Miguel1

The worst part is he also calls some of these girls INTELLIGENT, but will still cheat iF YoU hAve FRAME

And he deals specifically with Club Girls. Not just girls who go to club once a year because their friend had a bd. Regular Club Girls, who get wasted due to addiction and strong need to escape themselves.

LordFall is correct. I feel like I am quite happy in life. Very happy actually, yet I am inspired as hell to create amazing stuff for humankind, and to express myself profoundly. Leave a poweful positive impact on humanity. But I am very ambitious so it is hard for me to just sit still and be happy. If I was forced to do nothing, I would probably become unhappy. I guess I would practice hardcore meditation then, and challenge myself. But that is also Doing.

Owen gets results by massive volume and playing the long game: Hosting parties and networking etc. where he is seen as a big authoritative figure. He also needs rich friends to host massive parties with. For same day / night pulls, he is terrible. He is basically like a club promoter but he takes the girls from the club and invites into his own party where he is the star. This is not a realistic approach for most people getting into pick up. At the end of the day, Owen is physically way too unattractive for game to help him much. His only choice really is to do what he does, and hypnotize some girls to fall hard into his frame and lifestyle. That’s why he pushes frame so hard. The only way for him to get attraction is if manages to get some girls to lose all sensemaking.

When I was 25, I did hard-core serious game for a year and almost killed myself at the end from the misalignment of it (joke). But I got so sick of it I went into a relationship for 5 years lol. Now I am back being single but find it hard to practice PUA, as you know.

So he is basically a club promoter? You cant compare. Club promoter get laid a ton just for the social proof they have and the value they offer club girls. Also, he has done that for a living for god knows how many years. He is basically a professional at talking to girls, bumping their state, and leading then to clubs and giving them a good time. That is far away from a natural who is not a professional at it. The best combo is someone who is a natural but also learned game. That would probably be me. Todd’s technique and lines when used in good taste, just amplified my natural charisma, my ability to lead and close. But again, as I said, if you do not have the inner game and charisma down, he will just make you worse. Now, a non natural but master at PUA or natural who has not learned game? Probably the natural. Depending on many factors.

Where did he say this? But yeah I wouldnt be surprised with his game style. It’s all so superficial fun that leads to nothing meaningful and deep.

@hundreth oh yeah, I have studied him before but it’s been years so I didn’t remember his name correctly.

Different game styles fits different personalities. With Vladimir’s style, it is all fun and games in the moment but doesn’t mean it sticks and the number is actually solid. But that being said, I agree Todd’s game is try-hard if you don’t mix it with proper inner game and charisma. Btw, do you know why Vladimir stopped posting?

When it comes to dancing and especially hip hop, the key is to listen carefully to the music and see how my body expresses both the gross and the subtle forms of the beats. That’s where the beauty lies in hip hop. In other form of music, perhaps expressing the emotions and lyricals of the song becomes more important. Btw, this thread was creating a long time ago. It’s not really my main purpose anymore but a part of it.

I have practiced Todd’s game before. It works wonders if you actually have the inner game and social charisma down. It is just manipulative and fake as hell — the opposite of being genuinely you. If you don’t have the inner side down, his game makes you a nerd. Overly stuck in your head and even more rigid than before. @Ulax What are your concrete results, when practicing Todd’s game?

Notice how all of your attitudes and framing of the whole conversation is: - Miguel is wrong. He is stuck. He needs this and that to grow. - You guys are right, and as a group, it is easier to be right together. Everything I say or do is looked at through this filter. I am being overly praised for simple, normal honesty and vulnerability here (because it fits your frame). And overly criticized for anything that goes against your narrative. All I ask for is total honesty and openess in relationships. How can this be so hard to grasp in such a forum? What would a really conscious relationship look like to you? How would you go about building it, if there was zero or minimal manipulation at play?

You do not need to be a jerk when you are being honest. Just think: what kind of relationships (whether friendship, romantic or business) we would build if the central gravity of society was SD Yellow / Turquoise? Now this is an extreme example, but it is just to make a point. This is honestly so obvious to me I cannot believe how some of you fight against this so hard. One of my main reasons coming to this forum is to discuss more conscious form of relationships. If we clearly disagree this badly, it might be better I step down. I am not interested in endless arguing and conversations that lead nowhere. It is very clear we disagree on the fundamentals. Are you fully honest, open and vulnerable with a stage orange normie? No. Do you want to build a deep meaningful relationship with them? No, unless you are stuck there. Some of you are clearly stuck in orange and optimizing for that life, and that is fine, but don’t come with all your rationalizations and defenses when discussing more conscious form of relationships. Some of you are clearly just in denial. I have yet to see a proper argument against this form of relating, other than if you try to optimize for attraction with normies.

This one is just to showcase my raw dancing skills. Hip hop gets the best out of my skills but it has no story. It’s just cool 🔥🔥🔥 https://www.instagram.com/reel/Db0z0HFiiGs/?igsh=MWV0ZzN1dnJkMW5rZg==

Lol. These ”holier than thou” projections and backhanded compliments are getting ridiculous.