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This is me, I literally live in front of an ocean. Just need few more years to call myself middle-aged

Nobody said that. But yes, it is a spectrum. Some people value one over the other. Sometimes a lot more than the other.

My pleasure. Thank you for being a good leader and a role model.

Just some practical issues I’ve run into in my past dating normies: - Even if she can kinda put up with my spiritual nonsense and ignore the milliong ways I threatened her ego (not intentinally but just for example via my public work or life purpose), her friends and her family definitely cannot. - How do you build a mutual vision together if your deep thoughts don’t align? You wouldn’t want to date a red stage girl, so why date a normie in my position who has extensively exhausted it? - What if we build a business together? - Forget business, but just a vision for our mutual life together? - What about children? How do we align in how to raise children, it I want to teach the children about consciousness, biases and self-deception, and becoming a truly good person — and she finds all this shit just as a threat to her own ego? There’s so much more issues dating a normie. What if we discuss movies / series we watch together? Am I gonna hold back 80% of my real thoughts? What kind of relationship / intimacy is that? What about just big events in society like the Israel-Palestine? Will I just give her the socially accepted / virtue signaling thought? What kind of fake intimacy is that?

I understand. As long as you give it all to me, once per year. Being a moderator for a bunch of spiritual weirdos is hard work

The issue is not just emotional intimacy and intellectual intimacy. But CONSCIOUSNESS intimacy. How conscious is she of her own psyche and possibly spirit? If she isn’t very self-aware of her biases and self-deceptions, it’s hard to have that connection. And it’s hard to build a partnership for life, even just on a practical level.

Yes. And yes, that’s the goal. Spiritual ring.

This horny dog. This is what happens when you study a nerd like Todd

How do you expect me to find scientists as intelligent when I have been closely watching you shit extensively on them for years

Clearly you are watching God Leo @Leo Gura

Hence I distinctively said that I am not sure of being 100% sapiosexual. I don’t think I am as looks are still very important. 50-60% sapiosexual perhaps? Average looking girl is too unattractive to me. But if I had to choose average looking conscious girl as life partner vs stunning goddess who is an airhead, then the average girl 100%, anytime of the day,

Thank you. This one plus: I don’t know if I am fully a sapiosexual but I know that if a girl is physically stunning but she is an airhead, it feels like I am talking to a kid, to some degree. It doesn’t help that I’ve had so much empty sex that it isn’t that interesting to me anymore. P.S. This one should be shown to the members who don’t understand me and accuse me of having spiritual ego, more so than to be shown to me P.S.S. Why is your IG showing that to you? Is your algorithm listening to the shit we talk here?

Careful. You might be accused with a spiritual ego

Funnily enough, once I worked deeply on my traumas, my desire for pussy with randoms dropped correlatively.

Never forget that Owen is a marketer.

Hahahhahhhaahaha of course he says that. The younger the girl you want to attract, the more looks matter.

@Alexop Thank you for the message brother. I can sense it came deep from your heart. I am with you. I am around a lot of dancers (all hot girls pretty much) but the immaturity and amount of mental health issues is wild. Which is funny because Finland is considered to be the happiest country for like 5-10 years in a row, yet the suicide rate here is close to highest if not highest. We are probably the most anti social country and we struggle with loneliness the most. And as you said, women here are confused as hell, as the are no real men. They are going mad. Everyone is going mad. When a country becomes too liberal and progressive, and it lacks a solid conservative foundation, everyone goes fucking mad. Our politicians makes racist jokes and we become the laughing stick of the world. Anyway, I love dancing and football. Football has only guys. Dancing has only girls. But I would not date pretty much any of the girls in the circles. That’s the only thing I disagree with you. There’s no way I will find my life partner in my hobbies. It has to be in a condensated place of conscious individuals. Oh and Hinge. I’ve got some success by using its paid filtering system. You can filter really hard, all the way to your religion being ’spiritual’. It takes a lot of time to find some potentials but at least it’s way faster than approaching 1000 random girls in the street. But my looks def help me in the Hinge game.

@meta_male Thank you brother.

If I said this in the dating subforum, I would be labelled as a spiritual narcissist

@meta_male The whole point of dating a conscious person, is so that there is no unhealthy drama. At least a lot. And yes, a break would be good for me. This thread was just supposed to be me getting more clarity on that. Thank you for the sympathy.

My high level of selfisnhess definitely got me great results back then. Especially with my ego / cockyness. But I don’t think I am turning it on myself. Real spiritual work is just that hardcore, masochist. This requires a specific kind of mind to do this work seriously. Hence most people don’t do it. I have no responsibility for unconscious girls / people, but that doesn’t mean I should take advantage of their unconsciousness. And besides, I care deeply about making humanity a more conscious place, so their unconsciousness is in some way my responsibility as well. There are bigger people and then smaller people. The bigger people should take care of the smaller, to whatever extent they can.

I suggest people who do understand me, to jump on a call with me and we can discuss this deeply in one sitting, very deeply. This format here on the forum is very exhausting and all over the place, as there’s so many people answering. People don’t read everything. People answer spontaneously. People comment throughout the day, in the middle of their work day and then lose their deep thoughts after returning to work. People read these and answer while in God knows what emotional state. All these make this conversation extremely hard to have. We need to sit down in one setting and set aside potentially 2-3 hours and discuss it all throughly. When I started this thread, I didn’t intend this to be so extensive and deep. It was just a release of emotional burden. I intended it to be fairly casual.

@meta_male I feel like I have answered these questions so many times it is getting exhausting. Of course nobody is perfect in self-awareness but there is levels to this. This should be obvious. And obviously I am not looking for my copycat. I am quite burned out, yes, hence I’m taking a break and this thread. There are so many things you have to compromise when dating a normie. I feel like people who ask this question do not have extensive experince dating a normie. So many things to watch out for in what you say and do without triggering their ego defence mechanisms. And not only theirs but their friends’ and families’. How deep can your relationship and intimacy go? How much peace and how much drama? How can you trust a person with your life who is so unconscious (please don’t take this as me having a spiritual ego. I don’t have a better way to describe said people)? How can you have a partnership for life with such person?

@Natasha Tori Maru Thank you for trying though. Let’s try again. What is it exactly that you want to ask me? I feel like nothing I answer is good enough, unless I give what you guys actually want to hear.

Thank you brother.