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From my perspective a lot of this is actually stage red disguising as orange, I think actual orange stuff are many of those motivational speeches, Steve Jobs, lots of scientists, atheists, liberals, but they do have strong ethics. According to my observation most often their perspective on climate change is not denial but that technology will fix it. Many also think technology will solve all of our diseases, including ageing. Denial of it is also denial of science, which is more of a blue thing (even though a lot of scientists are blue and not all people in blue are denying climate change). A lot of Leo's older content might have orange aspects according to my observation (many mentions of the word success are an example of that). After all this is just my point of view, and there are other equally valid points of view

Just wondering, are sweet potatoes alright as a main source of carbs? Eating more than a bit of anything else containing carbs gives me horrible brain fog, bad focus, depressive feelings, anxiety, vision problems, hallucinations, joint pain, exhaustion, etc.

Can ASMR contribute to spiritual growth or is it just masturbation? Some people say the latter about psychedelics as well, I'm aware there are two "camps" in that regard, even though I'm not going to make any judgement here. Everyone has their own path, for my psychedelics is porbably not a good idea because I've have suffered from psychosis and it might re-trigger it. I can't know for sure , but I don't want to risk it. Meditation does a great job for me so I'll take the safer but slower path in that regards. I'm wondering if ASMR can help too... it feels good, it's much easier than meditation because you have to face less demons... and this is where it makes me doubt if it is as effective for achieving spiritual growth. I mean aside from when one is searching for a healthy coping mechanism to relax after stressful situations or as a backup for the few moments meditation is too difficult (for example right after the loss of a dear friend).

I just stumbled upon this: Would a jaguar be experiencing awakening on ayahuasca?

@Nahm true it arises "now", like all what I say here, there are no words what can actually describe "it". (ego defending itself) If "I were in that state right now", there would be no I writing this here. Even though there is no now and then it's all "eternity". I can only point to "this", everything I say here can be further deconstructed to infinity. I could put every word between quotation marks, but those are a construction too. The only reason I'm writing this right now is ego, "I". It's selfish, it loves feedback. It loves to have the last word as well. It feels threatened when being "corrected" and gets a dopamine rush from a forlorn attempt to defend what it has said. It feels pride in admitting this all, etc. But everything is alright. Back to meditation practice

Hi everyone, I thought I've already had ego dissolution experiences, but now realized these were awakenings (and beyond) but not full enlightenment. Never have I taken any psychedelic, however I meditate several hours a day. Nonetheless the experience I want to talk about happened spontaneously, not during or after meditation. I think it was triggered by sleeping 1 night on the countryside (while visiting my mom) as I'm used to sleeping in the city. With the previous awakening experiences it felt like all is well, it made me understand Plato's cave metaphor and often I got "love-bombed" by the universe. However there was still a bit of self left to understand anything I experienced, a self which could feel how great it all felt. When I woke up yesterday morning, there was no self to have any thought, no self to understand anything, no self which could suffer or be happy. Nor there was any desire, comfort, discomfort, content or discontent. I became a full observer, full consciousness. Otherwise nothing really special happened. I went downstairs to pee and upstairs to go to sleep again. However there was no peeing, no toilet or stairs, or bed, there was only "what is" so to say (not even the word). There was no free will either. However waking up a second time I was in a lower state of consciousness, I'd say at a "awaking level", but before the "love bombing of the universe", which happens somewhere in between. Coming back from this I realize I have seen a glimpse of what people like tony Parsons are talking about all the time. Or what Bernadette Roberts talks about having experienced. Note that during the experience itself, there is no self to realize or understand anything. I'm interested to hear about other similar experiences.

Any distinction between imagining and existing are still a duality (or any other distinction), no words could describe it, but the closest you could get is: consciousness is. Without everything after it. If there is anything after it, it is not pointing to truth. Even though truth itself cannot be spoken as it would require it to depend on the construct of language.

I think somewhere I conditioned myself to let all the clouds of pain, traumas, hurt, fear, shame, etc. go over me and just stand there as a mountain of consciousness, not affected. I used to search for escapism in all the things I did, but by falling into some traps I've become sort of "spiritually masochistic", not real masochism, rather being thankful for all the problems in my life because they give me opportunities to learn/grow and embrace them with love, or just pure observation when I don't receive the love bombing of the universe. I try not to force it an let everything come by itself, more like this: Love, OK. No love, OK. Happiness, OK. No happiness, OK. Problem? Solution, OK. No solution, OK. Comfort, OK. No comfort, OK. Torture, OK. No torture, OK.

