Miguel1

Yes, at some point, the question leads to: why be a human? Why be alive when one could go back and bask in finite consciousness?

I highly doubt Leo’s deepest insights would ever get virality. And even if it does, it’s because of some dumb shit like his bookshell had the book ONLYFANS or something like that. Even if he did go viral, 99.9% of his new followers wouldn’t stick for his real work, and will only make his account’s algorithm bad, as he will have a lot of shadow followers, who don’t engage.

Think about an ant. How much it works, fights and suffers its whole life.. just for you to step on it. Do you care? Does it even register in your mind? So why should a higher intelligent being care about your suffering?

I rather we have higher moral development and no awakenings, than awakening and no moral development. This is why we should take care of our basics first and develop one step at a time. And also why we should not delve into psychedelic work too soon, as it would be a boost in our consciousness into deep awakenings, yet our psyche is not developed enough to handle and integrate them, possibly leading to backfire and our development dropping. I got into spirituality when I was a teen, and I went balls deep into it at that age, when I should have been out playing and socializing. The results? The biggest zen devil who was using every possibly spirituap rationalization to boost my pick up journey. ”Suffering is the best teacher, so I can hurt girls because it will boost them into spiritual work.” ”Taking advantage of girls is good, because it will teach them a lesson on attachment and push them to drop their ego” It was fucking endless devilry dressed in good.

Leo has explained this so much already?

God experiences all. There are life forms where God has it much worse and life forms where God has it much better.

Welcome to the forum. It wasn’t always like this. The forum had to go extensive transformation of banning all trolls and extremely low quality posters, and switching to a system where new members are not accepted immediately, to get to where we are. This way, it also attracts and encourages the higher quality members to also stay and to be active.

I dont have time to write more in-depth answer for you but your writing just made me think that I'm grateful I went through the pickup phase all the way, when my moral development was still low. If I had to do it now, it would be way fucking harder.

Women too, if you come dressed up as a kangaroo

Most girls need that power dynamic. They need to feel like they are chasing, which makes the guy feel special to them. It's immature and unconscious monkey behavior, but what to do. That's why we have this thread and Leo's answer to it.

This thread is antithetical to the work here. Not everything Leo says is right. A lot, but definitely not everything.

Attraction needs to be maintained all the time but the deeper you are in the relationship, the less sharp your game needs to be. Also, depends on the girl. I only end up in relationship with more mature girls, so with them, love & empathy goes a long way. But to answer your question, in general: girls are willing to put up with shitty behavior way more (as long as they are attracted to you) compared to receive good behaviour, when they are not attracted to you. So in that sense, game is more superior. But again, game doesn't need to be as on point, when you have deepened your relationship with her.

Yeah, I never heard of Sam before either. On a quick look, doesn't seem to be someone to look up to. But in typical Owen's fashion, he surrounds himself with corrupted and unconscious people, as long as they are rich and famous.

Haha, when I put on charismatic push-pull seductive game on vs I treat women as humans and with love and empathy from the get-go, the results are day and night. It's fucking miserable but not surprising at this point in my life anymore.

I just don’t see that an average woman would prefer to be leading over an average man, even in a situation where both are conscious and wise. It is in the feminine’s nature to be present, to be in nature and nurturing the gardens, to be smelling the flowers, baking, making their home beautiful, and to be playing with the kids, and to feel good and to nurture their environment. Of course there are exceptions. You seem to be enjoying a leadership position. Men create and lead. Women follow from behind, and make the creation more beautiful. Men create the bakery factory machine and system running it. Women add the finishing touch to the finished product by adding a cherry on top the cake, and by packaging it. Men build houses, women make them homes. Men build supporting pillars to society. Women give life to it.