Miguel1

I am your Father.

What the fuck is going on here. As a moderator, I grant you all to be my little children. I am your father.

Can we have an in-depth discussion about this? In my personal life, I have been fluctuating between these two. I grew up being programmed for monogamous. But at my peak PUA and hippie phase, I was all for polyamory as it fit my narrative and goals. Then studying Leo from 2020 onwards, I came to realize that polyamory for many is just spiritual by-passing, as it was for me too. Now at this point, I am back to being for monogamy but there are people like Teal that makes strong arguments for polyamory. I would love me a hard core ”die on this mountain” partner to develop a monogamous relationship with, like how Naftali Moses promotes. Yet my experience with girls + the arguments people like Teal makes, makes me contemplate polyamory again too. But obviously this time from a place of maturity, as teal puts it. What do you guys think? What are you more for? What are the pros and cons? What are some less obvious reason for and against?

So today I learned a new word that describes me and wanted to share somewhere!!!! Has nothing to do with this thread. Or maybe it does!

Cuz I’ve gotten a lot of shit for my HEALTHY aggression

The next one is so graceful. It is in Finnish so you don’t understand it but basically it is about love in the symbol of a butterfly, hence I move like a butterfly in it, such grace. Enjoy and support me by commenting something lovely! ❤️ https://www.instagram.com/reel/Db8oO6XCMXC/?igsh=amVtbnJheGM4bHk1

Since I spent a lot of time writing an answer to a question from @BlessedLion , I decided to copy-paste the answer here as well. Original question: From: My answer: Thanks for asking. This will be a more in-depth answer, simply because I am very passionate about it + I am not fully 100% clear and articulate about it, so I will probably be analyzing somewhat as I write. Short version: I can't, at least yet, put it into a short sentence. But it is something to do with the combination of art, dance, beauty, film (including acting), story-telling, insights, deeper thoughts, philosophy, writing & speaking. ---- Long version with examples: I want to touch people deeply on an emotional level. Inspire them like nothing else. And get them to FEEL deeply & contemplate deep stuff about life. For now, I want to keep it relatively relatable for the mass, so that I can get traction & traffic - but later as I am financially well off, I will go hard into the deepest stuff (as well). The vision is such that I will be at my peak in like 20-30 years, perhaps even later. My dancing might not be as good then anymore but I believe my peak level dancing will be in my 40s, so in a bit over 10 years - so maybe in my 40s and 50s, I will be doing my best work, since dancing will be a huge part of it (as I see it now at least, because that's the unique thing about me that separates me from the rest. More on it later) Here are some examples to get an idea: https://www.instagram.com/p/CygMx_etst5/ For some reason, the music is out of sync when you listen with headphones on phone, but on computer it works fine. On phone, if you don't use headphones, it is better in sync. I hate adding the music on the Instagram app but I have no choice if I want to use copyrighted music. Notice how on Instagram I can use pretty much any song I want without being copyright struck (Instagram music library, which is pretty much Spotify). And I can also write in the caption somewhat in-depth. On YouTube, music usage is very limited (which is probably 50% of my art lol. Need to think more about how much it really is). Plus, writing on description box / comments just doesn't have the same feel as writing on Instagram post captions. Here are some other raw stuff I shot lately: Watch these cuz they will probably be taken down here soon (copyright music) These raw stuff (emotionally & no edits wise) don't have anything else but dancing and they're shot inside. Shooting outside is probably my main thing, that's where probably my best work will be shot (altho I can def see that there's a ton of beauty to be created inside where you have more control over the environment - just require more budget). One problem with shooting inside, especially in my living room lol, is the limited space. As a dancer, the space I have is way too little before I run out of the camera frame. But just to give an idea what my dancing and music choice alone can affect in this vision. Include the rest ''the combination of art, dance, beauty, film (including acting), story-telling, insights, deeper thoughts, philosophy, writing & speaking.'' - And I believe at my peak in a couple of decades, I can create something so hella beautiful, I can't even put it into words... -- Also, I wanted to share these cuz they were shot the other day so they are my most recent dances recorded. Listen to the music carefully, while watching me dance, otherwise you miss a lot of beauty. use headphones & watch full screen, ideally on a bigger screen than phone like laptop & 4k - my dancing style is very subtle and has a lot of details (I wish I had a couple proper moving videographes to catch all the details of my dance), unlike breakdance which is all about big, power moves: ''And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche'' Keep in mind that my dancing & art is a very different side of me that I have not shown on this forum at all really. (I'm glad you asked me the question so that I got the chance to show this side of me as well, which is where I feel most at home... With philosophy & art. My dancing is mostly freestyling / improvisation (more about it later). And it's definitely a bit rusty, since I haven't dance much the past years (more about it later) but I still think it's very good. I can't wait to get to my peak form and especially to my peak dancing abilities. The next one is RAW. Might require some attention span, depending on who watches, but if you want to see me RAW... it has a proper, slow build-up (like any good stories) - and isn't this Instagram straight to the crazy high energy hooky kinda thing. This next one I love so much simply because of the song being called Line of Sight (by Odesza). And look at that damn line of light / sight in my window! So much fucking meaning and beauty in that connection. Last one. This song always makes me emotional. Not that the other ones doesn't. This one has a softness in it. The first, third and fourth videos are music by Odesza. The second one is by a smaller artist called BleedingXHeart. --- As I become more successful, I will have more resources (money) to increase the production level, by a lot! CRAZILY A LOT! Some key points about dancing: My dancing is a style that I've developed my whole life. It is unique to me. The style is very subtle. It's not like breakdance where you have all these big, power moves. My dance is all about the details. It has a bigger picture to it of course but the details are what makes it. I mostly do freestyling. I find it most raw. That's how I can express the most raw emotions. I hate choreographies because after repeating the same ol moves a hundred times, it has completely sucked the emotion out of it. Heck, even repeating it 3 times gets dry. But I do often have like a structure / idea / outline in my freestyles. And definitely something / some message / some emotion that I want to express. Finally, dancing is extremely effortless for me. All these clips were taken in an 1 hour freestyling session. Meaning, I didn't spent any time preparing any choreos for it. And keep in mind, my dancing is rusty, since I've been busy experimenting with other stuff the past years (more below). And I am also nowhere near my peak dancing ability. Perhaps in 10 years. This is why I would say that this is my most unique strength. Or an unfair advantage if you may. It also doesn't hurt that I look beautiful The Instagram post that I shared first is definitely much closer to the vision than these raw dances. Since it has elements of the other parts as well like speaking, writing (both in the video but also in the caption), an insight that I'm sharing, somewhat deeper thoughts in the caption, editing, story etc... But it lacks for example film and acting, and it's very short.. This vision / life purpose is in a way fresh / new for me as I have been spending the past years exploring other stuff like coaching, public speaking, teaching, pure philosophy (too much influence by my past teachers like Osho, Owen Cook, Rupert Spira, Leo etc. & honestly just a lot of spiritual & self-help brainwashing But I've always been deep into this ''fresh'' vision of mine, as you can see in my dancing skills. I have always been into film and beauty as well. Ever since I was a teenager. I just took a break from all of it for the past 3 years to explore the above mentioned. Now I have been able to deconstruct (thanks Leo) so much spiritual & self-help brainwashing that I'm fully ready to get back into it. Feels like I am finally going back home. For example, I used to think that my emotional side was wrong because of spiritual brainwashing. So much beauty and depth was taken away because of it, especially as I am a very emotional being. I used to think that my ambitious side is wrong because desire is suffering!! I didn't even realize how creative I truly am until recently because of all that. Sorry about all the neglecting... my life purpose. My heart is with you fully this time! Don't get me wrong tho, I have learned a ton of wisdom and grown (to a level I would have never been able to without the teachings) from all of the teachings, that I'm going to be using in my vision and life purpose. The issue was that I took the traps of the teachings to my heart as well. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to write all these and share it with ya'll. I have wanted to but I haven't been sure where - also just haven't been this clear about the vision as well. Honestly, I kinda want to copy-paste this and make a whole new post sharing it somewhere so as many people sees, but I don't know if I can really do it anywhere. Perhaps in the Life Purpose sub-forum. Maybe as an Inspiration (excuse ) for others. But actually, it kinda can be very inspiring! --- --- --- I'll be updating ya'll in this post as I get more material & thoughts! I guess I'll turn this into my Life Purpose Journal!

