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On the other hand, it’s sad how stuck he is despite having all the potential to transcend higher.

Too much estrogen and too little testosterone makes you gay

Like I said, masculinity is attractive but femininity connects.

I consider being so fully in touch with yourself that you can act however the hell way you want and totally own it, to be True Masculinity. A man who has zero fear to be himself, and not giving a single fuck about what others think of him. What is this other than the definition of masculinity? I absolutely adore my highly feminine and empathetic side, and so seemingly do girls. Just gotta mix in it with my highly masculine side and it’s golden. The good thing is that we all have femininity in us (just a matter of how much we allow and love that part of us). And the good thing is that we all also have masculinity in us.

Do you want to give us your own summary (not AI pls)? Would do you good as well, as far as learning the concepts. I have watched too many Owen videos that honestly, right now I’m sick of listening to him lol.

Masculine energy is mostly attractive yes, but the feminine energy from men connects. I am often fairly feminine and playful upon the approach but then immediately slowly introduce more masculine energy and once she is hooked, I might bring in some serious dark triad masculine energy in the mix. I do not recommend to be so manipulative, unless you want the girls to go absolute crazy over you.

Getting clear on top your values and life purpose, and dedicating your life to it solves all of this.

@nerdspeak Being a scientist = authority / small form of status Being a new age spiritual leader = status Being a pure savage ego deconstructor = threat Remember that you were talking about using Leo's following to show status and social proof, rather than to try to date the people in his following. These are two very different strategies. But yes, surely it works on some girls, but I would argue that most girls would click on one of his videos and get weirded out. And as for your "lapsed scientist" category, that still is status to some form. Better than being a mister nobody, broke and living in their mother's basement. Almost like a failed influencer / DJ, they still probably got some clout and connections before failing. Other than that, you made good points. Having girls being interested in Leo's work is extremely rare tho. I have a lot of first hand experience, and lessons from the hard way. And it is even more rare to have attractive girls interested in his work - they have zero survival pressure to do so. Quite the opposite in fact. If Leo did Manifestation & Astrology, that would be a completely different matter.

Yup, you can control yourself to look like a potato.

It is worst than that. Saying deep metaphysical things that directly threatens the survival and fantasies of girls? That's like trying to kill the baboons, they will run harder than they can breathe.

That is a good question. I would say that the ability to flirt shows social intelligence and smoothness - and that is an attractive trait. But yet, at the same time it is harmless in the sense that they haven’t done anything against the commitment of the relationship. It’s kind of like being a highly charismatic person. It is a very attractive trait, and it makes people attracted to them - but it doesn’t go against the commitment of the relationship. Another example is a person looking really good. That makes you attracted to them but so it does make many other people attracted to them. You could ask the same: ”why do things that make others attracted to you, if you are in a relationship with me?” Flirting is a skill that once developed and honed deeply into your personality, is hard to turn off. Or at least hard to have it on just for one person, and off for others. Comes with the territory. The ability to properly flirt gets you a ton of social & material goodies, which is very attractive to our survival mechanism.

At least raccoons don’t act like higher than thou

Reminds me of your previous signature text. When I was younger, I used to think girls in general are more mature than men (at least in the younger category) due to their higher EQ, and it still is the case. But as I mature, I find their maturity to be very minimally higher than guys. And that is precisely because of their higher EQ - they are very social beings. Meaning, they will avoid hard truths and conversations. They live in fantasies. They go sneaky and covert. Due to this, I almost see them all as kids and cant take them too seriously (and don’t necessarily think they are more mature than men). Men in general, can handle hard truths and conversations better - but honestly, in the grand scheme of things it is also miniscule compared to the truth we deal with here in this work. Nowadays, I find people who are deeply in fantasyland to be more annoying to deal with. Unfortunately that is most people - but it is a question of spectrum of course - and girls tend to be on the higher end of things. I love me nothing more than a woman who I can have an in-depth, mature, soul-fulfilling conversations with, especially on the harder side of things. But the best I can really get is a stage green girl, and they get triggered quite easily tbh. Honesty and openess (directness) with politeness and responsibility (integrity) is the best combination to have in a relationship. Good luck finding one at my age. But of course my definition and standards for those key things are much higher than for normies. This work we do here definitely cuts off most people as viable friends / partners. One of the downsides of the work. But definitely worth it.

