Miguel1

Oh my fucking God.

Imagine not having the balls to cold approach women and thus, having to make yourself feel better by rationalizing that the best way (cold approach) to build a strong, grounded and masculine character is ”avoiding the growth”. Seriously, I would be extremely ashamed of such escapism and rationalizations. This is so fucking weak. Pure weakness. Wake the fuck up. ”Imagine thinking most gorgeous women are actually worth your time just by virtue of their being gorgeous.” You are fucking running away from growth like a wimp here bro.

You are overthinking it. The point is not to put the girl on a pedestal, and instead, treat the conversation ligthly. Crack jokes, self-amuse and have a positive vibe around them. Nothing serious and heavy. There is no need to prove and qualify yourself.

Btw Leo, Do you have a comprehensive list of the unethical stuff of PUA and game somewhere? Maybe your old video about pickup? Maybe in one episode of the more recent 3-part how to get laid series? Maybe a blogpost? I have reflected a ton on the ethics of my own game throughout the years but chances are there are stuff I have missed, so I would want to reflect on your points. Especially since your analysis on the ethics of game would probably be the best out of all there is, due to your deep experience both in consciousness work and also in game.

If I emotionally connect to with girl, even better because then I enjoy it much more. Which in turn makes everything easier and smoother because there are just natural joyful and meaningful topics to talk about + ”inside jokes”. But yes, I can seduce a girl to connect with me even when I am not necessarily connecting with her as much.

Owen's approach is the opposite of the sniper approach. How do you even mass approach like Owen in a market? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Good luck trying the route of not approaching. I wonder how's that going for 80% of guys out there. To be honest, just the fact you took my estimated 5-10k approaches as a brag is already a sign you are not very experienced, so this is a pointless talk if your premise is that you know what you are talking about. 5-10k approaches is not even that much. And the fact that I said a number with relatively such a big gap, means I'm just completely estimating. I have no idea how much I've really approached. And the whole point of throwing that number out is to communicate that I've done this for a LONG time, and NOT to brag about it. My goodness. And I have no idea what you are even trying to conversate about anymore anyways. We can end our conversation here.

Dude. This has been what I've said this whole damn thread. I've been saying to just approach, socialize with everyone, have fun, and don't overthink. What are you on to? In fact, 200 posts out of my 240 posts on this forum have been just telling guys to go out to socialize, let go, and have fun. And trying to figure out whether someone is good in game with their lay % is a sign you don't know what good game is, for the reasons mentioned above in another comment.

That would make sense. Maybe he should go have sex with a scientifically created sex robo.

This is a pointless question. 1. Whatever answer I give you, can only either demotivate you or set too high expectations for yourself, which leads to demotivation. 2. I am probably somewhat of a natural and my personality type is ENFJ, which is like the most ideal or at the very least, top 3 for game and socialization. I am also gifted with pretty good looks. 3. I have no clue how many girls I have even approached, hence I wrote such a big gapped number, 5-10k. I never counted. I was approaching girls for years before even knowing that people counted approaches, or even wrote infields. And even if I had counted, say I approach a group of 10 girls, is that 1 girl or 10 girls approached? 4. Most of my lays came after a long period of not much results. Extremely steep learning curve. So the lay % of my last year compared to my first year(s) is day and night. Why does counting the average % in this case even matter?

@Squeekytoy Exactly. Besides, women have ”nut needs” too. They get very horny, especially during ovulation. Also, if you are a man who is getting lots of sex… I find that oftentimes I am being sexualized and ”used” as a sex object by the girls I meet and approach. At the very least, happens to me more often than I do to girls. In fact, I never even use girls as a sperm dump because I don’t have to due to abundance. I treat them with respect.

What you give the other is a fun time. That is completely different than all these provider stuff that frankly, just comes across compensative and needy in the beginning. They come across like you have something to prove to the girls. And this is the opposite of fun.

Of course it is worthwhile. How is it not? How is approaching in a concert where you go fairly rarely more effective? Or even a yoga class where you can't really hit on that many girls because you will build a reputation there then. Especially since you can't fuck-up your social calibrations as you can in a club. If I go out a weekend and approach 10-50 girls, I can convert that to so many dates for the next week that I don't even have time for. On top of pulling girls home the same night oftentimes. If I started from zero, I would say that in a month or two, I would have so many girls that I'm seeing regularly (once every week or every other week), that I wouldn't even have time to go on dates with new girls. How the hell is cold approaching not 100x more effective? Not only that, but it develops you as a man, as a strong charismatic character.

Girls do not expect anything serious if you do not lead them on when you meet them / are on a date with them. You don't need to explicitly talk about it. Unless you have serious experience in this, at least have the decency to not talk like you are an expert.

All this is just avoiding the thing you need to do the most. Just focus on even getting sex first before you push for the stuff that comes afterwards. If you need money to survive, you don’t focus on what is the best for humanity in the big picture.

Dude. 1. That has nothing to do with love. I’ve had amazing friends with benefits and there was no human-love involved. 2. No one suffers and no one is treated like a toy when having sex with me. Stop this crap.

Are you sure he said? I must have missed this too.

Bullshit. I’ve had too many ONS where sex has been good. A lot of them are not good but it’s not because there is no love. It’s simply because you don’t know each other sexually that well yet.

Guys, if you approach and talk to 1000 girls, all of this nonsense won't matter anymore. So do that first. Coming from a guy who has approached 5-10k girls.

Of course social calibration is key. Not caring about what people think of you simply means here that you are not afraid of rejections. You are proactive. You approach people. But don’t be an idiot.

This. Let go of things you can't control and focus on your life purpose. That's how you will help solve the problems of humankind the best.

I have everything else I want in life, except a fulfilling career that is successful (yet). I get a lot of joy (and get into flow often) from my work and I have beautiful visions for the future that sometimes makes me cry due to how beautiful it is. The work is also the most meaningful job I can possibly do.

This is not the case at all. With dating, the basic assumption is fun and casual in the beginning. Coming from a guy who has been on hundreds of dates.

Social skills itself is not the problem. The problem is the HUGE PILES AND LAYERS of self-defeating idealogies and beliefs + the endless approval and validation seeking and the caring of what people think of them. Aka, inner game. If you fix this, most of your problems will be gone when socializing. When I socialize, I am not doing anything fancy. For real, it’s like I am talking to my 10 year old sister. It’s a joke. My social success is mostly all just how grounded and positive my energy is. I am talking from experience on both ends.

The short answer is talk to everyone you see and build up your social state. And spread that fun energy.

Yes of course. But a girl with perfect boobs is still gonna have amazing boobs 10 years later no matter how much you grow up