@r0ckyreed I think you are going against conformity by suggesting this

This!!!!!! Some situations just need more aggression, and some people. Also, leaders, deeply passionate people, highly ambitious are more aggressive in nature. It’s a feature, not a bug.

The worst part is he also calls some of these girls INTELLIGENT, but will still cheat iF YoU hAve FRAME

And he deals specifically with Club Girls. Not just girls who go to club once a year because their friend had a bd. Regular Club Girls, who get wasted due to addiction and strong need to escape themselves.

LordFall is correct. I feel like I am quite happy in life. Very happy actually, yet I am inspired as hell to create amazing stuff for humankind, and to express myself profoundly. Leave a poweful positive impact on humanity. But I am very ambitious so it is hard for me to just sit still and be happy. If I was forced to do nothing, I would probably become unhappy. I guess I would practice hardcore meditation then, and challenge myself. But that is also Doing.

Owen gets results by massive volume and playing the long game: Hosting parties and networking etc. where he is seen as a big authoritative figure. He also needs rich friends to host massive parties with. For same day / night pulls, he is terrible. He is basically like a club promoter but he takes the girls from the club and invites into his own party where he is the star. This is not a realistic approach for most people getting into pick up. At the end of the day, Owen is physically way too unattractive for game to help him much. His only choice really is to do what he does, and hypnotize some girls to fall hard into his frame and lifestyle. That’s why he pushes frame so hard. The only way for him to get attraction is if manages to get some girls to lose all sensemaking.

