Kuba Powiertowski

Ok, I need to stop here. Got strange time recently, need to chill out. I feel that instead of being open, I am trying to impose my point of view... Anyway, Peace, Brother?

This year's Nobel Prize in Physics is about Bell's Inequality. Briefly, nothing exists outside of consciousness. There is no external existence. The universe we experience is only locally real. to the frame of reference that we are, also created or imagined by consciousness. But there is nothing there about any absolute lack of existence! On the contrary - existence IS REAL. Locally, relatively but REAL.

But it is possible do unimagine being human to the such a degree, that you stop eating and drinking for good and you can play with your body by jumping in and out of it. You literally overcome being human in common sense. Can you do it? That's something practical at least... But this needs years and years of practice, total devotion born out of need to unimagine being human once for good. I sincerely wish you that. And myself as well?

There is one more issue with the power of god's imagination. It Is not so easy to unimagine it all. And by direct experience of being human anybody can feel its true power. Reality as real as God can imagine.

@Razard86 I don't need to pretend to have life. I am life.

@Razard86 you highly underestimate power of your imagination? - God imagination to be precise. Anyway, I still don't know why it is so important for you to strip this imaginary universe of an aura of mystery that can be explore in some many ways. You may simply don't like math or physics, that's ok. But in end you need to walk some distance to your toilet to piss and because of gravity your urine droplets do not float around you. Do I miss something??

Sometimes if you drive too fast, fly too high, dive too deep only a crash can wake you up. An alien crash in this case. But this is not that simple... God realization (or alien god realization) entails god responsibility to itself... this is something no god can escape.

Do you know that you cannot lie in mathematics? It's really the most beautyful language fot me...

@Razard86 infinity welcomes everything. Mathematics is included??. Maybe you still need awaken to that???

@Razard86 First of all, you can post here and enjoy your comfy western life because humanity have discovered and is discovering laws of Nature of this particular 3-dimensional space + time manifestation in which you, as infinite consciousness, incarnates into the imagined experience of being human in imagined 3D space + time. Is this so hard to understand? This imagined manifestation has its imagined, but very precise laws and encoded description of its nature. Which btw points towards something much, much bigger than you, as a human, can even imagine. This is all for your enjoyment, for sake of thrill of exploration. Where do you find a problem, if may I ask?

It is all connected to one's degree of understanding of what Infinity is. There's common human mind understanding of solipsism which is directly related to comprehending Infinity. And there is a view from so-called Absolute perspective... Both: Infinty and Absolute are very mysterious words that point towards even greater mystery. I'll try to prepare more claryfied, personal view on this subject, because it seems extremely crucial for me. Yet it's extremely elusive.

It may sound like an ass-licking, but I genuinely feel that he has really got there... I assume this is very hazardous stuff for human-mind construction. I am very interested in how he will communicate this stuff... Is it even possible? Fucking hell, we'll see!

Keep calm and think of Infinity. Experience Infinity. Feel Infinity. Try to do some calculations on infinities - it's mind-blowing stuff:) Infinite EVERYTHING is not the same as human conceptual EVERYTHING. Crazy Leo - Nardo has got somewhere, probably out of human' EVERYTHING. Brave man. Sometimes irritating, but brave, anyway:)

Maybe The Truth is as simple as It can be: One Infinite Omniscient Unconditional Love creates or incarnates in Everything that can exist, allows it all to evolve, to look for mistakes; in short, it gives it the freedom to be whatever it all wants to be, imagine to be, and that is it. It is all safe. You are safe, you always are, and you can come back anytime you want. Too simple for the mind to be true.

@Inliytened1 Maybe that is the main issue here. This forum is created by one human egoic mind - brilliant mind, to be honest - for others' egoic minds for typical egoic mind activity - under cover of the quest for the ultimate truth - compare itself, judge others, appropriate concepts and ideas about so-called enlightenment or awakening. But I think it's not bad at all. This forum is, by far, the best mirror that reflects our ideological, philosophical, and emotional attachments about how reality should look like, what it should be, and how God should fit into our conceptual set. It also mirrors our most profound existential questions. When we peel off this egoic layer, or at least we are aware of it, what lies underneath has a tremendous cognitive value. When Einstein told Bohr that God did not play dice, Bohr consciously replied to him: do not tell God what to play. Here we can clash our different concepts about our experiences, which can reach the most distant alien realms that is hard for human to imagine. Nobody is less or more enlightened, or I don't consider myself or anybody here to judge this stuff - on what basis? From my experience, I know that surrendering one's ego is not an easy and short process. It keeps fighting back, you all know that. I would say it takes many lifetimes, you disagree with the idea of reincarnation, and here we go - ego is safe, and that is its purpose, isn't it?

