake being repeated, especially as you are one of the higher quality posters here. It seems Leo has learned his lesson and was able to take the feedback properly based on his responses here. Much love.

That makes sense. I think there is a tendency to downplay our self-deceptions and biases towards sex because it is ”such a low function” compared to the serious work - but that’s precisely the danger. Thank you for your patience and compassion.

@Natasha Tori Maru Yes, hence I brought this up to give it integrity. If this community wasn’t about truth, then I wouldn’t care as it would be very male biased. But I hold us to a higher standard, because truth is one of our top values here.

Yes, as you said, Leo throws a lot of these short comments confidently that comes across as ”it’s simple as this, period” -feeling - especially in the ’what attracts women’ space. Which is understandable, when the women here feel like they are being devalued. It’s almost like someone said that Leo has gone mad very confidently. Has he? Yes he has by any normal mind’s standard. But that's just the half truth. By the standards of what we do here, he has turned sane! More conscious.

Leo also recently called women shallow (if I recall correctly), within the past 48 hours. The same thing that made Natasha gave a clear and strong warning to AION, without the ability to discuss it with her. And yes, Leo also did undo the warning points given by Natasha. This is directly and indirectly dismissing Natasha’s feelings about the issue.

@AION I am not throwing you under the buss. It just oozes off of you that you lack respect.

Yes, and this is where tension and resentment builds up overtime. Hence I softly suggested having a conversation to clear this up. In a mature manner. Not sure if it is actually doable tho, as people here get triggered and defensive way easier than one would expect from a community like this. That being said, this is definitely way less toxic than it used to be. But I just don’t think we can get it to a mature level enough to have such high level conversation.

I did not suggest anyone to get special treatments.

Yes, it’s a good point. One of the reasons is that we are male dominated community, so of course we are biased not to look into our own errors. On the same point, these conversations sparks from PUA talks, which again is to help the majority of people here, men. And in PUA talks, we discuss what works on female nature. And to understand it properly, we focus on the female extensively and what they are: immature. Hence immature techniques work on them, and we practice them. But that obviously corrupts us as well. There is just no incentives to look into it. I have the incentives, because I have gotten the results from PUA, so much so I am sick of it and want something more integrous, truthful, and higher.

The issue here is that you, as the leader of the community, are also saying stuff about women that she finds disrespectful. The same way Emerald and Etheral Cat found them disrespectful.

Thanks for sharing your honest opinions. I would not want you to step down as a moderator. It would be a big loss for us all. As a man, who spent majority of his adult and teenage life, surrounding myself with girls, I view girls in many ways, way more intelligent than men. Especially here in Finland, our men are autistic as hell, whereas the women thrive here. Sanna Marin (female) for example, holds the title of the youngest prime minister of Finland. We are truly one of the leaders in stage Green development. And the women here are the ones pushing leftist and green values, whereas the men here are way more on the right and hold onto traditional values. They are way more racist and homophobic. Women are the ones that are more educated here, and in general, they are way more human and empathetic in their approach and intelligence - that’s why I have deep respect for them. My best friends have pretty much all been my ex girlfriends. All that being said, I have also seen how girls chase after the worst degenerate scums. I have seen how they fall head over heels and lose all intelligence and sense making for the charismatic assholes. I have seen first hand how my results with women significantly drops, the more I treat them with love, respect and empathy. So even if their normal intelligence (at least emotional and people) is relatively high, compared to the males here, their attraction mechanisms seems to be completely stuck in the past - and it hasn’t evolved and caught up really at all.

This is all what a healthy version of pick up artistry is about. - Detaching from your ego / need for outcome / grandiose and false self-image - Efficient way to meet new people romantically - PUA is about treating dating as a marketing funnel

She seems to have edited that line. I sense uneaseness from Natasha and resentment building up within her.