When I was 25, I did hard-core serious game for a year and almost killed myself at the end from the misalignment of it (joke). But I got so sick of it I went into a relationship for 5 years lol. Now I am back being single but find it hard to practice PUA, as you know.

So he is basically a club promoter? You cant compare. Club promoter get laid a ton just for the social proof they have and the value they offer club girls. Also, he has done that for a living for god knows how many years. He is basically a professional at talking to girls, bumping their state, and leading then to clubs and giving them a good time. That is far away from a natural who is not a professional at it. The best combo is someone who is a natural but also learned game. That would probably be me. Todd’s technique and lines when used in good taste, just amplified my natural charisma, my ability to lead and close. But again, as I said, if you do not have the inner game and charisma down, he will just make you worse. Now, a non natural but master at PUA or natural who has not learned game? Probably the natural. Depending on many factors.

Where did he say this? But yeah I wouldnt be surprised with his game style. It’s all so superficial fun that leads to nothing meaningful and deep.

@hundreth oh yeah, I have studied him before but it’s been years so I didn’t remember his name correctly.

Different game styles fits different personalities. With Vladimir’s style, it is all fun and games in the moment but doesn’t mean it sticks and the number is actually solid. But that being said, I agree Todd’s game is try-hard if you don’t mix it with proper inner game and charisma. Btw, do you know why Vladimir stopped posting?

This right here is how a mature, sustainable relationship that is healthy and based on honesty is built. How many of you are capapble of such level dating of dating? How many of you can actually be this honest and vulnerable? How many of you are actually aware of the level of manipulation and projection you do when dating? I can tell from my experience of dating like this for the past 6 months: painful as fuck. Not a single girl is willing to be Nearly this open, honest and vulnerable. And I go on many dates. All the PUA dating advices we talk here come nowhere close to what real dating is. PUA is children’s game, albeit a practical one as men are so lonely it is better to get short term intimacy (that often leads to hurting the girl), than nothing. But this right here is the real adult, mature dating. If Leo were to make a guide on dating based on truth, it would probably resemble this a lot. And so, I would like to hear all the adults of the community commenting on this. @Emerald @Leo Gura @Natasha Tori Maru and others. I wonder how far away we are from this kind of dating? Probably 50 years at least. My dating ”results” is basically 0 because I try to practice this level of honesty and vulnerability as much as possible. Sometimes I get frustrated, put on my dark game, and pull a girl almost instantly. It is shockening and heartbreaking to know how unconscious humanity is. I am writing this in a hurry, will check errors and typos later.

When it comes to dancing and especially hip hop, the key is to listen carefully to the music and see how my body expresses both the gross and the subtle forms of the beats. That’s where the beauty lies in hip hop. In other form of music, perhaps expressing the emotions and lyricals of the song becomes more important. Btw, this thread was creating a long time ago. It’s not really my main purpose anymore but a part of it.

I have practiced Todd’s game before. It works wonders if you actually have the inner game and social charisma down. It is just manipulative and fake as hell — the opposite of being genuinely you. If you don’t have the inner side down, his game makes you a nerd. Overly stuck in your head and even more rigid than before. @Ulax What are your concrete results, when practicing Todd’s game?

Notice how all of your attitudes and framing of the whole conversation is: - Miguel is wrong. He is stuck. He needs this and that to grow. - You guys are right, and as a group, it is easier to be right together. Everything I say or do is looked at through this filter. I am being overly praised for simple, normal honesty and vulnerability here (because it fits your frame). And overly criticized for anything that goes against your narrative. All I ask for is total honesty and openess in relationships. How can this be so hard to grasp in such a forum? What would a really conscious relationship look like to you? How would you go about building it, if there was zero or minimal manipulation at play?

You do not need to be a jerk when you are being honest. Just think: what kind of relationships (whether friendship, romantic or business) we would build if the central gravity of society was SD Yellow / Turquoise? Now this is an extreme example, but it is just to make a point. This is honestly so obvious to me I cannot believe how some of you fight against this so hard. One of my main reasons coming to this forum is to discuss more conscious form of relationships. If we clearly disagree this badly, it might be better I step down. I am not interested in endless arguing and conversations that lead nowhere. It is very clear we disagree on the fundamentals. Are you fully honest, open and vulnerable with a stage orange normie? No. Do you want to build a deep meaningful relationship with them? No, unless you are stuck there. Some of you are clearly stuck in orange and optimizing for that life, and that is fine, but don’t come with all your rationalizations and defenses when discussing more conscious form of relationships. Some of you are clearly just in denial. I have yet to see a proper argument against this form of relating, other than if you try to optimize for attraction with normies.

This one is just to showcase my raw dancing skills. Hip hop gets the best out of my skills but it has no story. It’s just cool 🔥🔥🔥 https://www.instagram.com/reel/Db0z0HFiiGs/?igsh=MWV0ZzN1dnJkMW5rZg==

Lol. These ”holier than thou” projections and backhanded compliments are getting ridiculous.