I have encountered similar situations, there is a term for this. It's called "flying monkeys". It could be described as a "narcissist" using "empaths" to feed their feeling of control. This could also be worded as "stage red" in spiral dynamics using the higher 1 stages within tier 1 to feed their feeling of control. Parallels could be seen how Trump (stage red) uses stage blue and orange to win the elections. I'd say not to try to prove anything, just live your own live, try to detach yourself from the judgement of the neighbors. You don't have to prove them anything, you don't have to prove yourself anything (in both the dualistic and non-dualistic sense). Everything is alright the way it is. Trying to control this is an ego behavior as well. Same source as where your ex toxicity comes from. Let them think what think, let them say what they say. You are a rock, you are consciousness. You cannot be touched by this. If you believe you can it may appear as this, but ultimately this is an illusion. Don't react, it will feed the ego game. It will feed your ego. Play gray rock towards your neighbors and your ex might notice their source of narcissistic supply is running dry and moves on (to feed on your neighbors or somebody else).

Most of metal is SD stage red, some of it is blue, even less is orange and barely any green. However thanks to a friend I recently stumbled upon this band which is handling topics of non-duality:

@Roy I don't think it's actual stage read, it's clear it's meant as metaphorical humor, just like the album name AEnima which mean soul in Latin but also Enema. I have a "stage turquoise" roommate (he doesn't really care about SD, he just sees it as another system that might be valuable for some people, but has no value for him) and we have this kind of (often existential) poop humor as well. For example we often joke about having a coprosaurus living in our basement and having to feed it.

Makes me think "ASPD" might be not entirely tied to stage red in the spiral dynamics model. I've seen other people discussing this possibility, but I wasn't convinced until I saw this video. I might be entirely or partially wrong here. Nonetheless something I recommend to watch.

From my perspective and experience an important culprit for many diseases in our western diets besides sugar is excess glutamate, it can be found in things like dairy, wheat, MSG. Cutting out those made a day and night difference for my mental health, and even brought me a week long ego dissolution experience. Besides that, cutting it out of your diet will burn a lot of fat.

Maybe it's worth looking into methylation, have you tested your methylation status? Methylation plays a critical role in how people react to SSRI's

Most of the extreme music scene is deep stage red.

Hey, I had feeling of oneness with all several, but somehow until now I never successfully let go of the idea of the "universe" as a physical thing which is infinitely bigger than us. I always kept explaining these experiences to myself like if it's being one with "what's out there". There is nothing "out there". There is "universe" as ego-concept of spacetime. However I was now able to fully let go of that. I'm already omniscient. Everything "what is" is the universe. Thoughts, theories, visualizations, words, the senses, suffering, questions, the imagination of death, are content of the "what is" is beyond words, beyond shape or form, beyond time, beyond space, perfect beyond even the concept of perfection. Thanks Leo, thanks everyone here. Thanks to God, thanks to myself.

Growth is always possible. Not seeing this is a form of dogma. Autism, ASPD, Pedophilia, not being curable is a very orange way of thinking: "it's a disorder, it's incurable" And so the prophecy is fulfilled. When I was a child I was diagnosed with Aspergers as well as other disorders, and I've dwelled in stage red for most of my life, at least on an emotional level. Also I felt attracted towards men and I was having a lot of sex with different men. Not that any sexual orientation is wrong, but I was often putting myself in danger, even being raped several times and another time I've caught a bug. Cognitively I was rather green, but this gave me some eco-fascist ideas... think of Varg Vikernes. Several years ago I had one foot in blue because I converted to Christianity. I wanted to better my life after I remembered my Christian stepmother giving me some hints before that. On an emotional level I was gradually becoming blue, but I had to crawl back my cognitive understanding of logic and science in order to fit in the blue dogma, also I developed some internal homophobia. Even thought I don't identify with any of those ideas anymore, I'm still thankful for myself because It reduced my risk taking behavior. Note that my stepmother was not homophobic at all, I feel like she dwells on the border with orange as I can use logic with her. At that time I also made statements that returning to the ways of Christ will solve the climate crisis. At some point, because I had serious gut issues I cut gluten, diary, MSG and processed foods out of my diet. I added fatty fish, MCT oil, zinc supplements. It gave me an ego dissolution experience for one week, my internal homophobia went away, my interest in video games as well, etc. I felt loss of all desire, seeing of the truth which is beyond words, the "reason" for suffering, I felt infinite love and awareness beyond my body, to the point the whole universe became one. Also my sexual attraction shifted towards women, but I'm way less interested in sex in general. Not judging anything that came before. Now knowing what to work towards and having more mental headroom, I gradually worked my way through orange. I was kinda over-labeling myself and others with things like narcissism n stuff, making statements that more technology will solve the climate crisis. However, recently being pushed to green due to the onset of electrohypersensitivity. forcing me to abandon a lot of orange "luxuries", making me see how empty and damaging they are. How Elon Musk is a danger to this planet, how electric cars are again an excuse from orange to cling to our luxury. I can think yellow most of the time, learning about spiral dynamics, seeing a bigger picture that what I just said is only partial truth, that even orange is not bad and has freed us from the most "toxic" form of dogma, which on his turn has freed us from the most "toxic" form of ego, it's all a process. Also I realized to solve our climate crisis we need a bit of all tiers, not just green. Furthermore I noticed how suffering pushes forward. I meditate A LOT and I'm able to since I'm on benefits. Often I have second tier experiences, but no way have I integrated this stuff yet.

