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Celebrating new years
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The Spiral Dynamics model is not perfect, as no model is. But it is the best we have got to use.
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Thanks everyone for sharing your heart.
The culture here on the forum is such that we focus on very serious, cold truths and head-dominated facts.
It is very sweet to once in a while come together and remind each other that we are just fellow human beings here together on this journey to God.
With each having their own hardships and happier times, let us go to the next year with more clarity, inner peace, and joy.
Much love to ya’ll. Thank you for being part of this community.
Happy new years! ❤️
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5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:No shit, I got this notification as I drowning the giant peace lilly that was looking sad.
Bruh
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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:Yes, I will make that video. It will just take time because I got other videos planned first.
Translation: don’t expect it to come in at least a few years
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31 minutes ago, Davino said:Every serious product, service or innovation, necessitates a gear of truth seeking, whether it is niche or more holistic. That work is then included in the price and payed.
You are talking of a ”more conscious business”, not ripping yourself off of all fantasies and illusions (that directly affects your survival).
There’s levels to this game. Obviously.
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When I first got into Leo’s content, there’s no way I would have paid money for him to completely shatter all my survival fantasies.
Keep in mind that being a trip faciliator isn’t necessarily faciliating hard core truth-seeking.
You can awaken to God but remain a pervert. Just look at our spiritual teachers, and a certain podcaster!
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11 minutes ago, Davino said:I think you're being too reductionistic here. The reason I was pointing this out is because you can make a career about Truth-seeking, you can create the ecosystem for that to happen.
Please go ahead and elaborate on your thoughts.
It is easy to say such things if one is not proactively trying to make it happen, and to be engaging with people (and their core drive: survival).
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29 minutes ago, Entrepreneur said:I'd love to understand what you mean here. Are you just saying you don't meet many people that you feel you really connect with deeply?
I am exceptionally empathetic as you state you are. And I rarely find someone I connect with fully. But I don't attribute any of it to being conscious vs unconscious. I am wondering what you even mean by that. Can you please explain it to someone who doesn't understand it?
As an extreme example, think of a highly empathetic stage green person trying to connect with a very violent stage red person. How would the stage green person feel? Except in this case, the person doesnt even get triggered / angry at the lower developed person because they understand where they are at, and that that’s what they need.
So in a way, it’s almost a complete disengagement.
Another way you can look at it is how do you feel around children? Yeah they are cute, innocent, and all but there’s not much to connect with on a deeper level. On top of that, in this case the children are not cute, nor innocent, and they carry guns with lots of selfish and unconscious selfish drivers and triggers!
So it is not really a complete disengagement as you have to engage with them and their unconsciousness in order to survive, and try to do your best to help them grow up and clean up, otherwise they will cause massive suffering to everything and everyone on the planet.
Hope this answered you. And why don’t you take this moment, and express to us your current feelings and thoughts about your life, as we enter the new year?
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Currently I struggle deeply with integrating the unconsciousness of the world, as I become more conscious. I feel like as an extrovert, this work is much harder because I crave human connections much more than introverts. As the gap between me and the general gravity of the world grows further apart, it makes me more and more sad because of the lack of connection to anyone, especially in real life. Here on this forum, we have like-minded people but it will never be the same as having real life soul-friends to share small and big moments with.
Once in a blue moon, I meet a more solid stage green girl (who dont have too much inner baggage / or has healed them) to share intimate moments with, and that makes me happy. But to mee this person, I have to go through a lot of unconsciousness first. Too much.
On top of this all, I am most likely something along the lines of a highly sensitive person / highly empathetic person etc. I feel the pain of others’ and the world’s intimately deeply. An emotional sponge so to say. Probably the reason why I want to help the world so much. It is very existentially heavy to see so much pain and suffering around.
I also struggle deeply to make conscious business work. I have sacrificed almost everything to make it work, but the devil is always lurking around the corner tempting me with sweets. This is directly connected with the point above where the general gravity of people is at a level where it really is hard to reach them by being more conscious.
That being said, I am happy that I have kept loyalty to Truth, at least much better than I believed I could. I am happy that I have a really beautiful vision with very unique strenghts and traits to reach that — that I can bring something truly unique to the world.
I am proud of myself for growing so much throughout the years. So damn much. How can someone grow this much? I just turned 31 physically but I feel like I am way older mentally and emotionally. The deep inner work for the past 15 years, four extremely painful break-ups, the hard spiritual work and the constant facing of soul-crushing truths about life, human nature and finally, spiritual fantasies. My God. I am surprised I haven’t gone mad and killed myself!
That being said, all these has led me to an ever deeper connection to Truth, God, and Reality. Something I am most proud of.