Certainly dedicating your whole life into pursuing sex is the most pathetic way to live life. I see it very clearly now. I can't believe how excited I used to be chasing sex. I didn't see the level of manipulation I was doing, not even close. I rationalized to myself that this is for the best of her, as she will get an amazing experience from my seduction. Playing into a girl's unconsciousness and lower development and manipulating that mechanism to chase me. As my manipulation (seduction) continues, and she develops feelings, I will have to hurt her by cutting her off or keep manipulating her to stay in my circle by leading her on. Oftentimes it was the latter. The worst part is the amount of lying I was doing to myself. - - - - - This turned into a bit of an articulation opportunity for myself. Will keep it short: When I was younger, I was seeing girls age 18-23. These girls are not only more attractive by far, but also has less baggage from previous relationships (that they haven't fully processed) and they don't have damage done from 10 years of corporate life. I haven't dated for 5 years (was in a long-term relationship) but I started dating recently again, and I had hoped that meeting older people 27-32 etc, I would find more mature people. And yes, certainly they are more mature - but they are definitely also more damaged. They also have much more pressure to push things forward faster. The youngsters are airheads but they were attractive to me back then as I wasn't very mature myself and wasn't looking for depth. At this point, the youngsters feel too much like kids to me. The people my age are more mature but the baggage they bring with it negates the relatively little maturity they have. They are also far less attractive than the youngsters as well (which I mostly don't find attractive anymore). The middle ground is probably girls age 23-26. Perhaps 24-25, which is extremely limiting. There is really no clubs here where people around that age gather. It's either teenagers club, elders, or a club that has all age groups. Also, my willingness to lie is so dramatically less than it used to be. At the same time, and more importantly, my self-awareness of seeing myself lying is obnoxiously higher. I am kinda at a crossroads. Perhaps, this is a good opportunity to take a big step towards transcending sex, and take at least a break from dating. I would love to develop a loving and healthy romantic relationship with a conscious girl, but finding such a girl in a club? And around my age (since I dont find much older women attractive)? Well, that's a mathematical problem I have yet to solve, despite trying my best.

When I was younger, I used to sometimes pull and close 2-3 times a day here in the west. Most of them were not the hottest type tho. Looking back, the level of corruption and unconsciousness required to do that was awful.

Do you mean high empathy?

Of course. But it can materialize in many ways.

@svreishren Screams ChatGPT anyways

Of course if you are trying to convince someone of something, then you are in their frame, not yours. That’s the whole point. When attracting girls, don’t convince them of truth. And definitely take the frame of you are the shit (attractive frame), and that you don’t need them - even if it is BS.

I can certainly dance to that, but mostly for fun on my own. What I am looking for is leaving a raw, honest, authentic, and deep emotional impact. That's the brand I want to create. This beat doesn't really have those elements. It's more for chilling.

Truth = destruction of fantasies, self-deceptions, lies, BS. OP started a conversation about whether there is reconciliation between frame control and Truth. I answered to that.

Hi, and welcome to the forum. So to preface, I have a lot of dating experience. We are talking 10k+ approaches, 10 years of on and off gaming, multiple long-term gfs etc. And the short answer to your question is: do not aim for Truth in dating. That's the surest way to lose all your girls. I was like you and I had to learn it the hard way, again and again because I was stubborn. Perhaps you need to learn it the hard way too. Of course there is always an exception to the rule, but in this case, the exception is virtually non-existent. Take me for example, I am 30 years old (actually 31, I turned today!), the girls I find attractive are around my age and younger. How many of girls in this age group is highly develop and conscious? And how many of those are also physically attractive enough? Girls unlike us, are emotional beings. Even the most conscious women are not necessarily doing hard-truth type of spirituality. They are more people orientated, like girls in general are. Teal Swan teaches trauma and relationships for example. So to summarize: destroying fantasies of girls with truth is a damn terrible idea. Doing the opposite is what gets you the results in dating. Thing of dating more like money making. Exhaust that desire, burn through the karma, and then let it go. Transcend higher.

Go ahead. I am very specific with my music tho so no promises but I am very curious to see what people here would want me to dance to!

@AerisVahnEphelia Let’s see again how you feel when you are starving to death.

Good to hear.