@RendHeaven it's a valid perspective perhaps a "higher" one than the one I stated, but a yellow perspective is valid too. Also I noticed people Schizoid Personality "Disorder" have an extremely good vibe. Like insanely good. A disorder is an orange perspective of course, it often makes people sick instead of helping them progress. Everything too far from orange is considered a disorder. Yellow could say they call stage red "ASPD" for example. From a yellow perspective Schizoid Personality "Disorder" could seem to be the antisocial equivalent in tier 2, and the burning away of the entire ego, which came into existence through red. Instead having to fake being able to control their ego to survive in our society, they have to fake having one in social situations. Of I am wrong about anything here, it's just an observation.

A possible trap of green and a bit beyond might be that through frequent use of psychedelics, it might have the illusion to have integrated higher stages of consciousness, while it has fallen back into "spiritual arrogance". This is not wrong, it's just an observation from my perspective. Maybe meditation, even though the hard way might be a good main focus, if using psychedelics only very rarely for exploration only. If you feel not entirely mentally stable, or if schizophrenia occurs in your family, STAY AWAY!! I'm curious to hear other perspectives. This video might also be of interest to you:

They cannot be described in the material sense, but they can be pointed to in an abstract sense. If one observes behavior of very wise people, or own ego death experiences they can be put into the same system, just a meta version: meta spirituality, meta antisocial, meta truth, meta reason for suffering and (r)evolution, meta love. Instead of alternating between individual and communal, they could be described as alternating between Collective and Universal: survival of the collective, universal spirituality, antisocial for the benefit of the collective, universal truth, physical suffering for the collective, universal love. I'd even hypothesize a third tier, which could be described as avatar-being, again repeating the same 6 stages, alternating between absolute and multiversal but as the meta of meta, etc. Of course still from a yellow perspective. But it could be re-integrated within the "superfluid" avatar-being. Only adding another dimension of "meta". If a person in yellow had these higher experiences themselves they themselves, could categorize them. There are serious shifts of consciousness going outside the body as much as it's there, without distinction. Of course it's all a yellow delusion, truth cannot be found until the ego is washed away. Including any theories, philosophies, spirituality, etc. Coral could be described as the complete burning of the ego. A short non-integrated coral experience could be described as the moment after a long meditation, where you don't feel like interacting with anyone. If your consciousness expands towards the room your in. Without thoughts, only flow, intuition, whatever you call it. and is as much the room your in as you, then it could be described as teal. If people interact with you in this state one tends to say: "This is, look and see." And either you stop there or you repeat the same phrase x number of times with a different word choice: "The truth is already so.", "I'm only pointing to truth, what is, is beyond words, beyond thought, beyond imagination", etc. I feel during his guided meditations, Mooji talks a lot of "Teal". My intuition tells me Deepak Chropra for example, seems in low "turquoise" most of the time. Jesus fasting for 40 days in the desert also seems like coral to me. I'd say the moment he evoked and accepted his own crucifixion, this might be even a tier beyond "teal". When the peace of this state is threatened he might have been forced up to an equivalent of orange within the second stage in which the reason of suffering is internalized, rather than reasoning is used in an attempt to escape suffering. The consious sacrifice of ones own body instead of the unconsious sacrifice of the health our ecosystem for progress. In my own life I'm mostly surrounded by second tier individuals, COVID-19 has forced me to keep the wisest people around me and they too did so. My room mate for example can sense I forgot the lock the door even if he never saw it. He can sense where his friends are, he already saw his own death, he had experience of seeing though a wall and actually seeing what's behind. He also knows not to tell such things to "stage orange". He can tell which people are "stage red", just be seeing their back. Even though he doesn't attach any value to the spiral dynamics system, because it's a system. Also he has a very intelligent vibe, but he tells me he barely thinks at all. He doesn't like to think or make strategies or plans, he just follows his intuitive flow. I feel he has a bit of resistance of even the letting go of this tho. Take this only as a guide, I'm wrong about everything here, but that's fine, that's how it's meant to be.