I have a really beautiful small home on the highest floor (6th) with a full ocean view (near the centrum of Helsinki, which is very rare to have here or probably anywhere on that note). I have showered this home with so much love that it has blossomed into a graceful and elegant flower. It is my safe place.
I love how I treat my body. I live a very healthy lifestyle and that makes me happy.
I am grateful that I can make decent income and live very comfortably by doing work that is fairly conscious. It is just nowhere at the level where I would want to reach with my highly ambitious self. But let us take one step at a time. Many years left in my life.
Finally, I do have a best friend who is Dutch and lives in Amsterdam. His name is Olaf. He also follows the work we do here but not just on this forum. I love you brother, thank you for being my friend all these years and growing together.
How are you guys doing?
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Closing the year, I want this thread to be a safe place for you to share your true feelings, and to for example, share what you are currently struggling with the most? What is making you sad? Hopeless?
Is there something you are truly proud of and happy about? Maybe something you achieved this year?
Let us try to find more clarity and peace going into the new year.
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If I was fully authentic in my life, I would have to live in a cave.
That being said, I am able to be emotionally more authentic than most people due to not being a conformist sheep, and due to my deep inner work and connection to Truth.
This makes me attractive because I am grounded in my reality, calm, collected, confident and don’t take people’s shit almost at all. Yet I am empathetic because I have love for other beings.
This makes me a leader. And people love to follow a strong caring leader.
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I second this. I dance and play football (soccer) a lot.
Without stretching regularly, my body is super stiff, which affects mentally.
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2 hours ago, Joshe said:The correct order is: Safety -> Stability -> Passion -> Mastery
Not: Passion -> Grind -> Success -> Safety
It is not so black and white.
Passion pushes you through very tough times. It gets you to work at 110%.
But depending on your passion, who you are and your background, passion first might not be viable.
It is a case by case type of situation.
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@Ulax There’s levels to being an intellect. A politician and a serious philosopher trying to understand reality is a vast gap.
That being said, Conscious Politics is possibly only when you do serious meditative work.
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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:I think the most important takeaway from your OP is that working at a passion doesn't feel like work. It is about perception. Toiling at something we hate stretches time out into agony. Injecting yourself full force into passion feels like no effort at all. This is what it is like for me when I am painting; time stops. But my GOD is there a lot of work and effort involved in art. It is just, I do not perceive it that way. Not like how I perceive my construction job to be work, regardless of how much I have mastered it.
Lots of beautiful insights here on this thread.
For me, freestyle dancing is that passion where time disappears. My god I am passionate about that form of art, and can do it for hours every day even tho it is physically very taxing.
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@Joshe is correct here. Its good to be delusionally optimistic, but also its good to be aware of the real risks.
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Thank you for the time here. Godspeed!
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1 hour ago, fopylo said:And like while you walk, do you hold hands?
Ideally you escalate physically and emotionally all the way to when you start walking, holding hands becomes more natural.
You can also pull off no physical escalation, then suddenly hand holding but it requires more advanced skills.
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This person explains different ways power is / could be abused in academia.
I hope this video hasn’t been shared here ir in the blog before.
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This is a bit too much brother. You can practice healthier version of game. Not all game have to be full toxic devilry.
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52 minutes ago, Jannes said:I get the feeling you are a natural.
Very possible. My personality type is the most ideal for socializing, very charismatic naturally.
I recently went out with a long time lurker here on the forum. He said his mind was completely blown from observing me. He wrote a field report dedicated to me, we are just waiting for Leo to accept his registration request, so he can post it here.
We will see then if the report indicates stuff about my naturalness. I am curious to see. It is very different having someone observe me from afar, especially a more newbie vs me trying to observe myself. So many things I’ve taken for granted, and has become completely secone nature.
I have been in the game community from early 2010s, but mostly just watched infields and that was basically all my studies. No theories. I didnt even know there was such a thing as keeping count on the number of your approaches. I think I was at around 10k approaches before I even heard of it.
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One of my most favourite openers is not saying anything. Let my body language and vibe do the opening.
I love it cuz its just so something the girl has never seen.
But this works only in specific situations.
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Objective vs biased mind / Beautiful vs ugly mind:
You can literally see in the eyes and behaviour of people in this situation. Open-minded, objective people move gracefully, they have calm and love in their eyes.
Biased people are full of knee-jeek reactions, defenses and triggers. The more biased, the worst this is.

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Posted · Edited by Miguel1
You are misunderstanding Spiral Dynamics if you think that higher stages means superior.
It is higher yes, but not superior in the sense of ’I am better than thou’.
A higher stage simply means more complex, holistic, and integrated. The lower you go, the simpler the mind is. At the lowest it literally is: kill or be killed.