@Razard86 It's hard for your colleague to be surprised. Most of you, if not all of you on this formula, are very intelligent people, often experienced by life as well. But what I say now will not be pleasant, nor will it be about spiritual growth. In many, many statements on this forum, there are statements, statements so absurd, illogical, and inconsistent that if God were to imagine this universe - it would blow itself up at once - due to the lack of internal consistency and logic. I am not saying that there are no universes that operate on some alien logic (perhaps n-dimensional space manifests in n-ways) or that exist based on no logic (as a little human, it is hard to imagine it yourself). Nevertheless, this manifestation in which you experience being human is marked by logic and consistency. We have so far discovered 42 physical constants. I'm not talking about the theories we build from them. They evolve. But physical constants don't evolve. If any of them evolved over time so that their value changed to 33 decimal places, that familiar manifestation of the universe collapses into a cu**. Change the charge of the electron, the proton's mass, or the matter's density. These physical constants enable any evolution of this known universe, including the evolution of life as we know it. And there are absurd statements here that mathematics is imagination. I can counter the claim that such a statement is rubbish taken out of a hat. Experiencing God and understanding God are two separate things. You can talk about the Absolute - you can try to conceptualize it linguistically for the purpose of communication - if you have made a minimal effort to reflect on what the Infinity is. Most of you here talk about Infinity with absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Because it is not easy to talk about Infinite using finite language. There is only one, a universal language that is truly infinite. And it's as logical as young can imagine. And this is mathematics. Much of the speech here is marked by emotional exaltation, which often ends the entire debate. Who is not as high, is out. In this way, a circle of mutual adoration of people inspired by the vision of being God, Super Alien God, or whatever you come up with is created. Like you don't realize that Infinity has infinite space for every experience, every manifestation. And it will never stop. You will never HAVE a full God realization because such a thing does not exist. There will be always something more to explore. But this is not the case in the first place I suppose. For most people here, at least. Sat Nam

Otherwise, I may think, that the title of this thread is actually correct. With a note - your enlightenment is bullshit. Mental self-masturbation as you say. And nothing more.

Is there any chance that someday I will see some of you as divine realization turns into simply being a god? In this life, of course. I mean, will I directly experience unconditional love, empathy, and understanding from either of you radiating in my unenlightened direction? Even if it is love in its lower form, I would like to experience it directly. I am not joking. On the contrary, forgive me if anything, my unenlightened naivety.

@Thought Art Whoa, you just discovered America, Mr. Columbus ... Yes, if you have to go around the roundabout 1000 times to understand that you are driving in a circle, each subsequent lap brings you closer to that. Relax, I'm actually writing this to myself

This discussion will go on forever. But that is the idea of any forum. To share experiences and so on. And it's good. I don't know any other worldwide space for expressing such different views on spiritual development, politics, and many more. That is very good, indeed. You are the host, we are the guests, and you set up some rules for participants. That is the usual stuff, and what can I say more? Thank you. And that is it. This debate will never end since different, even the same, experiences are filtered through different minds (to not overuse the ego word). This will always be different. But when you go beyond the mind, the core is the same. And isn't it all about?

There are so-called 'inner engineering technologies" like Kriya Yoga, i.e., that give you tools that make it possible. But first, you must detach yourself from the assumption that the only useful tools are psychedelics.

That is why the distinction between "the experience" and "experience filtered by ego-mind" is essential.

From 29.00 min till the end..

To say it more straightforward: it is way easier for an ego to hang on to "omniscient, omnipotent God-realization" than implement Love-realization, which is nothing more, but the ego's death

Direct experience - a sacred phrase, a magic key. Are you sure? Experience is one thing. And then what the mind will do with it is the latter. In its nature, experience is changeable, like all existence, which can only be known by direct experience! The problem with the human mind is that he tries to freeze (to quote Sri M) those experiences that made him feel good, unique, and even divine. Observation, observation, and one more observation of one's mind. How does it function? How does it play? How it creates, paint, and guide the narrative to make you feel fabulous and divine? Observing my mind, I keep reality constantly bending to suit my assumptions, beliefs, and convictions. Most come from direct experience. But what of it? Did I understand what I experienced holistically and comprehensively without prejudices or assumptions? Is the most profound reflection that I can, e.g., on the subject of infinity, an experience? I think so. Everything is. Direct experience is the only way we get to know. Can I say I have full knowledge of any topic, or do I know 100% about someone or something? I leave these questions open to you. I have gotten to the point where I know deep within myself that the so-called death of my physical-material body is not the end - not even me because I don't know what. I also don't know what will happen next. I don't know if anybody knows this. Honestly, hand on heart. Even the mega-advanced monks and bodhisattva yogis. Am I afraid of what will happen? Of unknown? Of unexpected? Indeed, still, yes. However, I recognize the illusion of fear more and more. One more important thing: Sri M talks about four principles - reduced from perhaps 28 - for western Kriya Yoga practitioners: 1. Practice daily, 2. Try to remain faithful to the Truth - hard to do. 3. Try not to hurt any living creatures, including people - regarding the case of a vegetarian, Adolf Hitler 4. Try not to eat meat. But if you are a vegetarian/vegan and someone close to you or a stranger has prepared an excellent meal containing meat out of the heart's need, then eat this meal. Out of respect for the gift of someone's heart, someone's work. No matter how venerable, your assumptions and agenda cannot stand above the gift of someone's heart. Of course, you can pointlessly stick here, giving some nonsense examples. The point is that even as you sincerely feel you are God and everything is an illusion, you do not have to write or say publicly that, for example, Christ did not exist and Buddha was not enlightened or that someone else's parents did not exist. For someone suffering, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, or Manitou can be a refuge, a source of hope, just like someone's mom or dad, with whom being around gives a lot of joy and not much time has left together. That is love and compassion in action, not only in enlightened statements and speeches. Please think about it. As well as what you can be 100% sure of, except that you are. P.S. what about Love - Realization instead of God - Realization? It's the same.