I'm aware SD is nonsense, but indeed it's a very handy tool. Regarding triggers: I feel like I can tolerate all first tier "stages", including "red". Blue often a bit more than the others because I'm able to word non-duality into Christian terms, there is actually some non-duality in the bible but it has degraded to blue stories. If you tell that to a blue person and then that whatever is, is, is meant to be, whatever is written there is meant to be. However it's being interpretated is meant to be. How this dualistic interpretation caused Jesus crucifixion had the power to move all of Europe to red to blue. They accept it. If I tell them how the paradise in the bible is stage purple and how there is no ego there yet. They accept it. If I tell them the apple is stage red and ego is synonymous to suffering, sin, hell, Satan, the devil, pain, desire, longing, hurt, etc. they accept it. If I tell them that the emergence of this happened for a reason. Whatever is, is meant to be. Suffering is meant for collective learning and to realize God, they accept it. When I tell them that God, omniscience is the universal field of consciousness which observes all, they accept it. If I tell them all judgement is a result of this ego mind looking for a purpose but judging everything which seems not following that purpose, and even though this is meant to be it has to be transcended and that this is why Jesus told us not to judge, to forgive and forget. They accept it. I have even had blue people telling me I must be a prophet or something. They also tel my I must be hyper intelligent or so. All of this is an illusion of course. I tell them whatever is meant to be said is said, even though all what we say, or think, including that I must be intelligent or a prophet is not true. Words can only point at truth. Even the word God is not true of itself, it's only referring towards the creator of existence, this is why it is different in all languages, for example in french it's Dieu. Even creator and existence are constructs of the ego mind, etc. I tell them the language of God is silence. They accept it. This is why I think some part of me is still a bit blue, especially emotionally. Also the reason why from time I'm still a bit preachy, especially when I'm stressed. It's all very interesting observing people in conversations and at the same time trying to give them subtle hints towards self improvement. Sometimes after I see those people have shifted one "stage" up However I truly feel at home with people talking about mystical experiences or the deeper nature of things, it feels very warm inside. For "stage green" people, I can still sense their fear and it's a bad vibe, it's contaminating. They tend to repeat all issues on the environment, our nutrition, health, etc. And if I bring up some possible solutions they wimp it off, their ego always has an excuse "it's symptom management", "it doesn't fix the problem", "it's not enough". Like I tell them if they wanna go from A to C they have to go through B first. Also it's hard to make them truly realize often problems are connected, they are like a basket on can fill. They are like this problem, this solution, solved. But often their solutions are impractical, nonetheless they are constantly confirming pragmatism is important when I saying that. If I tell them we're living in Plato's cave an all thoughts are false. They say, but this suffering is real. If I tell them the suffering is a very precious gift we give ourselves and how it forces us consciousness to expand, they seem to avoid this topic. They often tell: I have only one life and they seem perplexed when I tell them that's a delusion of their ego which seemingly separates their bodymind consciousness from what they observe. If I talk about spiral dynamics, once you go into tier red, they start saying, it's all wrong, same for blue and orange. When you reach green, they start giving a whole preach of how this is how it's meant to be. What often does help is pointing to mystical experiences. All this ego resistance is interesting though, but it makes my realize my yellow integration is still fragile. Is it even there? Or is it just my ego jerking of? I've always had a huge gap between my emotional being and cognitive being though. I was one of the first kids to tell everyone Santa Claus is not real. But I still was instinctively fearful for "monster" till I was 18 or so, especially at night. Nonetheless I knew very well such things don't exist. "stage red" friends pulled me out of this, but it made me horribly narcissistic for several years. Even though I was following "green ideas", I was very active within the climate movement. Nonetheless I went to demonstrations with signs like: ride my ass, not a car. Going there with a jockstrap, choker and a crop top. I enjoyed how people wanted to take pictures of me. This narcissism gradually went way when I converted to Christianity. Then the dogma went away when I experienced ego dissolution for a week due to a diet change (no gluten, no MSG, no casein, low histamine, fatty fish, zinc supplementation). Like I actually realized what we call "God" was and that it cannot be worded. In the sense that I felt like being the whole universe. Also I became this super fluent superconductor. All the stuttering of my speech went away. Even my sexual orientation shifted: I now feel more attracted towards women. Also my gender dysphoria I experienced is gone for most of the time. I've heard similar stories about a friend of my roommate, sadly he has become quite trans-phobic. Well what is is meant to be, but I try not to fall into this trap. Even now, when I sit in room I still often have experiences of being as much the room as the person sitting in the room. Recently I've been through some rough waters (including the emergence of electrosensitivity), so the mystical experiences faded quite a bit. The stuttering in my speech came back, suffering came back, far came back, etc.